This is quite possibly the biggest pile of bull$hite I have ever had the misfortune to read on this site. Your comments criticising Lady GaGa are so ludicrous it is laughable.

 

For crying out loud why do you think the likes of David Bowie; Radiohead; Depeche Mode; Duran Duran; The Cure; The Killers & Pet Shop Boys have praised her?

 

An artist whom writes & records their own compositions as well as having a very strong visual concept of their own image which is what Lady GaGa is; will always be superior to a manufactured popstar like Cheryl Cole's band.

 

The very fact that Girls Aloud have sold close to zero amount of records outside of Britain & Ireland should tell you something. I.E. They are not exactly original or groundbreaking because most other nations have their own equivalent manufactured version of Girls Aloud.

 

Give me British girlgroups like Client (whom are unknown in the UK; but sell significant amount of records in Scandinavia; Germany & Eastern Europe) or The Pipettes (whose first album did rather well in the USA) to Girls Aloud because at least their music is original as they had input in to it instead of the 5 mannequins with only two good singers (Nadine & Nicola) in the group.

 

As for Cheryl; the minute she came out with the claim that Girls Aloud were better than The Spice Girls ever were; then that was it. I never liked her before as she came across badly in the Channel 4 documentary compared to other members of the band. But hey her PR is done by Max Clifford. He also does the PR for Simon Cowell; Louis Walsh ... but not Dannii Minogue. So as Max Clifford has just made a former racist appear to be a Saint Chav Diana then it is hardly a stretch to make Cheryl Cole look good.

 

Funny, I can't remember Girls Aloud releasing a debut single that topped the charts in over 30 countries including the USA & Japan becoming the 11th biggest selling single of all time in the World & the fastest selling debut single ever. Or releasing an album that topped the charts in 38 countries selling in excess of 25 million copies.

 

But then again The Spice Girls were the first girlgroup in the history of pop music to become the biggest act in the world as they were for a good 18 months. All the while they co-wrote their own material whilst having a large degree of control over their marketing and image.

This keeps getting more and more off topic. Since when was the Spice Girls and Global chart success something to do with this topic? You can spin off someones point of view to make it look like BS, but on topic it isn't. So GaGa is praised by those 'credible' acts, for exactly what, her songwriting and how her production in her songs came out? Don't get me wrong I love GaGa, but she isn't the most talented musician of all time or in the same league as Amy Lee or Sharon den Adel. It's more hype than praise of talent. And she has only 4 good songs off her album which has clearly been overshadowed by the global success of those songs, I barely could find the album having reviews of even 8/10 or above on the net, based on that she may have 4 or 5 masterpiece singles but a masterpiece album no way, the hype and praise is surrounded more around those few songs and her image than her album and talent as a whole IMHO. GA haven't released anywhere but Aus outside the UK and Ireland, and they released Chemistry their 3rd and worst album there which was bound for disaster and indeed happened. If they went globally at the beginning of the SOTU era I'm sure they would equal or better a girl group like PCDs global success but obviously not the Spice Girls, I would admitt that. And I do admitt, musically and talentwise GA have it to a certain extent but like you said aren't groundbreaking, imo not that groundbreaking enough to be ranked among the ledges of the music industry. But my point was there is a lot more to GA and Cheryl that the slaggers will obviously refuse to accept or recognize and they do have talent and have major fan bases even outside the UK where they havent even released, I mean go to their official forum, even China, Colombia etc are GA-mad, and me, from SA. So they do certainly have the appeal, and I don't love GA just because I wanna jump on the band-wagon, but I admire and respect the girls and imo their music IS groundbreaking, and with my standards that does say quite a bit.

Edited March 23, 200916 yr by Kath Aloud

a former racist

 

That comment sums it up all really, you are hating her with such a passion that you're making yourself guilty of personal (and really serious) attacks, which have been proved to be fake allegations by the way.

She has been cleared of the racist charge without any possible doubt left, how many times does it has to be repeated?

I think you are a small guy, you should know it's quite pathetic to play the "racist" card against someone who's obviously not one, especially after she's been claimed innocent by the court and married a "coloured" man (sorry if the adjective is not appropriate, I don't know if it sounds pejorative in English).

 

I mean, ok, fair enough, some people don't like her, but I wish they would refrain to vomit their hate for her on the forum on every single opportunity they get to slag her off.

It can really quite hurt the people who - like me - love her and see her as a great role model and an extraordinory woman :wub:

Edited March 23, 200916 yr by Xmas_Bert

That comment sums it up all really, you are hating her with such a passion that you're making yourself guilty of personal (and really serious) attacks, which have been proved to be fake allegations by the way.

She has been cleared of the racist charge without any possible doubt left, how many times does it has to be repeated?

I think you are a small guy, you should know it's quite pathetic to play the "racist" card against someone who's obviously not one, especially after she's been claimed innocent by the court and married a "coloured" man (sorry if the adjective is not appropriate, I don't know if it sounds pejorative in English).

 

I mean, ok, fair enough, some people don't like her, but I wish they would refrain to vomit their hate for her on the forum on every single opportunity they get to slag her off.

It can really quite hurt the people who - like me - love her and see her as a great role model and an extraordinory woman :wub:

 

What the F.....

 

I was clearly talking about Max Clifford's fellow high profile client Jade Goody. :rolleyes:

 

In fact I am incredibly offended by you accusing me of playing the racist card. How dare you. :arrr:

 

All do you think Jade Goody was not racist when she called Shilpa Shetty 'Shilpa f***awallah', 'Shilpa Daroopa' and 'Shilpa Papadum'. When over 46,500 people complained to Ofcom and it resulted with a diplomatic incident with the Indian Government.

What the F.....

 

I was clearly talking about Max Clifford's fellow high profile client Jade Goody. :rolleyes:

 

In fact I am incredibly offended by you accusing me of playing the racist card. How dare you. :arrr:

 

All do you think Jade Goody was not racist when she called Shilpa Shetty 'Shilpa f***awallah', 'Shilpa Daroopa' and 'Shilpa Papadum'. When over 46,500 people complained to Ofcom and it resulted with a diplomatic incident with the Indian Government.

 

TIP you shouldn't have edited this post :lol:

What the F.....

 

I was clearly talking about Max Clifford's fellow high profile client Jade Goody. :rolleyes:

 

In fact I am incredibly offended by you accusing me of playing the racist card. How dare you. :arrr:

 

All do you think Jade Goody was not racist when she called Shilpa Shetty 'Shilpa f***awallah', 'Shilpa Daroopa' and 'Shilpa Papadum'. When over 46,500 people complained to Ofcom and it resulted with a diplomatic incident with the Indian Government.

 

I thought you were talking about Cheryl, it was quite hard for me to follow your argumentation to be honest... :wacko:

Oh dear, you biased Sugababesloon. :lol: I think that was pretty spun-off tbh. Keisha, talented, puh-leease. She barely can hit a high note without not making people binge and if they're so talented what made them bring out one of the vilest albums of last year (and even the most generous of critics and their own fans agree). Catfights and Spotlights was a complete f***-up tbh, and the major flop of the album and 2nd single manifests, even for an established act, you can make success of a $h!t/average record which not even they, a popular and LOCAL uk GIRL GROUP could do. I think that's more than enough to prove how talented they really are to bring out something like they did, Mutya Buena made SB and she HAD talent but since she's left, she left the Babes with nothing and the other girls AND that Keisha creature could only come up with C&S after how many months in studio?.. after hearing 'Girls' I couldn't help but LOL at how downhill they've become. Now, Phily Wilz, after everything I just said, and you know very well it's true, just admitt your precious girls aren't that 'talented' especially in comparison to GA, who've proved enough and their consistancy shows enough to substantiate this. So really, starting another Cheryl GA slag over another Sugas boast really isn't needed again. I honestly feel sorry for the GA fans on this forum who constantly have to defend GA against these slaggers who seem to crave our reactions. Then people having the nerve to call us lunatics - is pretty LOL considering how many people on this forum, you could say are 'GA slagloons' ..

I could shred this post to pieces in about 30seconds.

 

But, for the sake of the thread staying open i won't bother.

 

But i will say, maybe it's time you and bertie took your heads out of Cheryls arse and come back to the real world

 

I thought you were talking about Cheryl, it was quite hard for me to follow your argumentation to be honest... :wacko:

:huh:

 

given that the full sentance reads

 

So as Max Clifford has just made a former racist appear to be a Saint Chav Diana then it is hardly a stretch to make Cheryl Cole look good.

 

it should be pretty easy to follow given TiP's condemnation of Jade Goody on this forum and the Chav Diana label being used for quite some time now.

Keisha, talented, puh-leease. She barely can hit a high note without not making people binge.

See; the woman is a saint! All she is to do is adlib and suddenly anaerexia is cured! Bow down!

See; the woman is a saint! All she is to do is adlib and suddenly anaerexia is cured! Bow down!

*bows down*

 

The almighty K has added anaerexia to her list :o whats next? Global domination?

But i will say, maybe it's time you and bertie took your heads out of Cheryls arse and come back to the real world

 

What's the problem with me loving Cheryl? Yes, I do love her, and I'm not ashamed of.

We all love different people on here, that shouldn't be a problem... I respect your love for other artists, and I think all we are asking is the same thing. We understand people are free not to like her, but it would be cool if they could show less constant "hate" toward her, when it's not really needed and can only excite conflicts.

I remember when I was sometimes harsh on the Sugababes, some people said to shut up ("if you don't like them, then don't post about them") and that hate was just an obvious sign of "jealousy". So it's now funny to see them showing hate toward Cheryl...

It's never worth arguing with Girls Aloud fans though is it really? They're so stubborn and will never accept that anything about them is bad or anyone is superior to them. It's just not worth the effort AT ALL. In their own little deluded world, they're always right.

 

I do honestly think Girls Aloud fans are the worst fans ever to be honest :/. There's just no other fans that even come close.

 

Anyway sorry to go off topic there. :P

*sits back and awaits the abuse from GA fans*

 

i totally agree likes

 

Hell i ain't no angel, but there is no smoke without fire.

Well, think what you want, Scott but it's obvious a person like yourself who is pretty much against the majority of pop acts will slag GA and Cheryl, and in pop literally everything comes with the 'manufactured' tag, I fail to see GaGa not being 'manufactured' she literaly worked with the best producers and got so much hype surrounding her that she's now got 2 consecutive no.1's on her first two singles, she can BARELY sing well except for one or two off the Cherrytree sessions. She so hyped about that she barely has to work or do any promo, everything literally falls into her lap and songwriting and image alone makes her talented?, her songs are epic as I've always said and eventually convinced you to go against what you usually stand for, and listen to her. GaGa is talented in few ways and manufactured in more. How you havent picked this up, I dont know.

YES, GA are obviously a manufactured act, and I completely agree with every point Bertie's intelligently made. But there is a lot of true personality, true role models, hard work and plenty talent behind GA than just labelling them as manufactured. Cheryl and the girls work their freakin asses off, day in and day out, whether it'd be perfecting a song for a day with only 2 hours sleep, to climbing Kilimanjaro for charity, or spending a week on filming an underwater video where they have to be facedown in the deep end of an aquarium miming words, how many musicians would be able to live a lifestyle like that, not many. Amy Lee and Sharon are hardly as hard working and occupied and dedicated to the industry as GA, yes they've got vocals, and some degree of songwriting and piano talent but that's about it. I'd say you know a bit too little about GA, you don't even know cheryl personally so how can you judge her as fake. Every girl in GA IS a role model to literally every girl out there, they do $h!t loads to get what they earn and hardly ever put a foot wrong even with the paparazzi's all over them, compare that to Miley Cyrus, Amy Winehouse or Lily Allen. They are ABSOLUTELY role models to other girls, and especially to me, so I am living evidence to that, where you had no substantiation to that point..

On the talent side, do you think an average girl or even yourself would be able to work like GA do, perfect like GA do, be able to perform like GA do, have an image like GA do and be in the studio working hand in hand vocally like GA do. I sure as hell don't think so. So yes, GA are manufactured. But you can't compare Amy and Sharon with GaGa or GA, they're all from completely different corners and aspects of the music industry. And GA are absolutely role models, and have $h!t loads of work ethic and talent than probably 3.9/4 of the world and half the music industry.

 

Jesus, I'd really like to know who brainwashed you Kath..... GA are an average Pop Group, AT BEST..... Richard is 100% spot on, they don't even come close to having the talent or artistic vision of Lady GaGa... Or indeed any of the extremely hard working ladies in Rock/Metal, when the likes of Evanescence and WT DO come out with albums, they tour constantly to promote them, YOU SEEM TO HAVE FORGOTTEN THAT SIMPLE FACT..... Frankly, I'd rather listen to someone like Kelly Clarkson than the Chavs Aloud.....

 

You dont know Cheryl Cole either Kath, so how can YOU judge her as being "4-real" is my question to you... Okay, she gets credit for the Kilimanjaro thing, but that's merely secondary, what the hell does it have to do with her music....? You say that Cole is "dedicated to the Industry", yeah, great, the Industry sure, she's great at getting publicity for herself, but the actual songwriting art????? Gimme a break. Slightly more important I would say.... Lady GaGa manages to combine both effortlessly, she plays the PR game, but actually knows how to write good songs, and not just for herself. LG is very much her own creation, much like David Bowie creating the mythology of Ziggy Stardust/Alladin Sane or Brian Warner creating the mythology of Marilyn Manson/Omega/Adam. Girls Aloud are simply NOT anything like on this level....

 

As for your comment about Amy Lee... What, "just" the piano...?? Well, put it this way, it's at least one more musical instrument than La Cole can play..... :rolleyes:

 

And, tell me again, who it was who sold almost 15 million copies with their debut album.... Was it Cheryl Cole or Amy Lee....? :rolleyes:

Give me British girlgroups like Client (whom are unknown in the UK; but sell significant amount of records in Scandinavia; Germany & Eastern Europe) or The Pipettes (whose first album did rather well in the USA) to Girls Aloud because at least their music is original as they had input in to it instead of the 5 mannequins with only two good singers (Nadine & Nicola) in the group.

 

Funny you should mention Client, I'm going to see them tomorrow night.... And their new album "Command" is pretty excellent by the way..... I'd certainly recommend it as essential listening to the Saturdays/GA obsessives as an example of a Girl band with serious talent.....

 

imo their music IS groundbreaking, and with my standards that does say quite a bit.

 

"Sound of the Underground Miranda Cooper, Brian Higgins, Niara Scarlett, Xenomania Xenomania 3:41

2. "No Good Advice" Cooper, Higgins, Nick Coler, Lisa Cowling, Lene Nystrøm Xenomania 3:48

3. "Some Kind of Miracle" Cooper, Higgins, Cowling, Tim Powell, Shawn Lee, Edele Lynch Xenomania, Jeremey Wheatley 3:09

4. "All I Need (All I Don't)" Ava Knox, Chris Peters, Drew Peters Peters & Peters 3:38

5. "Life Got Cold" Cooper, Higgins, Coler, Cowling, Noel Gallagher Xenomania 3:57

6. "Mars Attack" Alison Clarkson, Paul Carter, Amanda Glanfield Betty Boo and the Beatmasters 3:28

7. "Stop" Cooper, Higgins, Matt Gray, Xenomania Xenomania 3:35

8. "Girls Allowed" Brian McFadden, J. Shorten Graham Stack 3:26

9. "Forever and a Night" Gary Miller, Mark Muller, Andy Goldmark Gary Miller, Brian Rawling 3:17

10. "Love/Hate" Higgins, Scarlett, Eve Bicker, Xenomania Xenomania 4:40

11. "Boogie Down Love" Clarkson, Carter, Glanfield Betty Boo and the Beatmasters 3:22

12. "Don't Want You Back" Anders Bagge, Michelle Bell, Arnthor Birgisson Arnthor & BAG 3:19

13. "White Lies" Tim Kellett, Sandria Nordstrom Tim Kellett 3:06

14. "Love Bomb" (UK bonus track) Clarkson, M. Ward, S. Ward Betty Boo and the Beatmasters 2:55

15. "Everything You Ever Wanted" (UK bonus track) Steve Anderson, S. Lee, L. Greene Steve Anderson 2:53

 

The Show" Miranda Cooper, Brian Higgins, Tim Powell, Lisa Cowling, Jon Shave 3:36

2. "Love Machine" Cooper, Higgins, Powell, Cowling, Nick Coler, Myra Boyle, Shawn Lee 3:25

3. "I'll Stand By You" Chrissie Hynde, Tom Kelly, Billy Steinberg 3:43

4. "Jump" Steve Mitchell, Marti Sharron, Gary Skardina 3:39

5. "Wake Me Up" Cooper, Higgins, Powell, Cowling, Lee, Paul Woods, Yusra Maru'e 3:27

6. "Deadlines & Diets" Cooper, Higgins, Matt Gray 3:57

7. "Big Brother" Girls Aloud, Cooper, Higgins, Cowling, Tim "Rolf" Larcombe 4:13

8. "Hear Me Out" Girls Aloud, Cooper, Higgins, Powell, Cowling 3:47

9. "Graffiti My Soul" Cooper, Higgins, Powell, Cowling, Peplab 3:14

10. "Real Life" Cooper, Higgins, Cowling, Larcombe 3:41

11. "Here We Go" Cooper, Higgins, Gray 3:22

12. "Thank Me Daddy" Girls Aloud, Cooper, Higgins, Powell, Cowling, Woods, Larcombe 3:21

13. "I Say a Prayer for You" Girls Aloud, Cooper, Higgins, Powell, Cowling 3:06

14. "100 Different Ways" Girls Aloud, Cooper, Higgins, Coler, Cowling

 

. "Intro" Xenomania 0:42

2. "Models" Miranda Cooper, Brian Higgins, Tim Powell, Nick Coler, Lisa Cowling, Myra Boyle 3:28

3. "Biology" Cooper, Higgins, Powell, Cowling, Giselle Sommerville 3:35

4. "Wild Horses" Cooper, Higgins, Coler, Cowling, Boyle, Shawn Lee 3:23

5. "See the Day" Dee C. Lee 4:04

6. "Watch Me Go" Cooper, Higgins, Powell, Cowling, Lee, JC Chasez 4:05

7. "Waiting" Cooper, Higgins, Cowling, Lee, Paul Woods, Tim "Rolf" Larcombe 4:13

8. "Whole Lotta History" Cooper, Higgins, Cowling, Sommervile, Larcombe, Xenomania 3:47

9. "Long Hot Summer" Cooper, Higgins, Sommerville, Boyle, Lee, Larcombe 3:52

10. "Swinging London Town" Cooper, Higgins, Powell, Matt Gray 4:02

11. "It's Magic" Girls Aloud, Cooper, Higgins, Powell 3:22

12. "No Regrets" Cooper, Higgins, Gray 3:21

13. "Racey Lacey" Cooper

 

1. "Call the Shots" Miranda Cooper, Brian Higgins, Jason Tim Powell, Giselle Sommerville, Lisa Cowling 3:45

2. "Close to Love" Cooper, Higgins, Powell, Cowling, Nick Coler, Jody Lei 3:53

3. "Sexy! No No No... " Girls Aloud, Xenomania, Nazareth 3:18

4. "Girl Overboard" Cooper, Higgins, Powell, Coler, Lei 4:11

5. "Can't Speak French" Cooper, Higgins, Powell, Coler, Lei, Carla Marie Williams 4:04

6. "Black Jacks" Cooper, Higgins, Powell, Coler, Cowling 4:20

7. "Control of the Knife" Cooper, Higgins, Sommerville, Jon Shave 3:51

8. "Fling" Cooper, Higgins, Powell, Coler, Williams, Moguai 4:13

9. "What You Crying For" Cooper, Higgins, Cowling, Tim "Rolf" Larcombe, Myra Boyle 3:44

10. "I'm Falling" Cooper, Higgins, Powell, Yusra Maru'e, Niara Scarlett 4:01

11. "Damn" Cooper, Higgins, Powell, Coler, Cowling 3:46

12. "Crocodile Tears" Girls Aloud, Cooper, Higgins, Powell, Coler, Sommerville, Larcombe 4:18

 

1. "The Promise" Miranda Cooper, Brian Higgins, Jason Resch, Kieran Jones, Carla Marie Williams 4:03

2. "The Loving Kind" Cooper, Higgins, Tim Powell, Neil Tennant, Chris Lowe 3:54

3. "Rolling Back the Rivers in Time" Cooper, Higgins, Williams, Powell 4:29

4. "Love Is the Key" Girls Aloud, Cooper, Higgins, Powell 4:17

5. "Turn to Stone" Cooper, Higgins, Powell, Matt Gray, Stuart McIennan, Sascha Collison 4:25

6. "Untouchable" Cooper, Higgins, Powell, Gray 6:42

7. "Fix Me Up" Cooper, Higgins, Resch, Jones, Williams, Powell 4:26

8. "Love Is Pain" Cooper, Higgins, Williams 3:32

9. "Miss You Bow Wow" Girls Aloud, Cooper, Higgins, Powell, Lisa Cowling, Owen Parker, Toby Scott, Myra Boyle 4:11

10. "Revolution in the Head" Girls Aloud, Cooper, Higgins, Williams, Powell, Parker 4:31

11. "Live in the Country" Girls Aloud, Cooper, Higgins, Powell, Gray, Niara Scarlett 4:27

12. "We Wanna Party" Cooper, Higgins, Cowling, Nick Coler, Powell, Lene Nystrøm

 

 

AHEM.... er, their music, Kath....????? Reading these lists of songwriter credits, it's pretty damn obvious to me that their involvement in "their" music is pretty damned minimal...... Whereas the team of Xenomania crops up again, and again.. and again........ GA are the mastheads, the actual people steering the ship are their producers without a doubt.....

 

Now, let's compare to The Fame shall we....?

 

1. "Just Dance (featuring Colby O'Donis & Akon)" Lady Gaga, RedOne, Aliaune "Akon" Thiam 4:04

2. "LoveGame" Lady Gaga, RedOne 3:33

3. "Paparazzi" Lady Gaga, Rob Fusari, V Korh 3:30

4. "Beautiful, Dirty, Rich" Lady Gaga, Rob Fusari 2:54

5. "Eh, Eh (Nothing Else I Can Say)" Lady Gaga, Martin Kierszenbaum 2:56

6. "Poker Face" Lady Gaga, RedOne 3:59

7. "The Fame" Lady Gaga, Martin Kierszenbaum 3:44

8. "Money Honey" Lady Gaga, RedOne, Bilal Hajji 3:08

9. "Again Again" Lady Gaga, Rob Fusari 3:08

10. "Boys Boys Boys" Lady Gaga, RedOne, 3:22

11. "Brown Eyes" Lady Gaga, Rob Fusari 4:05

12. "Summerboy" Lady Gaga, Brian Keirulf and Joshua M. Schwartz for KNS productions

 

OH, look, Lady GaGa's name on EVERY SONG...... :rolleyes: I think that's the evidence of a far more collaborative relationship between GaGa and her producers, rather than her just turning up and being handed a "script"....

 

Also unless I'm mistaken, GaGa wrote all the album's song on her own. The other writing credits are just for changing melodies, production values etc

 

I thought you weren't keen on GaGa at all Scott :o

LOL did I read right? Did someone actually say Girls Aloud's music was groundbreaking?! :rofl: :rofl:

AHEM.... er, their music, Kath....????? Reading these lists of songwriter credits, it's pretty damn obvious to me that their involvement in "their" music is pretty damned minimal...... Whereas the team of Xenomania crops up again, and again.. and again........ GA are the mastheads, the actual people steering the ship are their producers without a doubt.....

Oh exactly, Girls Aloud are only as 'ground breaking' as Xenomania make them and that would be 'not very'. The album version of their newest single, "Untouchable" is possibly the only song of theirs that I wouldn't class as typical of any girl group. They have a few songs that are slightly different ("Biology" doesn't get to the chorus until almost 2 minutes in, I believe?) but it's not a dinstinctly Girls Aloud sound. Xenomania have worked with a whole host of other artists such as Alesha Dixon, Sophie Ellis-Bextor, Gabriella Cilmi, Kylie Minogue and the Sugababes, so they aren't very unique.

 

I thought you weren't keen on GaGa at all Scott :o

He's a convert. :lol: I think he assumed she was a typical pop princess with no substance...until he listened to her album and read more about her.

i think i counted 12 album credits for GA.

 

 

 

 

 

:rofl:

 

That is pretty shocking for a band on album #5

Also unless I'm mistaken, GaGa wrote all the album's song on her own. The other writing credits are just for changing melodies, production values etc

 

I thought you weren't keen on GaGa at all Scott :o

 

I would imagine that LG had "rough" versions of all the songs already written (or maybe even rough demo versions like Evanescence had of their songs which made up their first album), aren't there acoustic versions of most of the tracks from "The Fame" somewhere out there in Netland..? In any case, it's obvious to me that she's very much responsible for the creation of her own image, music and mythology and it hasn't been manufactured for her by some Cowell, Waterman or Fuller type..... Nah, I've grown to think she's pretty cool tbh, okay, I dont like every track on the album, but there are at least NINE songs that I reckon are damn good with only a few that I can take or leave, she's def more towards the likes of Goldfrapp or Ladytron than the likes of GA; ironically it was actually Katherine who convinced me of her worth, but I just dunno what's happened to her tbh, I thought her to have really good judgement in musical matters, I mean, sure we disagreed on stuff like MCR, but God, even MCR are less fake than Girls Aloud.... :rolleyes: This sort of blind worship of Cheryl Cole and GA is kind of like some weird cult-style conversion almost, especially given her past hostility to such act as being "Plastics".....

 

My main objection was more to do with the AFs to be honest, I felt Metallica were more deserving of one given their actual career and longevity... I never really think that any artist should get an AF on the strength of just one or two No 1 singles or one album... We've got so many "dead" AFs because of acts being initially hyped only to fail to deliver anything long-term, or else, they're like Evanescence where the band are inactive for long periods due to personal things such as marriages (Amy got married a couple of years back) or having babies (I think the bass player's girlfriend gave birth and they had to cancel the UK leg of their tour...), or indeed band members coming and going, which kind of messes up any kind of cohesion and sets back the recording of any future material.....