Sorry, but in what way did he cheat? If going on a LONGER and DIRTIER peice of track were to be deemed as cheating then Formula 1 would not be worth watching any more...

Raikkonen won fair and square in my book, Fischella was pretty quick today, as he was all weekend.

Yeh no questions that Kimi's win was fair. He may not have had the fastest pace during the race but he overtook Fisi fair and square.

 

Good job by Fisi though, I hope he is 'appy despite not winning. I'm really interested in whether Ferrari will call on him for Monza, VJ will make sure Ferrari pay through their teeth for him and I don't think Ferrari will fancy letting Fisi go back to a quicker team with their data but it would be a better move than keeping that other random bloke in the car.

Sorry, but in what way did he cheat? If going on a LONGER and DIRTIER peice of track were to be deemed as cheating then Formula 1 would not be worth watching any more...

yes it might be dirtier and longer I agree. but the race track is a race track, and he could gain a lot by not making that corner and pass a lot of other drivers. What I saw he could have made that corner although he could have lost some places or just stayed where he was but by not making that corner he could accelerate faster and use the KERS immediately so having an advantage against those who could turn the corner.

 

OK I might be a bit harsh, because I don't like Raikkonen at all. :D

Good job by Fisi though, I hope he is 'appy despite not winning. I'm really interested in whether Ferrari will call on him for Monza, VJ will make sure Ferrari pay through their teeth for him and I don't think Ferrari will fancy letting Fisi go back to a quicker team with their data but it would be a better move than keeping that other random bloke in the car.

Badoer was really a bad choice. I'm sure for the next race someone else will drive the Ferrari (I'm guessing Massa still won't be ready)

yes it might be dirtier and longer I agree. but the race track is a race track, and he could gain a lot by not making that corner and pass a lot of other drivers. What I saw he could have made that corner although he could have lost some places or just stayed where he was but by not making that corner he could accelerate faster and use the KERS immediately so having an advantage against those who could turn the corner.

 

OK I might be a bit harsh, because I don't like Raikkonen at all. :D

Everyone else could've used the run-off area and some did. If it gives an advantage then it's only down to how sharp he is that he got one...

Everyone else could've used the run-off area and some did. If it gives an advantage then it's only down to how sharp he is that he got one...

If drivers get a penalty by cutting a curve (because that means an unfair advantage), I think by such moves (passing other drivers 'outside' the race track) could mean a penalty too because he earned an unfair advantage although he drove the longer road (if you know what I mean). But whatever I don't want to argue about that. :D

The difference is is that by cutting a chicane you're taking a shorter route, Kimi took a longer route so isn't gaining anything like as much from it. And it's not an unfair advantage if every driver can use this part of the circuit and every driver knows this.

 

I can't say I'm a massive fan of him either, but I'd miss anyone who gives us moments like this:

 

The difference is is that by cutting a chicane you're taking a shorter route, Kimi took a longer route so isn't gaining anything like as much from it. And it's not an unfair advantage if every driver can use this part of the circuit and every driver knows this.

If we speaking about shorter route you're completely right, but if we speaking about unfair advantages by using parts outside the race track, then it was unfair in my view.

 

I would say the race circuit is fixed everywhere and if everyone could use other parts of the circuit (that are actually there to avoid major crashes to the wall etc) then what's the sense to fix the race track

 

But anyway the Spa race could a bit indicate what could happen in Monza, because that'll be a fast race track too, although the weather circumstances and the temperature will be compeltely different. And if Ferrari wants to do really well, they should replace Badoer for their homerace imo.

Glad to see Ferrari finally win, an 11 race streak without a win must be their longest for a while :lol:

 

Really happy to see Force India score and I was doing some sums and if the championship had started in Britain then Button would be down in 9th :o Luckily for him, it didn't :kink:

 

Standings Britain - Belgium

 

01 Räikkönen 25

02 Webber 24

03 Vettel 24

04 Barichello 21

05 Rosberg 19

06 Hamilton 18

07 Kovelainen 13

08 Massa 11

09 Button 11

10 Fisichella 8

 

Still that's poor poor form for a potential champion.

Sunday, 30 August 2009 18:50 UK

F1 launches Singapore race probe

BBC Sport

 

Formula 1's governing body has launched an investigation into an unspecified previous race, reported to be last year's Singapore Grand Prix.

 

The FIA said only that it was said it was investigating "alleged incidents at a previous F1 event".

 

News agencies have said the race is last year's Singapore race won by Renault's Fernando Alonso following a crash by his team-mate Nelson Piquet.

 

The incident triggered a safety car which put Alonso into the lead.

 

Piquet, who attributed the crash to a simple error, was sacked by Renault after the Hungarian Grand Prix last month.

 

He has since been outspoken in his criticism of Renault team boss Flavio Briatore.

 

If the FIA discovers evidence of foul play, it would probably call a hearing of its world motorsport council to investigate the matter.

I think we now know why Fisichella made no attempt to overtake Raikkonen :lol:

 

Monday, 31 August 2009 09:54 UK

Fisichella closes on Ferrari move

BBC Sport

 

Giancarlo Fisichella is poised to make a temporary switch to Ferrari ahead of next month's Italian Grand Prix.

 

Confirmation of the Force India driver's move could come on Tuesday, a source close to Ferrari told BBC Sport.

 

Force India commercial director Ian Phillips told Radio 5 live on Monday: "We do expect a move will probably be made in the next 24 hours or so."

 

Fisichella would replace Luca Badoer, who has struggled as a replacement for the injured Felipe Massa.

 

Badoer, Ferrari's official reserve driver, was drafted in to replace the injured Felipe Massa after legendary seven-time F1 champion Michael Schumacher was forced to shelve his comeback plans.

 

Massa is recovering at home in Brazil after suffering a fractured skull in a crash during qualifying at the Hungarian Grand Prix in July.

The 28-year-old is targeting a return at the Brazilian Grand Prix on 18 October, but there is speculation that Massa will not be able to race until at least next season.

 

Ferrari are believed to have run out of patience with Badoer, who has qualified last at both of his races so far.

While Raikkonen won Sunday's race at Spa, Badoer trailed in last, nearly 48 seconds slower than the driver in front.

 

The Italian GP is on the 13 September, followed by Grands Prix in Singapore and Japan, before the teams head to Brazil.

 

Phillips added: "Nobody's asked us yet but I think it's pretty likely that somebody will make a phone call to (Force India team boss) Vijay Mallya over the next 24 hours or so asking if we would release him to Ferrari.

 

"I don't think they [Force India] have really got any options [but to release him].

"Ferrari being Ferrari, it's their home race at Monza, which is a place with a cauldron-like atmosphere, particularly for the Italians - seats will be thrown on the track if Ferrari aren't doing well.

"So they're going to have to put sombody in there who can basically run around with Raikkonen at the front of the field."

 

Ferrari team principal Stefano Domenicali said on Sunday: "With regard with what we are going to do for the next races we will tell you in the next three days.

"We are going to take all into consideration. It depends how the medical check-up that Felipe will do tomorrow (goes) and then we will put on the table all the different things. And then we will make a decision."

 

Fisichella told BBC Sport at the Belgian Grand Prix that it would be a "dream" to drive for Ferrari, but did not confirm that he had been approached.

 

The 36-year-old Italian's manager, Enrico Zanarini, told BBC Sport on Sunday that Ferrari had not been in contact.

"Nobody's been in touch," Zanarini said. "We find ourselves in a fantastic team with a great car for Monza because if the car is quick here it will be quick in Monza."

 

If he does move to Ferrari, Fisichella would drive only as a replacement for Massa - double world champion Fernando Alonso will switch to the team for 2010, although the Spaniard's move has not yet been confirmed.

 

Fisichella's contract with Force India runs out at the end of the 2009 season.

 

Force India would likely promote their reserve driver Vitantonio Liuzzi if Fisichella moved on.

Sunday, 30 August 2009 18:50 UK

F1 launches Singapore race probe

BBC Sport

 

Formula 1's governing body has launched an investigation into an unspecified previous race, reported to be last year's Singapore Grand Prix.

 

The FIA said only that it was said it was investigating "alleged incidents at a previous F1 event".

 

News agencies have said the race is last year's Singapore race won by Renault's Fernando Alonso following a crash by his team-mate Nelson Piquet.

 

The incident triggered a safety car which put Alonso into the lead.

 

Piquet, who attributed the crash to a simple error, was sacked by Renault after the Hungarian Grand Prix last month.

 

He has since been outspoken in his criticism of Renault team boss Flavio Briatore.

 

If the FIA discovers evidence of foul play, it would probably call a hearing of its world motorsport council to investigate the matter.

oh ffs. we are right at the bloody bottom of the sodding standings.

 

Mosley can f*** off. Enough with the bloody Renault witch-hunting already!

 

 

If the FIA go after Renault again and try to damage their name with some more allegations i'm sure given our form this year they'd tell the FIA to f*** their championship and follow BMW out the door.

 

Piquet has no reason to criticise Flavio. He should have been sacked at the end of last season. He was a $h!t driver he barely finished a race and he couldn't stay out the bloody gravel trap. If he could drive he wouldn't have gotten himself sacked, so he's only got is own lack of talent to blame.

oh ffs. we are right at the bloody bottom of the sodding standings.

 

Mosley can f*** off. Enough with the bloody Renault witch-hunting already!

If the FIA go after Renault again and try to damage their name with some more allegations i'm sure given our form this year they'd tell the FIA to f*** their championship and follow BMW out the door.

 

Piquet has no reason to criticise Flavio. He should have been sacked at the end of last season. He was a $h!t driver he barely finished a race and he couldn't stay out the bloody gravel trap. If he could drive he wouldn't have gotten himself sacked, so he's only got is own lack of talent to blame.

 

I think it's pretty pointless, they're 8th :lol: They're not fighting for a championship so there's no need to go after them. I doubt that Flavio would order Piquet to destroy a blooming expensive F1 car :manson:

Renault's CEO would have him out on his ass instantly. That man is all about cutting costs

Friday, 4 September 2009 17:44 UK

BBC News

Renault called to face fix charge

 

Formula One's governing body has summoned Renault to a hearing to answer charges that they fixed the outcome of the 2008 Singapore Grand Prix.

 

The French team are accused of plotting with driver Nelson Piquet Jr to crash in the race to deploy the safety car.

The incident aided Piquet's team-mate Fernando Alonso, with the Spaniard going on to claim victory.

 

If found guilty, the team face severe sanctions which could include expulsion from the current F1 world championship.

 

"Representatives of ING Renault F1 have been requested to appear before an extraordinary meeting of the FIA World Motor Sport Council in Paris on Monday, 21 September 2009," read a statement on the FIA website.

"The team representatives have been called to answer charges, including a breach of Article 151c of the International Sporting Code, that the team conspired with its driver, Nelson Piquet Jr, to cause a deliberate crash at the 2008 Singapore Grand Prix with the aim of causing the deployment of the safety car to the advantage of its other driver, Fernando Alonso."

 

The FIA first started investigating the matter after the initial claim of fixing was made by a Brazilian TV station during the Belgian GP in August.

Alonso won the Singapore GP in 2008 when Piquet crashed two laps after the Spaniard had come in for a routine pit stop.

That meant that when race officials sent out the safety car to clear up the debris from Piquet's car, Alonso was alone among the front-runners in not having to stop for fuel and tyres.

At the time, Piquet attributed the crash to a simple error, but he was dropped by Renault after July's Hungarian Grand Prix and has since been outspoken in his criticism of Renault team boss Flavio Briatore.

 

F1 boss Bernie Ecclestone said earlier this week that both Renault and Piquet Jr would be in serious trouble if the investigation uncovered any type of race-fixing activity.

He said the negative publicity might lead Renault to pull out of the sport, following the departures of manufacturers Honda and BMW Sauber.

The Brazilian specifically cited unequal treatment between himself and two-time world champion Alonso as the source of his discontent.

 

Former world champions Renault have already been in the FIA dock this season.

They were banned for one race after a wheel flew off Alonso's car at the Hungarian Grand Prix.

However, the suspension, which would have ruled Alonso out of his home race in Valencia in August, was lifted on appeal.

 

Thoughts?

Here are mine, this is a bitter vindictive witch hunt by the man who has done his best to destroy F1: FIA head Max Mosley.

 

Especially as Renault head Flavio Briatore led the FOTA campaign to get Max Mosely to finally resign (about 5 years too late) as head of FIA; so he is taking out his revenge. It would not surprise me one iota if he is hell bent on driving Renault out of the sport, just as he did to his lifelong adversery (from back in the 1970s) Ron Dennis.

 

The one irony of this is as a McLaren/Hamilton supporter, I hope Renault/Alonso fans can now fully appreciate what Max Mosely is truly like.

 

As the old saying goes "Like father, like son = once a fascist dictator, always a fascist dictator".

 

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it does seem dodgy but I can't comment until the evidence has been revealed

 

if and its a big if Renault are proved to have done this then it is waaaaaaaaaaaaaay worse than Spygate and Briatore and Piquet deserve to be banned from motorsport for life as while Spygate was just sharing a bit of date this incident in Singapore put drivers (debris is exceptionally dangerous as seen recently with Massa), marshals and spectators lives at risk so if proven guilty I will have no sympathy wirh Briatore and Renault but I will await the evidence before giving my opinion

This is getting slightly ridiculous now.

 

It's getting to the point where i might not bother watching next year because of what the sports supposed governing body has done to my team.

 

 

I think he's still pissed off the banning of the Mass Damper didn't hurt us enough to give Schumi/Ferrari the win. Oh and on that subject, one thing that annoys me is that Renault had their Mass Damper hauled off them, yet McLaren were allowed to continue with theirs.

 

I don't think Renault will put up with this victimisation for much longer. Alonso/Flavio complained in 2006 very vocally after Alonso's penalty for 'Blocking' Massa at Monza, even though both cars were flat out and Alonso posted the weekends fastest outlap.

 

Mosley can f*** off. The Manufactures should have told them to shove their contract up their ass and gone out on their own.

it does seem dodgy but I can't comment until the evidence has been revealed

 

if and its a big if Renault are proved to have done this then it is waaaaaaaaaaaaaay worse than Spygate and Briatore and Piquet deserve to be banned from motorsport for life as while Spygate was just sharing a bit of date this incident in Singapore put drivers (debris is exceptionally dangerous as seen recently with Massa), marshals and spectators lives at risk so if proven guilty I will have no sympathy wirh Briatore and Renault but I will await the evidence before giving my opinion

All radio communications are monitered by the FIA, that is the only way they really could have thrown it and left a shred of evidence.

 

If they had evidence Renault would have been called up last year after the Grand Prix.

 

Yes, it looks suspicious from the outside, but given Piquet's form it was always going to be a question of when he threw it into a barrier not if.