ok, im not a fan, not got anything by him, (nor elvis, elton john, robbie...lol..) but i fully acknowlege that he was a hug influence on music in the 80's.... forget the rest since, my thoughts on that are well documented.

 

from the late 70's through to the mid 80's he was at his creative peak.... a genius?... well...i dont think so.

 

i doubt we will ever know the truth, but just how much of 'his' material was HE responsible for?.. i doubt very little, after all, how could such a pathetic individual be soooo creative?..

 

imho he was a very successful and creative product, ok i can live with that...easy... no probs.... but lets not credit him and him alone with this success. i doubt VERY much that it was all down to him.

Wowww, not surprised one bit. :lol: He wrote, he sang, he danced, he had all creative control over his image, videos, the persona he created. Does it make him a genius? No. Is it okay to think of him as one? Yes, I think so.

+ anyway, some people thought John Lennon was overrated and a bit of an idiot (I know my Dad does), others thought he was fukking amazing (and I know my Mum does!). Some thought Elvis was the greatest thing since sliced bread, others thought he was a puppet, singing other peoples songs written for him. It's all a matter of personal opinion..

Wowww, not surprised one bit. :lol: He wrote, he sang, he danced, he had all creative control over his image, videos, the persona he created. Does it make him a genius? No. Is it okay to think of him as one? Yes, I think so.

 

...you believe all that? :lol:

 

+ anyway, some people thought John Lennon was overrated and a bit of an idiot (I know my Dad does), others thought he was fukking amazing (and I know my Mum does!). Some thought Elvis was the greatest thing since sliced bread, others thought he was a puppet, singing other peoples songs written for him. It's all a matter of personal opinion..

 

without lennon thered be no music as we know it.... he was the driving force behind the creative beatles the godfathers of modern popular music... now thats a fact, wether your dad thinks so or not! :lol:

...you believe all that? :lol:

without lennon thered be no music as we know it.... he was the driving force behind the creative beatles the godfathers of modern popular music... now thats a fact, wether your dad thinks so or not! :lol:

Yes, I do. :lol: Although to be honest, I just like his music..

 

& Yes, that's true about Lennon, but some people just didn't like his music (esp. some of his solo work, that first album he did with Yoko [unfinished Music No.1 summit] :lol: ),.. again, it's all down to personal opinion.

There is no doubt it is headline news, because he wasn't just an ordinary pop star. It is, like it or not an event like "Elvis' death" or "John Lennon's murder". It will be headline news for days, and no doubt he will be number 1 in the charts in the UK and US, it just happens it did with Elvis and it did with John Lennon.

 

As much as I am not a fan of him, and also do not own any of his albums, he was responsible for some classic songs like Billy Jean, Beat It and Thriller to name but 3.

 

However his personal life in the last 10 years has definately made me dislike him as a person, maybe not as bad as GG but a bit iffy at best. Its not just the alegations of child abuse, but remember him holding his baby over the balcony, for crying out loud.

 

With all his operations to change him from black to white, in my opinion their was something wrong with him mentally.

 

Also I was unhappy the way he bought up the rights to the Beatles music under the nose of his so called pal Sir Paul.

 

So yes it is a shock news story, and if it was one of his brothers it certainly would not make the headlines, but be prepared for hysteria over the next few days.

 

Guess the concerts were never meant to happen then.

 

RIP.

Yes, I do. :lol: Although to be honest, I just like his music..

 

& Yes, that's true about Lennon, but some people just didn't like his music (esp. some of his solo work, that first album he did with Yoko [unfinished Music No.1 summit] :lol: ),.. again, it's all down to personal opinion.

 

oh i agree that his material was patchy...lol.. esp his solo work..but he IS the godfather of pop... like his work (woman :puke2: ) or not.

 

could we have lived without lennon?... possibly, could we have lived without jacko? yes. no contest.

oh i agree that his material was patchy...lol.. esp his solo work..but he IS the godfather of pop... like his work (woman :puke2: ) or not.

 

could we have lived without lennon?... possibly, could we have lived without jacko? yes. no contest.

Of course, but you just can't deny the impact (however big or small) they both had on the music industry.

Of course, but you just can't deny the impact (however big or small) they both had on the music industry.

 

i dont.... hell im possibly the only one on this crappy site that has witnessed first hand jacko since abc! :lol:

The Beatles revolutionised music, then Michael evolved it further from that, especially in terms of image and celebrity. To call him "pathetic" is to dismiss all his achievements. As i've previously said in another thread, i'm not a big fan of him, but denying the impact he's had on not just music, but popular culture, is completely undeiable. Sure, he may not have done everything himself [Quincy Jones on Thriller, for exampe] - but with the help of other people he was able to push things further, show people new things, and so forth. The fact that his personal life over the last two decades has been almost completely negative, yet tickets for his London dates sold out within hours, and there is epic sadness over his death show just how big he was, and is further proof that music can overcome negative press, regardless of just how negative it is.

 

To ignore his impact on music is to completely disregard the last 20-30 years of music. Regardless of your opinion of him, music would NOT be the same without him. He is up there with Elvis and Lennon, and very much rightly so. He was one of the only true "superstars" to live, and I can almost guarantee there will not be another like him.

Edited June 25, 200916 yr by Kiseki

i dont.... hell im possibly the only one on this crappy site that has witnessed first hand jacko since abc! :lol:

You think :)

Let's forget the negative stuff.... and pick a fave Jacko moment.

 

I have 2.... one was the Jacksons/Jagger collaboration in 84, State of Shock. Bit of a flop - but I loved it - pretty groundbreaking for the time, too. Also, it's got my favourite outtro ever - grrrreat stuff.

 

Another is 'She's Out Of My Life' - an oft-forgotten classic - fantastic vocal performance, no fuss, no gimmicks - just a straight-down-the-line beautiful classic.

 

Yet another is the whole of Off The Wall, IMO, his masterpice.... and about 4 or 5 tracks from Thriller After that... only Smooth Criminal was worthy of his name. Bad, Dangerous, Invincible... all weaker and less impressive than the last.... and about 356 Greatest Hits albums. Oh, the Scream duet with Janet was pretty great - and a phenomenal video.

 

His family must be devastated.... and 50 is a frighteningly young age to lose your life.

 

Rob - tonight's a time for remembering the many good things he did, and let's be honest, there were many - his charity work raised colossal amounts of money for kids worldwide.... perhaps discussing the bad stuff is a tad disrespectful and hurtful to his followers here....

The Beatles revolutionised music, then Michael evolved it further from that, especially in terms of image and celebrity. To call him "pathetic" is to dismiss all his achievements. As i've previously said in another thread, i'm not a big fan of him, but denying the impact he's had on not just music, but popular culture, is completely undeiable. Sure, he may not have done everything himself [Quincy Jones on Thriller, for exampe] - but with the help of other people he was able to push things further, show people new things, and so forth. The fact that his personal life over the last two decades has been almost completely negative, yet tickets for his London dates sold out within hours, and there is epic sadness over his death show just how big he was, and is further proof that music can overcome negative press, regardless of just how negative it is.

 

To ignore his impact on music is to completely disregard the last 20-30 years of music. Regardless of your opinion of him, music would NOT be the same without him. He is up there with Elvis and Lennon, and very much rightly so. He was one of the only true "superstars" to live, and I can almost guarantee there will not be another like him.

 

no it isnt.... i fully acknowlege his achievments either with or without help... but the guy WAS pathetic, acting more like a child in mid-life then whatever he did when he was a child.

 

i braodly agree with everything else you say.

 

Rob - tonight's a time for remembering the many good things he did, and let's be honest, there were many - his charity work raised colossal amounts of money for kids worldwide.... perhaps discussing the bad stuff is a tad disrespectful and hurtful to his followers here....

 

hence a thread in retro where its possible to discuss his legacy away from the adoring fans who treat him like god.... both good and bad...no pun intended lol.

 

ps...if gary glitter had raised loads of money for kids charity, would you be saying the same thing? the ONLY difference there is that they failed to convict jacko.

Let's forget the negative stuff.... and pick a fave Jacko moment.

 

I have 2.... one was the Jacksons/Jagger collaboration in 84, State of Shock. Bit of a flop - but I loved it - pretty groundbreaking for the time, too. Also, it's got my favourite outtro ever - grrrreat stuff.

 

Another is 'She's Out Of My Life' - an oft-forgotten classic - fantastic vocal performance, no fuss, no gimmicks - just a straight-down-the-line beautiful classic.

 

Yet another is the whole of Off The Wall, IMO, his masterpice.... and about 4 or 5 tracks from Thriller After that... only Smooth Criminal was worthy of his name. Bad, Dangerous, Invincible... all weaker and less impressive than the last.... and about 356 Greatest Hits albums. Oh, the Scream duet with Janet was pretty great - and a phenomenal video.

 

His family must be devastated.... and 50 is a frighteningly young age to lose your life.

 

Rob - tonight's a time for remembering the many good things he did, and let's be honest, there were many - his charity work raised colossal amounts of money for kids worldwide.... perhaps discussing the bad stuff is a tad disrespectful and hurtful to his followers here....

 

Sure its fine to remember the good stuff but what should never be done is airbrushing from history the bad stuff because the person has died

 

While there is communal mass wailing in the streets of LA and a Jacko wankfest in the media about how wonderful he was I think it is wrong that the bad stuff should be forgotten about and now that he is dead he will become St Michael as opposed to be remembered for being the extremely flawed and dubious individual that he was however good a performer he was 15 years ago

Edited June 26, 200916 yr by B.A Baracus

I'm sorry but to paraphrase Morrissey

 

"Because the music that he constantly plays

IT SAYS NOTHING TO ME ABOUT MY LIFE"

 

This man said nothing to me with his music. Yes he was incredibly popular but he was way short of a musical genius.

And music would have gone on without him without that much of a change. Unlike Elvis or Lennon.

I personally think Madonna has had a much bigger effect on popular culture myself.

And Prince's musical output in the 80s knocked Jacko's into a cocked hat.

 

I just can't see what innovations he brought to pop. Video would have happened without him. Pop would have happened without him.

Unless being a complete f*** up is an innovation.

 

I will not miss him but I do feel sorry for his family who will obviously be in a lot of pain.

Can't recall liking any of his material since Thriller (love "Off The Wall", a few of the "Thriller" tracks and that is all).

 

It's socking news all round, you think in a weird and naive sort of way he is somewhat inflammable but losing your life in middleage is awful.

I personally think Madonna has had a much bigger effect on popular culture myself.

 

LOL. How can his statement be taken seriously after this comment? She's an icon herself, but she's not even in Jacko's league (when comparing iconic status).

Actually I do retreat from reguarding Madonna has had more effect on pop culture.

 

I just wish Jackson hadn't had so much of an effect.

 

Jacko came across as vile and arrogant with a bloody Messiah complex.

Jarvis Cocker will always be an absolute hero for what he did in 1996.

 

Deserves to be lumped in with Gary Glitter.

 

King of Pop... my arse.

Edited June 26, 200916 yr by grebo69

Jacko was a vile arrogant twat who did not have a f***ing clue.

Jarvis Cocker will always be an absolute hero for what he did in 1996.

 

Deserves to be lumped in with Gary Glitter.

 

King of Pop... my arse.

 

Best post about Jacko so far :cheer: I salute you sir

 

Dangling babies out of hotel windows

Sleeping in oxygen tanks

Plying 8-12 year old boys with vodka and having them in his bed

Paying millions to the family of a boy to buy his way out of molestation charges

Doing an OJ in his trial in getting off even though it was plainly obvious he was guilty

Stabbing Paul McCartney in the back to effectively steal the Beatles back catologue

 

The guy was a Grade A c**t and deserves to be talked about in the same way as Glitter, Now that the dust has settled and he has been dead 24 hrs hopefully now we can discuss his life in less politically correct fashion

Edited June 26, 200916 yr by B.A Baracus