delerium was y2k...you often cite that, telling me to 'you wanna get some delerium m8'..

 

so if like you and russ claim there was plenty around in the early-mid 90's , without chart reprisentaion, its INVISIBLE!

 

if i used album tracks then i could swamp 1999 even more with euphoric trance tracks, and no im not talking about the cheesy end of the spectrum, atb, alice dee jay, dj jean who are little more then 'trance flavoured euro dance/pop '.

 

EH???? Delirium started WAAAAAYYYYYYYY earlier than Y2K, and all this "Silence remix" stuff... JESUS man, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delerium_(band), they actually started as a unit (originally as a side-project to Bill Leeb's Industrial act Frontline Assembly) in 1987, so that means they even pre-date RAVE and the first wave of Trance Techno, they were there at the beginning mate..... :lol: :lol: They actually did an album CALLED "Euphoric" in 1991, which is pretty much the genesis of that particular term in the Dance context..... "Semantic Spaces" was in '94, and "Karma" (which has the original version of "Silence) was out in '97..... I realise that all this stuff has come as a pretty major revelation for YOU, but the likes of myself, Grebo, Rich and Russ have known about most of this sh"t for a LONG TIME, almost 20 years in fact..... :rolleyes:

 

Your second sentence is utterly ridiculous... Why the fukk does a musical form "need" chart placings to be thought of as visible or in existence....? It's there, it exists, it always has for those of us in the know and could be arsed to make the effort to find it for ourselves, or through word or mouth, clubs/gigs or fanzines, or these days more through Social Networking sites, etc, and actually DONT need to have our musical tastes dictated by a bunch of old farts in business suits or in the fukkin' mainstream MEEEEEEDJAAAAAAAHHHHH or on a fukkin' advert <_< . Most of the sheep out there didn't even know of MOBY's existence until his music started appearing on sodding CAR ADVERTS, I sh!t you not.... I dont need the likes of Frontline Assembly, Combichrist, VNV Nation, Apoptygma Berzerk, Rotersand, Infected Mushroom, Suicide Commando or Covenant in the sodding Top 40 to know that they exist... I know that most of these exist cos I heard them in clubs and asked the various DJs playing their stuff what it was he/she was playing...... THAT'S how you learn about some of the best sh"t there is out there mate, not on daytime radio or MTV.....

EH???? Delirium started WAAAAAYYYYYYYY earlier than Y2K, and all this "Silence remix" stuff... JESUS man, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delerium_(band), they actually started as a unit (originally as a side-project to Bill Leeb's Industrial act Frontline Assembly) in 1987, so that means they even pre-date RAVE and the first wave of Trance Techno, they were there at the beginning mate..... :lol: :lol: They actually did an album CALLED "Euphoric" in 1991, which is pretty much the genesis of that particular term in the Dance context..... "Semantic Spaces" was in '94, and "Karma" (which has the original version of "Silence) was out in '97..... I realise that all this stuff has come as a pretty major revelation for YOU, but the likes of myself, Grebo, Rich and Russ have known about most of this sh"t for a LONG TIME, almost 20 years in fact..... :rolleyes:

 

Your second sentence is utterly ridiculous... Why the fukk does a musical form "need" chart placings to be thought of as visible or in existence....? It's there, it exists, it always has for those of us in the know and could be arsed to make the effort to find it for ourselves, or through word or mouth, clubs/gigs or fanzines, or these days more through Social Networking sites, etc, and actually DONT need to have our musical tastes dictated by a bunch of old farts in business suits or in the fukkin' mainstream MEEEEEEDJAAAAAAAHHHHH or on a fukkin' advert <_< . Most of the sheep out there didn't even know of MOBY's existence until his music started appearing on sodding CAR ADVERTS, I sh!t you not.... I dont need the likes of Frontline Assembly, Combichrist, VNV Nation, Apoptygma Berzerk, Rotersand, Infected Mushroom, Suicide Commando or Covenant in the sodding Top 40 to know that they exist... I know that most of these exist cos I heard them in clubs and asked the various DJs playing their stuff what it was he/she was playing...... THAT'S how you learn about some of the best sh"t there is out there mate, not on daytime radio or MTV.....

 

i fully accept that i ignored music from 87-95 largely as the style that was around then had no appeal to me, plus i was busy being a married man with a young daughter to bring up...so my interest in modern music, the style of which i didnt like, was of no interest. ok fair do's delerium was around since 87...big deal! they had an album in 91 called 'euphoric' ...big deal! the FACTS are that dance/trance as a genre evolved and peaked in 99... it matters not who started it, to suggest that tranced peaked in 91-2 as YOU did is ridiculous! now you can stomp and shout and do the usual gobbing off but my investigations do NOT support your point of view. i might have been guilty of 'turning off to music' in 87, but then so are you in regards to trance in the mid 90's.

 

grebo openly admits he knows little about dance...so you can tick him off your list of supportave buddies, and i doubt that rich is that familiar with the examples ive posted as ive yet to see a track like 'carte blanche' get a mention off him.... come to think of it, i doubt YOUR knowlege of these tracks is that great... be honest, would you instantly recognise 'carte blanche', 'strange world', or 'everyday' if they came on the radio or whatever?...

 

like it or not, tracks like those defined a moment in time that was enjoyed by many who were there, and many now who are taking great pleasure out of 'catching up'... and theres more then just yours truely who are doing that, and just because it evolved beyond your taste (and russ's) doesnt make it 'wrong'. and im NOT talking about the 3 minute chart fodder.

 

the singles charts have ALWAYS been a window onto whats happening in the wider world.... dunno what the problem is with that... (yes a dumbed down, commercialised version maybe... but still)

 

Spot on Russ... Scottyem's comments are just typical of the arrogance of youth that frankly doesn't know any better..... It would be a bit like me during my teenage 80s Thrash Metal phase going up to an old skool rocker and saying, "hey, grand-dad, you dont know what REAL Metal is, only us kids do...."..... :rolleyes: :lol:

 

What arrogance? A little hyprocritical I think...

 

I've never once dismissed the trance of the early 90s, what I have basically explained (god knows why I'm having to do this again, no one is clearly understanding a single bloody word I'm saying!) is the trance of the early 90s was at it's peak interms of it's mass appeal.

 

These were tracks that grew organically from the club scene and found their way into the masses. Record labels like Hooj were constnatly seeing their tracks sell by the truck load purely on club exposure and it's testament to how great these tracks were.

 

Russ, you've elarly taken my view and minipulated it for your own benefit. I just get a little peeved that people who are in a certain age bracket automatically know better. Not always the case and I think taking into account other peoples opinions will earn you a little more respect from people who are a little younger.

 

Some of my favourite songs of 1999:

 

Garbage - The World Is Not Enough

Garbage - When I Grow Up

Garbage - You Look So Fine

The Chemical Brothers - Let Forever Be

The Chemical Brothers - Hey Boy, Hey Girl

Chicane feat. Maire Brennan - Saltwater

Blur - Coffee And TV

Groove Armada - At The River

Groove Armada - I See You Baby

William Orbit - Barber's Adagio For Strings

Cardigans - Erase/Rewind

Texas - Summer Son

Texas - In Our Lifetime

Red Hot Chili Peppers - Scar Tissue

Binary Finary - 1999

Blondie - Maria

Melanie C - Going Down

Tom Jones & The Cardigans - Burning Down The House

Bran Van 3000 - Drinking In LA

Blur - Tender

New Radicals - You Get What You Give

Eminem - My Name Is

Madonna - Beautiful Stranger

Macy Gray - I Try

Lenny Kravitz - Fly Away

Manic Street Preachers - You Stole The Sun From My Heart

Manic Street Preachers - Tsunami

Fatboy Slim - Right Here, Right Now

Sixpence None The Richer - Kiss Me

Whitney Houston - My Love Is Your Love

Savage Garden - The Animal Song

TLC - No Scrubs

TLC - Unpretty

The Offspring - Pretty Fly (For A White Guy)

Supergrass - Moving

Travis - Why Does It Always Rain On Me?

Mercury Rev - Goddess On A Hiway

Bob Marley vs Funkstar Deluxe - Sun Is Shining

Sting - Brand New Day

Savage Garden - I Knew I Loved You

Eurythmics - I Saved The World Today

Foo Fighters - Learn To Fly

Moby - Why Does My Heart Feel So Bad

Len - Steal My Sunshine

Melanie C - Northern Star

The Pretenders - Human

Could never quite get my head around that one - a bit of thoughtful geniusnous or...? Most of the time I tend toward the latter :P

 

And though I've been resisting it for a while, I'm gonna have to say now a big :puke2: to ATB - 9pm Til I Come...almost as bad as Fragma with Toca's Miracle and Wamdue Project's King Of My Castle. I think those were responsible for the beginning of the end for the dominance of dance music.

 

I don't think so... These songs aren't bad IMO, even if all of them were super-overplayed.

Did you know that "King of My Castle" by Wamdue Project was in fact a remix of the original (and more trance-y) beautiful album track?

I highly recommend you to check the ORIGINAL "King of My Castle" (found of "Program Yourself" album by WP, but released also as a single with it's own amazing music video -- still not found on youtube):

 

 

 

Also try to listen to this BRILLIANT trance song (from '99-'00) "Finished Symphony" by Hybrid. It's one of the best trance songs ever made!

 

 

 

 

Hybrid is indeed a track! I had this on vinyl at the time, 10 minutes of epic-ness!

1999 was certainly a good year for trance, that and probably 2000 was its best year for chart

performance i think.

 

Only in commercial terms.... Creatively, it was dead and had turned into something completely simplistic.....

 

The Dark Trance nowadays of the likes of Infected Mushroom has definitely improved matters though.....

 

...so 1999 WAS the year of trance then! :lol:

 

i absolutely disagree that creatively it was dead, just because you didnt personally like the style of trance that was popular then doesnt make it an irrelevance. trance evolved and developed from the proto trance that the likes of klf inspired, into the prefered version in the late 90's... 'uplifting' or 'anthemic' trance... and yes it might have been commercially successful, but for every pop/trance track there was in 99's charts there were 100 club hits, so dont judge it as a sub - genre by the likes of alice dee jay/ atb/ dj jean..

 

 

Spot on Russ... Scottyem's comments are just typical of the arrogance of youth that frankly doesn't know any better..... It would be a bit like me during my teenage 80s Thrash Metal phase going up to an old skool rocker and saying, "hey, grand-dad, you dont know what REAL Metal is, only us kids do...."..... :rolleyes: :lol:

 

BUT THATS EXACTLY WHAT YOU ARE DOING! ..... you are dismissing 'uplifting/anthemic' trance as it developed away from your prefered version of it! and if anyones being arrogant here its YOU not scotty!

 

infected mushroom et al are 'psytrance' (or darktrance) which is another sub genre, yes they are trance, but so are the examples ive listed, get over it! trance hasnt a 'fixed' definition, like say ska has, but is a broad term to cover a style of dance music... like metal is, like punk is... i mean, take punk, isnt the pistols/clash/crass/pil any the less punk then the the original new york punk acts? just because the clash dont sound like the ramones doesnt make either punk or not punk..

ok, if you count the charty, commercial 'trance', then fine....

 

 

Only in commercial terms....

 

you guys speak as if commercial music is a sin.... russ, remind me again who was the most commercially successful girl group of the 80's? ..... your beloved bananabints wasnt it? :lol: and you both like kate bush, who has never shyed away from courting the commercial market ,,, neither has depeche mode, nine inch nails, pil, and many more artists you two like.

 

commercially trance did peak in 99, all agreed, and yes possibly the most creative time was when any genre is fresh. but to dismiss everything from this year is folly. like ive said, for every 'alice dee jay' or 'atb' theres 10 other great tracks that both chart or are club hits.