I would go for the 2nd or 3rd idea to be honest, over most of the other suggestions that have been submitted so far.

 

Relegation could work in some shape or form, but not in an overly complicated "play-off" sort of way that has been suggested.

Edited June 25, 200916 yr by Peter30

Option 3.

options two and three are good enough, although if in a couple of years it got TOO big we could have a massive rush to reserve at the start and long time participants could find themselves ousted out if they were on holiday or not on the forum for a few days, so option three seems the fairest. I still think that three semis wouldn't be the biggest disaster...look at last contest, there was a clear divide (Semi 1 - the indie/other semi, Semi 2 - the pop semi)...the chances of nearly all of the indie voters falling into the same semi was unlikely, but it happened and I still feel like the best tracks got through that semi, plus Robots In Love topped the semi, despite being a pop song...

 

not a fan of the first option, it would be a shame to exclude potentially exciting new countries just because they're not regular posters elsewhere on the forum

Yes the first option wouldn't work, as then countries with too few posts could be excluded while countries with an equal post amount would have already slipped through.

 

Some people solely post in the BJSC forum, so I don't think it would be fair to exclude people who are potentially only joining Buzzjack to take part in this contest.

- Have a waiting list for countries to join as over at the NSC, whereby any new countries fill the places of regular countries if they do not participate in an edition of the BJSC

 

This option is best imo.

Agreed, but idea two is OK.

I still see the possibility of making three semis without ruining... nevertheless, option 3 is the best way imo.

I have to say though that any more than 30 countries in the final and/or 3 semi's and it's highly unlikely I'd participate. It'd be far too big and watered down.

 

 

I have to echo this point as I mentioned earlier in the week, the contest is just too big, and its unlikely I will participate in the next contest onwards.

How about relegation? If you DNQd your country and song would have to be put to vote against the other countries who DNQd (as well as newcomers)?

 

FOR EXAMPLE (using the last contest)

 

Semi Final 1 DNQers

 

14 | New Rivermaya | 48 [One 10, Two 8s]

15 | Ashton | 48 [One 10, One 8]

16 | Utopia | 47 [One 12, Three 10s]

17 | Xyland | 47 [One 10, One 8]

18 | Palmyra | 45

19 | BaNG | 42

20 | Tapatilandia | 33

21 | Land Of Jack | 27

22 | Simondly | 25

23 | Camdonia | 18

Semi Final 2 DNQers

 

14 | US Of Russiatron | 54 [Less 12s]

15 | Espen | 44

16 | Lotopialand | 40

17 | Kylienips | 38

18 | FNT Nickodonia | 37

19 | Greenfroze | 28

20 | Sangria | 21 [More Votes]

21 | Inner Massivia | 21 [Less Votes]

22 | Fervorosia | 20

23 | FSR Farahtyn | 15

And then each DNQ country (if they choose to participate) will pick an entry and would be put to vote (secretly so we don't see who has the biggest support). If there are 10 DNQs from each semi + (lets say) 5 newcomers , we could pick 3 DNQs and 2 newcomers. When they are picked, they will be placed in a semi and then the contest begins...?

 

Did I make any sense? APOLOGIES if not.

Yeah, sorry I forgot to say - there's not much room for quarter finals :P That would be insanely long, and there would be a massive amount of impatience by the majority of the countries...

 

In any case, I don't particularly favour relegation. I never particularly liked the idea in the ESC (after all, just look at what we would have missed if relegation was in effect last year for Norway for not qualifying in 2007! No Maria :cry:) and think it would be even worse for the BJSC - just look at Herzebania bouncing from last to first between XII and XIII! :P

I don't like the first option, I didn't have that many posts when I started and imagine the last 11 contests without Nickodonia :kink:

 

Anyway, Idk, maybe a pre-qualification round is necessary like in the ESC, new countries and the bottom countries (maybe bottom 3) from each semi of the previous contest have to pre-qualify into the semis?

 

Idk, It'd be good to keep it simple, but this is a pretty complicated problem...

 

 

 

Edited June 25, 200916 yr by nickthenoodle

options two and three are good enough, although if in a couple of years it got TOO big we could have a massive rush to reserve at the start and long time participants could find themselves ousted out if they were on holiday or not on the forum for a few days, so option three seems the fairest. I still think that three semis wouldn't be the biggest disaster...look at last contest, there was a clear divide (Semi 1 - the indie/other semi, Semi 2 - the pop semi)...the chances of nearly all of the indie voters falling into the same semi was unlikely, but it happened and I still feel like the best tracks got through that semi, plus Robots In Love topped the semi, despite being a pop song...

 

not a fan of the first option, it would be a shame to exclude potentially exciting new countries just because they're not regular posters elsewhere on the forum

I have to say I'm favouring a combination of Options Two and Three (perhaps my suggestion earlier of the long-term participants getting first-option on entry?) at the moment...three semis wouldn't solve our problem of overparticipation anyway ;) If we go for something like this anyway we could place the limit at something reasonable like 51 countries...

I wasn't expecting this thread to appear so suddenly :o

 

I absolutely hate the idea of favouring the countries already in the contest over these new ones, I mean, I pretty much only come to BuzzJack for the Song Contest so what right do I have over other members who may post all over BuzzJack to take a place in the contest?

 

My preference would be three semis, I believe for a song to win the contest then it must be able to make it through any semi as it should have wide appeal so I don't buy into the idea of 'I was put into the wrong semi...'.

 

Failing that I would have to say option three and/or two.

I prefer option 3

 

The others just don't seem good enough

If there was a first come first serve thing, i'd only back it with incentives for the big 5 [Mdice, Kopecka, FSR Rontvia, USR and Ashton] With the exception of Mdice we're yet to miss a contest. So if you go down that route we should get a 'reward' for dedication.

 

If one of the big 5 quits just pick the next most successful/longest runnin country

 

 

 

That havin been said, I'm all for waitin lists.

If there was a first come first serve thing, i'd only back it with incentives for the big 5 [Mdice, Kopecka, FSR Rontvia, USR and Ashton] With the exception of Mdice we're yet to miss a contest. So if you go down that route we should get a 'reward' for dedication.

 

If one of the big 5 quits just pick the next most successful/longest runnin country

That havin been said, I'm all for waitin lists.

 

 

:smoke:

"The Big 5" having more advantage than they already have is likely to be taken up as unfair and in the wrong way. One country having more advantage or power over the other is going to cause conflict and discourage even more of us to participate.

 

The only way I see the limiting working without giving a sense of unfairness and equality is having a first come first serve rule, that way it is fair, and the countries dedicated enough to the contest will be able to participate, and those who aren't will obviously not because they confirmed too late etc etc.

I wasn't expecting this thread to appear so suddenly :o

 

I absolutely hate the idea of favouring the countries already in the contest over these new ones, I mean, I pretty much only come to BuzzJack for the Song Contest so what right do I have over other members who may post all over BuzzJack to take a place in the contest?

 

My preference would be three semis, I believe for a song to win the contest then it must be able to make it through any semi as it should have wide appeal so I don't buy into the idea of 'I was put into the wrong semi...'.

 

Failing that I would have to say option three and/or two.

Yeah, winners obviously have wide appeal - but given that a winner will at best only receive votes from half the participants, it's unlikely something can claim this defence from two semis. From three semis however this could happen very very easily...and we're not just on about winners, but songs that could come top ten (does anyone know how many countries on average are needed to receive votes from to go top ten?), and three semis could very easily lead to these songs missing out. Plus, three semis won't solve the participation thing.

 

And why should it only be the big five Phil? I'd say the Kingdom of Shadow, Quotosibb, Nonsuch et al have contributed just as much to the contest as the big five, if not more than some of us recently :lol:

"The Big 5" having more advantage than they already have is likely to be taken up as unfair and in the wrong way. One country having more advantage or power over the other is going to cause conflict and discourage even more of us to participate.

 

The only way I see the limiting working without giving a sense of unfairness and equality is having a first come first serve rule, that way it is fair, and the countries dedicated enough to the contest will be able to participate, and those who aren't will obviously not because they confirmed too late etc etc.

I agree

 

I think the limit should be 55 countries (First 55 to reserve have the golden ticket to the contest :P ) anyone withdrewing, the next on the reserving list is in the contest.

 

1 AQ

2 Semi Final (27 countries) where 14 qualifiers + 1 AQ = Final of 29 countries

 

And why should it only be the big five Phil? I'd say the Kingdom of Shadow, Quotosibb, Nonsuch et al have contributed just as much to the contest as the big five, if not more than some of us recently :lol:

I was only exampling :P

 

It can't be too many tho.

 

 

@Kath. in all fairness this contest wouldn't exist without some of our dedication. Rich saved us from extinction with Smack Me. Hence VII onwards been known as the Untouched Era.

"The Big 5" having more advantage than they already have is likely to be taken up as unfair and in the wrong way. One country having more advantage or power over the other is going to cause conflict and discourage even more of us to participate.

 

The only way I see the limiting working without giving a sense of unfairness and equality is having a first come first serve rule, that way it is fair, and the countries dedicated enough to the contest will be able to participate, and those who aren't will obviously not because they confirmed too late etc etc.

 

I agree, no "big 5". Especially as some people contribute to threads and stuff more than those countries now.