Actually, that's wrong, there are Universal Truths which are pretty damned fundamental (eg, "I think, therefore I am")..... :lol: But, that would be going too much into philosophy..... :P

 

I would also say that there's a pretty evident truth in saying if someone is faking a performance, then they're not performing..... I'd really like to see anyone that could refute that.....

 

Britney is 'faking' a vocal, not a performance.

She's still there and she's miming and dancing.. she is performing.

Britney is 'faking' a vocal, not a performance.

She's still there and she's miming and dancing.. she is performing.

 

...... like a robot... just going through the motions, compared with the 'great' performers shes crass.

tbh scott, we are wasteing our time. no ones gonna reconsider their position, the mime lovers are either too easily satisfied or (and) are too stupid to understand the consequences of accepting such fakery.

 

 

You're wrong and right Rob; you're wrong in that there are no consequences. Like said previously miming is LESS acceptable in the main these days, and barely any does it. TV miming often causes a backlash and only a couple of huge stars mime on tour. You're right in that you're wasting your oh-so-precious time because nobody is going to turn, and they shouldn't be bullied into it by the likes of you.

You're wrong and right Rob; you're wrong in that there are no consequences.

 

eh?... i know there are consequences in accepting fakery... thats the very point! :lol:

the fact is no one has or can really EVER justify a reason for miming at a paying show....

Which is, in a nutshell, the reason this is going nowhere.

 

It's wrong to mime and the people paying to see it are only going to keep that artist miming on tour. If the tickets weren't selling, perhaps they'd question why they didn't and do something about it next time. It's a bit like smoking, where you're essentially paying to damage your own life but here you're paying to kill any chance of that act deciding to sing live again and possibly spreading it to other artists. Why should they if they can still make millions miming?

 

We're never going to be convinced that miming is acceptable and they're never going to admit that it's wrong. (I know that's a bit of an arrogant statement in a 'debate' but, really, there is only one side to it)

You're wrong and right Rob; you're wrong in that there are no consequences. Like said previously miming is LESS acceptable in the main these days, and barely any does it. TV miming often causes a backlash and only a couple of huge stars mime on tour. You're right in that you're wasting your oh-so-precious time because nobody is going to turn, and they shouldn't be bullied into it by the likes of you.

 

 

:cheer:

...... like a robot... just going through the motions, compared with the 'great' performers shes crass.

 

Well put... And it kind of goes to what myself and Chris were kind of half-joking about on the Britney tour tickets thread - ie, they'd may as well get Britney's dummy from Madame Tussaud's to stand on the 02 stage and then just play the CD, have a few random dancers around.... We were only kidding, but why not, it's effectively the same thing.... And given the amount of gullible idiots out there, I think it would be a successful business plan..... :lol: Hmm, maybe I should pitch the idea to Dragon's Den..... :lol:

 

tbh scott, we are wasteing our time. no ones gonna reconsider their position, the mime lovers are either too easily satisfied or (and) are too stupid to understand the consequences of accepting such fakery.

 

I think you could have a point tbh mate... It's pretty obvious that our well thought out arguments against miming and fakery are a bit like casting pearls before swine..... They're just never gonna get it are they...?

 

Best thing that we can hope for is that if she melts down again, and NEVER comes back....

 

tbh scott, we are wasteing our time. no ones gonna reconsider their position, the mime lovers are either too easily satisfied or (and) are too stupid to understand the consequences of accepting such fakery.

Have I missed something? Just what consequences are there? :lol:

 

Whether you like it or not, singers/artists are ALWAYS going to mime, and nothing will NEVER change that. And I'm pretty sure that nothing will happen to the people who watch these artists mime either.. :lol:

Have I missed something? Just what consequences are there? :lol:

 

The consequences being the the practice could actually spread.... There's almost certainly more corner-cutting and trickery going on at gigs now than there was 20 years ago, I've been a gig-goer for about 20 years, and I've noticed these things happening... Not necessarily miming, but other practices such as over-reliance on Playback DAT and Laptops to fill-in for backing vox, and other instruments, whereas in the past, a band would probably hire session musicians or backing singers.... And this practice is far from being isolated to "manufactured" acts.... I've given quite a few examples throughout this thread of instances at gigs I've attended and experienced it....

 

I dont really like it when I go to a show and more than half the music isn't even being played by the band....

It is common knowledge in the industry that singers who mime are usually hiding a less than average voice which has been 'tweaked/heavily autotuned' during recording, lack the training and experience to carry the show, or are unable to reproduce the recorded performance in a live environment, or in some cases just cannot be bothered.

For those who have talent and dedication (something these pop products do not have), these are all achievable aspects of performance that only come with time, practice and hard work.

 

Of course dance routines can be demanding and to pull them off successfully the singer has to have a great deal of vocal control, abdominal support and physical stamina, but so what if they sing a few 'off key' notes, at least theyve made the effort.

WHY is it these deluded fans stick up for Britney Spears and call that sham of a tour acceptable? she barely even dances either, just kind of walks around

the stage looking exceptionally bored.

I don't think she even gives a sh!t about any of the songs she's made anyway, its not like shes ever written her own unless that dire 'Mm Papi' counts.

 

I personally find it hilarious when so called 'artists' songs stop/skip whilst their miming, it really shows the amount of talent they have.

It really shown though jsut how dire things are last year in the Beijing Olympics when the Opening Ceremony star mimed because the real

singer was not deemed pretty enough.

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I think you could have a point tbh mate... It's pretty obvious that our well thought out arguments against miming and fakery are a bit like casting pearls before swine..... They're just never gonna get it are they...?

 

Best thing that we can hope for is that if she melts down again, and NEVER comes back....

 

Surely you'd hope she learns from the media backlash to sing live; instead of return her to the state that she was at in 2007.

It is common knowledge in the industry that singers who mime are usually hiding a less than average voice which has been 'tweaked/heavily autotuned' during recording, lack the training and experience to carry the show, or are unable to reproduce the recorded performance in a live environment, or in some cases just cannot be bothered.

For those who have talent and dedication (something these pop products do not have), these are all achievable aspects of performance that only come with time, practice and hard work.

 

Of course dance routines can be demanding and to pull them off successfully the singer has to have a great deal of vocal control, abdominal support and physical stamina, but so what if they sing a few 'off key' notes, at least theyve made the effort.

WHY is it these deluded fans stick up for Britney Spears and call that sham of a tour acceptable? she barely even dances either, just kind of walks around

the stage looking exceptionally bored.

I don't think she even gives a sh!t about any of the songs she's made anyway, its not like shes ever written her own unless that dire 'Mm Papi' counts.

 

I personally find it hilarious when so called 'artists' songs stop/skip whilst their miming, it really shows the amount of talent they have.

It really shown though jsut how dire things are last year in the Beijing Olympics when the Opening Ceremony star mimed because the real

singer was not deemed pretty enough.

 

Um..Everytime.

http://backseatcuddler.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/britney-spears-bald-400a030207.jpg

 

 

height of her career.

It is common knowledge in the industry that singers who mime are usually hiding a less than average voice which has been 'tweaked/heavily autotuned' during recording, lack the training and experience to carry the show, or are unable to reproduce the recorded performance in a live environment, or in some cases just cannot be bothered.

For those who have talent and dedication (something these pop products do not have), these are all achievable aspects of performance that only come with time, practice and hard work.

 

Of course dance routines can be demanding and to pull them off successfully the singer has to have a great deal of vocal control, abdominal support and physical stamina, but so what if they sing a few 'off key' notes, at least theyve made the effort.

WHY is it these deluded fans stick up for Britney Spears and call that sham of a tour acceptable? she barely even dances either, just kind of walks around

the stage looking exceptionally bored.

I don't think she even gives a sh!t about any of the songs she's made anyway, its not like shes ever written her own unless that dire 'Mm Papi' counts.

 

I personally find it hilarious when so called 'artists' songs stop/skip whilst their miming, it really shows the amount of talent they have.

It really shown though jsut how dire things are last year in the Beijing Olympics when the Opening Ceremony star mimed because the real

singer was not deemed pretty enough.

 

conor.... i must say that over the last few years ive 'known' you online, your quality of posts has dramatically increased ... :cheer: well said!

 

thats it in a nutshell.... thats what we do... me thinks the kids on here are too fcukin soft, they ought to switch off their pc's and get some real life mates and rock n roll a bit.

 

but thats too much to expect from mime artist supporters <_<

Totally... They should get down some REAL pubs, meet some REAL people and have some REAL conversations....

 

And, maybe, while they're at it, see some REAL bands playing some REAL music..... :rolleyes:

 

I'm sorry but that is really stereotyping.

 

I may not have the best gig cred, and nor would i ever claim to have any form of gig cred but most 'kids' on here are aware of this so called real music.

 

The three times i've seen the Sugababes they've had a full band with them, no backing singers and no laptops. It's all live. I have yet to see a concert with playback or backing vocals. I may encounter some at T in the Park this year, but last year i didn't see any.

 

Just because we 'kids' spend time on here doesn't mean we don't have 'real life mates', i can't speak for the rest of the guys and gals on here, but i normally use Buzzjack to get new tracks chart info and a bit of social chat to kill time between classes and when i'm waiting for my mates to go somewhere.

 

What defines a 'real' pub??

 

And it really should be of some kind of embarrassment to Britney's "professionalism" that she's incapable of doing something that teengers such as The Saturdays, Gabrielle Cilmi and even bloody MILEY CYRUS, THE most manufactured of the manufactured, is doing every show they do.....

 

#Gabriella

 

:wub:

 

She is actually sensational live. She like the babes, performs with a full band, no backing singers and no playback. She sounds pretty much identical to her CD. The last time i saw her was some tiny small place in Glasgow for her tour and she was amazing. Full set, amazing cover of "Whole Lotta Love" and she was just really good, great crowd interaction too not that there was many of us, the place was so small :lol:

 

I'm sorry but that is really stereotyping.

 

I may not have the best gig cred, and nor would i ever claim to have any form of gig cred but most 'kids' on here are aware of this so called real music.

 

The three times i've seen the Sugababes they've had a full band with them, no backing singers and no laptops. It's all live. I have yet to see a concert with playback or backing vocals. I may encounter some at T in the Park this year, but last year i didn't see any.

 

Just because we 'kids' spend time on here doesn't mean we don't have 'real life mates', i can't speak for the rest of the guys and gals on here, but i normally use Buzzjack to get new tracks chart info and a bit of social chat to kill time between classes and when i'm waiting for my mates to go somewhere.

 

What defines a 'real' pub??

#Gabriella

 

:wub:

 

She is actually sensational live. She like the babes, performs with a full band, no backing singers and no playback. She sounds pretty much identical to her CD. The last time i saw her was some tiny small place in Glasgow for her tour and she was amazing. Full set, amazing cover of "Whole Lotta Love" and she was just really good, great crowd interaction too not that there was many of us, the place was so small :lol:

 

Phil, that comment wasn't actually aimed at you particularly... I KNOW you've been to local pub gigs, you've mentioned it in various posts in other threads.. A REAL pub is firstly someplace that isn't some poncy wine bar or a place which only sells over-priced bottled pish-water lager and alcopops.. A REAL pub sells REAL ale and proper beer and cider by the tap, and has an atmosphere about it.. Preferably, it's also a place where you might hear some local acts as well... Example of a great, proper pub, the Dublin Castle in Camden... A brilliant pub, one of the best in London, and a great place to see live music as well.... :)

 

Anyway, I think you'll find that I've actually given Sugababes some credit for doing their sh!t live.... I believe my exact words were - "I could probably even get caught up at a.... Sugababes gig because at least they put on a performance....".

 

At the end of the day, I knew who the fakes were and who was real when I was 15, I knew that SAW was a load of old bollocks and it was a bunch of old men in tacky suits trying to sell sh!te to us kids... And, I see nothing's changed really, Pete Watertwat, etc, has just been replaced by Simon Cowell and Louis Walsh....

Surely you'd hope she learns from the media backlash to sing live; instead of return her to the state that she was at in 2007.

 

I'd like her to learn her lesson, but considering she's been doing this since 2004, I'm not sure she will learn it tbh.....

It is common knowledge in the industry that singers who mime are usually hiding a less than average voice which has been 'tweaked/heavily autotuned' during recording, lack the training and experience to carry the show, or are unable to reproduce the recorded performance in a live environment, or in some cases just cannot be bothered.

For those who have talent and dedication (something these pop products do not have), these are all achievable aspects of performance that only come with time, practice and hard work.

 

Of course dance routines can be demanding and to pull them off successfully the singer has to have a great deal of vocal control, abdominal support and physical stamina, but so what if they sing a few 'off key' notes, at least theyve made the effort.

WHY is it these deluded fans stick up for Britney Spears and call that sham of a tour acceptable? she barely even dances either, just kind of walks around

the stage looking exceptionally bored.

I don't think she even gives a sh!t about any of the songs she's made anyway, its not like shes ever written her own unless that dire 'Mm Papi' counts.

 

I personally find it hilarious when so called 'artists' songs stop/skip whilst their miming, it really shows the amount of talent they have.

It really shown though jsut how dire things are last year in the Beijing Olympics when the Opening Ceremony star mimed because the real

singer was not deemed pretty enough.

 

Excellent post.... It may sound cliche, but in the words of the late Roy Castle - "Dedication - that's what you need"..... Britney has proven that she never really HAD any dedication in the first place to her craft.. Jacko once did, but is now just pathetically trying to cling onto former glories, it's like, give it up mate, you're just embarrassing yourself.... It astounds me that the likes of Iggy Pop and Mick Jagger can bounce around a stage like they're still in their 20s whereas a woman who should be in her physical prime is barely capable of dancing and cant even sing while she's moving around... Iggy in particular is one seriously fit guy, have you seen his washboard stomach and muscle tone... He's totally wired with a lot of physical stamina and abdominal support like you said, and he obviously works out and looks after himself.... The likes of Jagger and Iggy do their craft proud and show their professionalism and dedication every night they get on a stage, these are TRUE performers and entertainers.....