May 22, 200917 yr Aitken and Archer's libel actions that cost them their liberty were privately funded so cost the taxpayer nothing that is why I think they are on a lesser scale than the fraud and theft that has been exposed recently as it involves my money and yours, Archer and Aitken used their own That's kind of my point though Craig.... Crooks and liars like Blair and Hoon who lied about a war which cost the lives of tens of thousands of Iraqis get off on a "technicality", whereas Aitken and Archer - who were liars and crooks and whose crimes and lies are nowhere near as grave as the lies told by Blair and the architects of the Iraq war - got sent down.... In my view, there is something severely wrong with a system that is clearly so hypocritical and morally bankrupt as to let one lot off as opposed to another.... Archer and Aitken's lies didn't cost the lives of tens of thousands of innocents.....
May 22, 200917 yr That's kind of my point though Craig.... Crooks and liars like Blair and Hoon who lied about a war which cost the lives of tens of thousands of Iraqis get off on a "technicality", whereas Aitken and Archer - who were liars and crooks and whose crimes and lies are nowhere near as grave as the lies told by Blair and the architects of the Iraq war - got sent down.... In my view, there is something severely wrong with a system that is clearly so hypocritical and morally bankrupt as to let one lot off as opposed to another.... Archer and Aitken's lies didn't cost the lives of tens of thousands of innocents..... You seem to always conveniently forget Scott that the decision to enter the Iraq war wasn't Blair's alone. Parliament, both Commons AND Lord's voted for it!!
May 22, 200917 yr You seem to always conveniently forget Scott that the decision to enter the Iraq war wasn't Blair's alone. Parliament, both Commons AND Lord's voted for it!!# And you seem to convieniently forget that they voted according to the information that HE and Hoon supplied them with, which was BOGUS..... <_<
May 22, 200917 yr Author You seem to always conveniently forget Scott that the decision to enter the Iraq war wasn't Blair's alone. Parliament, both Commons AND Lord's voted for it!! Blair told Parliament and the country that there was conclusive proof that there was WMD, which scared most MP's who stupidly believed him. We now know that this was a deliberate lie and fabrication by Blair and Bush to teach Saddam a lesson, and grab the oil, and be close to Iran just in case.
May 22, 200917 yr Blair told Parliament and the country that there was conclusive proof that there was WMD, which scared most MP's who stupidly believed him. We now know that this was a deliberate lie and fabrication by Blair and Bush to teach Saddam a lesson, and grab the oil, and be close to Iran just in case. Spot on Brian....
May 23, 200917 yr Blair told Parliament and the country that there was conclusive proof that there was WMD, which scared most MP's who stupidly believed him. We now know that this was a deliberate lie and fabrication by Blair and Bush to teach Saddam a lesson, and grab the oil, and be close to Iran just in case. Maybe it wasn't a lie. Maybe they did actually believe there were WMD at the time.
May 23, 200917 yr Maybe it wasn't a lie. Maybe they did actually believe there were WMD at the time. Nonsense.... Why else would they put so much pressure on the JIC to "come up with the goods" even if the goods weren't actually there....? They chose to blatantly ignore everything that Hans Blix told them as well.... And then there is the sordid affair of Dr Kelly, whom I am convinced that certain rogue elements in the intelligence community "silenced" and made look like suicide..... We're talking about a guy who faced down Saddam Hussein and walked away to tell the tale, yeah, he's of such weak character that he's gonna top himself over a slap on the wrist at a Commons select committee..... It had nothing to do with WMDs, or even "regime change", or whatever bullsh!t "moral" reasons they gave (I mean, is the US or UK giving a fukkin' DAMN about the fact in Burma there's a totally vile regime in place which has stood in the place of real democracy in that country and has had the woman who is the rightful ruler of that country and actually won the election by a landslide under house arrest for the past 13 years..... gimme a break, if Burma had OIL, we'd've been in there years ago.....)
May 23, 200917 yr The Labour party watched the pantomime of the Tory party staggering from one short term leader to the next with great amusement. They'll stick with Brown. I doubt if anyone in the Labour cabinet, other than Gordon Brown, has the sort of profile and popular support in the party in the country to make enough of an impact to sweep to a clear majority. Will the Tories stick to David Cameron if he loses the general Election by a whisker? Who would replace him? The few shadow cabinet members I know either seem bland beyons belief or I actively dislike them, like the aforementioned Osborne.
May 23, 200917 yr The Labour party watched the pantomime of the Tory party staggering from one short term leader to the next with great amusement. They'll stick with Brown. I doubt if anyone in the Labour cabinet, other than Gordon Brown, has the sort of profile and popular support in the party in the country to make enough of an impact to sweep to a clear majority. Will the Tories stick to David Cameron if he loses the general Election by a whisker? Who would replace him? The few shadow cabinet members I know either seem bland beyons belief or I actively dislike them, like the aforementioned Osborne. I'm not even going to try and think of an answer to your last question as he won't lose the election.
May 23, 200917 yr Will the Tories stick to David Cameron if he loses the general Election by a whisker? Who would replace him? The few shadow cabinet members I know either seem bland beyons belief or I actively dislike them, like the aforementioned Osborne. If the Tories lose another election (or if it's a hung parliament), they'll turn on Cameron like a pack of rabid, "Resident Evil" zombie dobermanns...... :lol: :lol:
May 23, 200917 yr I'm not even going to try and think of an answer to your last question as he won't lose the election. Yeah, you'd better be thinking about what he's gonna be doing to scroungers like you if he wins it mate....... :lol: :lol:
May 23, 200917 yr Yeah, you'd better be thinking about what he's gonna be doing to scroungers like you if he wins it mate....... :lol: :lol: Well I'll be 50 then so think maybe they'll just leave me be. I'll soon be at retirement age anyway.
May 23, 200917 yr Well I'll be 50 then so think maybe they'll just leave me be. I'll soon be at retirement age anyway. You wish, the retirement age is being raised to 70 anyways
May 24, 200917 yr Well I'll be 50 then so think maybe they'll just leave me be. I'll soon be at retirement age anyway. retirement from what?.... you should be ashamed of wasteing your life, but you wont be because you havnt the intelligence to realise youve missed a golden opportunity.
May 24, 200917 yr I'm not even going to try and think of an answer to your last question as he won't lose the election. oh yes he will.... the tories are still the biggest scroungers regarding mp's expenses and the public wont forgive them. plus they as the opposition will be BLAMED for the fiasco as they would sooner line their own pockets then expose labour (and thus toppling them from power).
May 24, 200917 yr oh yes he will.... the tories are still the biggest scroungers regarding mp's expenses and the public wont forgive them. plus they as the opposition will be BLAMED for the fiasco as they would sooner line their own pockets then expose labour (and thus toppling them from power). Doubt it'll be won or lost on the expenses row though, especially if it's next May/June as is likely. People will have forgotten.
May 24, 200917 yr God thats twice I have agreed with Crazy Chris :( The election will be decided on the economy followed by immigration, people vote with their wallets and Brown has been worse than a disaster He has alienated the poor with that 10p tax fiasco, alienated high earners with the 50p tax, alienated everyone with stealth taxes and massive borrowing and being culpable over the banking scandals for not regulating the financial institutions on top of that he is beyond dull and has no charisma whatsoever, Cameron despite being too far to the left is a dynamic and charismatic man Come election time duck ponds and home flipping will have long since been forgotten but the economy won't be Unless there is a change of leadership Cameron's victory will be 150+ Edited May 24, 200917 yr by B.A Baracus
May 24, 200917 yr What's your election prediction if there's a change in Prime Minister before then B.A.?
May 24, 200917 yr What's your election prediction if there's a change in Prime Minister before then B.A.? Depending on who it is I would say a Tory majority of 40-60 Brown is Labour' Iain Duncan Smith
May 24, 200917 yr Brown is Major MkII Brown and Major were both chancellors who took over from very successful leaders in terms of election wins Brown and Major both dull and grey and devoid of any personality Brown and Major both lost their country huge amounts of money (Black Wednesday / Banking bailouts Brown and Major both dogged by sleaze in final years Brown and Major both up against young charismatic leaders Brown will lose by a similar landslide to Major
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