If you're not claiming benefits Chris then you are right - he isn't talking about you ... but if you are ... then he is!

 

Norma

 

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If you're not claiming benefits Chris then you are right - he isn't talking about you ... but if you are ... then he is!

 

Norma

 

 

 

I am on Incapacity Benefit but doubt he meant people like me who are genuinely sick but people who should be looking for work that aren't. I'm sure he didn't mean everyone on any benefit, such as people in wheelchairs too.

Edited May 5, 200916 yr by Crazy Chris

I am on Incapacity Benefit but doubt he meant people like me who are genuinely sick but people who should be looking for work that aren't. I'm sure he didn't mean everyone on any benefit, such as people in wheelchairs too.

 

"We've got 3.5 million layabouts on benefits, and I'm 76, getting up at 6am to go to work to keep them. Let's get everybody back to work so we can save a couple of billion and cut tax, not keep sticking it up."

 

Please point out to me where he distinguishes between 'incapacity benefits' or says 'except incapacity benefits'. Sorry Chris ... but the "Venerable Caine" meant you as well! I think in order to have a valid reason to claim benefits as far as Mr Caine is concerned you need to be in possession of no more than one arm or leg at the very least! And if you do only have one arm or one leg ... I apologise ... which is more than you'll get from Mr Caine!

 

Norma

Edited May 5, 200916 yr by Norma_Snockers

I can assure you that all my four limbs are present and correct Norma.

I can assure you that all my four limbs are present and correct Norma.

So he means you as well.

 

And, unlike some, I didn't interpret your fist comment as anything other than a defence of his freedom of speech. If he wants to make a complete prat of himself, he's free to do so.

. If he wants to make a complete prat of himself, he's free to do so.

 

i dont think hes made a complete pratt of himself, because whatever he meant, the point stands that we the taxpaying public DO think that the workshy, career benefits scum SHOULD be made to do community work for our handouts. there was full agreement with this on page 1 !!! including by those who are anti-caine.

I fully agree that anyone claiming a benefit OTHER THAN A SICKNESS OR DISABILITY BENEFIT should be made to do community work. There's a guy on another forum who's 28 I think and has never had a job since leaving school at 16. WTF he should do voluntary work or SOMETHING like community work to get a reference. He says "I doubt I'll ever get one" and "there's nothing to get up for" Well it won't and no there isn't unless he gets off his bum and does ANYTHING like scrub floors or toilets. He never seems short of money to buy CD's either and lives at home with parents so I'd stop cash payments if I was PM and give vouchers to be exchanged for food and other basics.

 

Before anyone starts on me again I have a legitimite reason for not working and Dr's notes and DWP panels to back me up.

Edited May 6, 200916 yr by Crazy Chris

I'm not defending him but am defending his right to FREE SPEECH and views as I would yours. He's attacking the unemployed and I don't consider myself unemployed but disabled, though I'm not actually registered disabled. Unemployed to me is seeking work and I'm not due to illness.

Unemployed means not employed. The term you're looking for is 'jobseeker'...under your definition most of the 'chav' stereotype aren't unemployed! :rolleyes:

 

In any case, I would hesitate to apply the term 'disabled' to people with severe depression, and would say that community work would, if anything, actually be a massive help for these sufferers...

I fully agree that anyone claiming a benefit OTHER THAN A SICKNESS OR DISABILITY BENEFIT should be made to do community work. There's a guy on another forum who's 28 I think and has neVer had a job since leaving school at 16. WTF he should do voluntary work or SOMETHING like community work to get a reference. He says "I doubt I'll ever get one" and "there's nothing to get up for" Well it won't and no there isn't unless he gets off his bum and does ANYTHING like scrub floors or toilets. Before anyone starts on me again I have a legitimite reason for not working and Dr's notes and DWP panels to back me up.

The bolded parts are basically exact copies of what you have said on here in the past...why exactly have you never considered community work may I ask?

Yes I know people with depression aren't considered disabled but in my opinion we definitely should be, just like people with missing limbs and other serious physical illnesses.

 

 

In answer to the above question, please re-read the post again. I AM ILL AND NOT FIT TO WORK. What part of that do people not understand? Surely it's not difficult. I can't hold down any kind of job. The DWP has said that.

Edited May 6, 200916 yr by Crazy Chris

I still think that you are exaggerating the effects of your depression, while I do believe that you are depressed I do think you use it to your advantage as an EXCUSE not to find a job and also someone with severe depression why do they post on a forum where views are likely to anger thrm, work them up, get them even more depressed ? I am fortunate enough never to have had depression but if I ever had it the last place I would inhabit if I wanted to get better would be a forum

Yes I know people with depression aren't considered disabled but in my opinion we definitely should be, just like people with missing limbs and other serious physical illnesses.

In answer to the above question, please re-read the post again. I AM ILL AND NOT FIT TO WORK. What part of that do people not understand? Surely it's not difficult. I can't hold down any kind of job. The DWP has said that.

 

You use computers all day given you use this place and other forums so why can't you get paid work that involves PC's ? or train in something where you could get home based work from a PC

Why would views on forums from people I don't know get me worked up, angry or more depressed? :rolleyes: I couldn't care less what people on here or any other forum thinks about me. I post on dozens of forums actually.

 

 

Also how can young single mothers work if they want to care for the baby themselves? It's alright saying creches, childcare etc but most want to look after it themselves.

Edited May 6, 200916 yr by Crazy Chris

If I had a wife who regularly slept with someone who wasn't me, had a seperate bedroom and charged me to cut my hair I think I'd get depressed too...

Why exactly should the depressed be considered disabled? Depression is an illness, and it's quite frankly ridiculous to suggest that it is in any way whatsoever equivalent to a missing limb...people with depression CAN still work, even if they don't want to or feel they are able to, whereas those with severe physical illnesses/missing limbs can't!

 

And quite exactly how does depression render one unable to perform community work may I ask? This may be quite a personal question, but why are you depressed? Helping out others would certainly boost feelings of self-worth through contribution, and if you've never tried it how can you fob it off with a (rather flimsy) excuse of 'I'm not fit to work'? Unless, of course, you consider helping others, such as visiting the elderly or helping those with difficulties voluntarily to be work...in which case that really does say a lot about how you view that sort of thing.

If I had a wife who regularly slept with someone who wasn't me, had a seperate bedroom and charged me to cut my hair I think I'd get depressed too...

 

 

 

Hmm, do I know you from another forum? :o I don't recall saying such things here.

Edited May 6, 200916 yr by Crazy Chris

OOF, bitchayy at RFC ;o

I fully agree that anyone claiming a benefit OTHER THAN A SICKNESS OR DISABILITY BENEFIT should be made to do community work. There's a guy on another forum who's 28 I think and has never had a job since leaving school at 16. WTF he should do voluntary work or SOMETHING like community work to get a reference. He says "I doubt I'll ever get one" and "there's nothing to get up for" Well it won't and no there isn't unless he gets off his bum and does ANYTHING like scrub floors or toilets. He never seems short of money to buy CD's either and lives at home with parents so I'd stop cash payments if I was PM and give vouchers to be exchanged for food and other basics.

 

Before anyone starts on me again I have a legitimite reason for not working and Dr's notes and DWP panels to back me up.

Yes, there are plenty of things the unemployed could do. However, if they do community work or whatever they should be paid a decent rate for it, not just jobseeker's allowance. They would be doing a job and should be paid accordingly.

Can I just make a point here that may (or may not) be important in all this. The people claiming benefits - in all probablility actually keep at least another couple of million in work.

 

Norma

Can I just make a point here that may (or may not) be important in all this. The people claiming benefits - in all probablility actually keep at least another couple of million in work.

 

Norma

 

oh well in that case why dont half the population go on benefits then to provide work for the other half?...

 

you exagerate...