Everything posted by Supercell
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When should streaming have been included in the chart?
I think early 2014 would have been better rather than having it halfway through the year. Streaming was barely contributing to the chart back when it was first introduced so I think the OCC did well adding it when they did. The only issue is how they've introduced ACR and created a meaningless chart that doesn't represent anything anymore and a set of rules they don't seem to follow half the time.
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Affected positions due to 300:1 ratio
Out of interest is there a way of seeing how the singles chart would look without ACR whatsoever?
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The UK's Official Chart 'millionaires' revealed
Ah ok good to know wasn't sure if it ever had been.
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The UK's Official Chart 'millionaires' revealed
Not seen it anywhere but in case anyone is interested. Shape Of You is now on 3 million units and the first song, I think, to be certified 5 x platinum. Not sure if Band Aid and Elton Johns songs ever were certified beyond platinum.
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Can P!nk get her second number one album next week?
I put 100k+ haha. Given how Liam managed to storm it with not having had half the singles chart success I think she will surprise everyone this week. Might realistically end up between 70-90k but I would not be surprised to see it higher.
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Game: Spice Girls - The Group Singles Rate! - The Results!
Just catching up with the results. Can't believe Wannabe was as low as #8 I knew it wouldn't be top but not that low! Absolute timeless classic that if it were released today it wouldn't sound too out of place. The song being no.1 for weeks is one of my first memories of the charts, in fact it was the Spice Girls's that developed my interest in the charts in the first place. Love Wannabe though, used to find the zig a zig ahh hilarious at the time :lol: still easily my favourite by a mile. Too Much is one of those that I loved at the time but always slightly preferred 2 become 1 for its big bold sound. Over the years though this has massively grown on me, so much so its now my second favourite behind Wannabe. Such a smooth classy sounding song. Especially love Geri and Mel C's lines, I think the song definitely suited their vocals. As some have said the use in the film was very much on point. Viva Forever is a brilliantly crafted pop song but really does summarise the mood and heartbreak of Geri leaving the group at the time. I remember being distraught when Geri left as she was by far my favourite, the video I never liked either as it just made me sad watching it at the time, for these reasons Im not overly keen on it. Who Do You Think You Are and the Brits, just love watching that performance! I vaguely remember watching it on telly at the time but remember more the impact it had afterwards in the media coverage and Geri's other eyebrow raising dress :lol: Although I liked it at the time, really not found of Mama at all now I think If U Cant Dance would be been a brilliant double A side to the song. A good showcase of how phenomenal they were at the time, the screaming of the fans carrying on well into the song. Think the only time the Brits has created such a media storm following a performance since then, that I remember is Adele.
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Sounds Like Friday Night
I personally think this is good idea having a new music show thats not on all the time and will hopefully have some diversity of genres. The problem I think with TOTP was that it was on every week, the format of the show didn't change very much and remained corny and cheesy with people miming to their current hits, people grew tired of, it I know I did and I was still a teenager when it was cancelled.
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US Billboard 200 - 10/21/2017
Amazing to see Shania topping both the UK and US album charts simultaneously. Think this is the first time she's managed that feat given Come On Over somehow never got to no.1 in the states.
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iTunes Weekly Thread W/C 6th October 2017
Noel's version of "She Bangs" is probably the best song he's churned out in the entire of his solo career. Don't want to like it as I cant stand the bloke but its super catchy.
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The UK's Official Chart 'millionaires' revealed
I must admit it that Shape Of You's sales are probably fairly inflated from repeat listening, although it did have the stormzy version added to its totals which the OCC have never done as far as I'm aware for any other songs that have a remix/different version (aka Florence & Dizzze Rascal, Sam Smith) but for some reason they bent the rules for SOY. Anyway the ratios they have, especially the 300:1 ratio, are just a chart manipulation rule because record labels are not happy they cant force something to no.1 like the "good old days". So it would be pointless trying to accrue sales from that point, even though I can see what you mean, it just illustrates how much of a mess the singles chart is on a weekly basis at the moment. Also music week have updated some of this years biggest hits. SOY is now on 2.95 million units, with Despacito on 2 million with Symphony also passing the 1 million units mark. http://www.musicweek.com/talent/read/q3-sa...for-2017/070033
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Is the singles chart better for you with the new rules
Having let it play out a few weeks I'm still not fond of the new rules. Granted its nice to see more movement but it takes the merit out of songs managing new peaks at the expensive of a more popular song being penalised and doesn't really represent a chart of any means. It's made a few more songs go top 10 but I don't feel its made a massive change, the no.1 single most weeks would have been there without ACR being in place. I do think there's more fair ways of making a more fluid moving chart but these rules are just a mess and are the occ caving into the whining of the record labels some of which are just not impressed they can't manipulate the chart the way they have done for the past 20 odd years. I won't go into it too much as I feel I've ranted about it loads of times, but if they did base streams off individual accounts / family accounts ect and put a permanent cap in place, that would probably have the same affect as ACR but it would be applied to all songs and create a fair playing field. It would have stopped songs like SOY being no.1 for 14 weeks but given it massive sales for the first, maybe second week. Also it could be used as a more effective tool of measuring track equivalent sales from streaming as it wouldn't be taking into account the repetitive listening, which in all fairness the way the occ have it currently does eliminate some of that but not entirely. Again something a lot have complained about not just in the millionaires thread but also on the comments on the occ website about the news story.
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The UK's Official Chart 'millionaires' revealed
Yeah i'd like to back this up, although I'm not wanting to give a slap haha. They were phenomenal for a time, all four of their singles off that album reached no1 and sold over 600k each, three of them over 950k. Not many artists have managed that feat and it was a harder to achieve back when singles had a shelf life of 3/4 months, rather than infinite potential. To then have an album sell as it did alongside two of those singles, with both 2 become 1 and Spice shifting 400k each in one week over Christmas was/is huge. Anyway, aside from that I'm sure Coldplay's Paradise is actually a million seller? Wasn't it prevented from charting for several weeks due to the promotional single rules back at the time and therefore actually not having its sales counted. They may have added it on since but I'm sure it shifted between 20-40k before it was made chart eligible which would make it an million seller on downloads if it hasn't been counted. I do love this all time list but do think it would be interesting/good practice if they had a separate list for the digital era, i.e downloads/streaming. As that would show more evenly how songs have rated the past 10-15 years. And as others have pointed out, draws a more fair comparison to the Physical chart era.
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The UK's Official Chart 'millionaires' revealed
Ah thought I'd missed one. Still incredible/crazy
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Spice Girls: The Group Singles Rate!
Ah yes! been waiting to see one of these types of threads pop up for the Spice Girls. Childhood favourites of mine and one of (if not all time) my favourite pop groups. 11 Wannabe 10 Say You'll Be There 09 2 Become 1 09 Who'd Do You Think You Are 03 Mama 10 Spice Up Your Life 10 Too Much (second favourite behind Wannabe) 09 Stop! 08 Viva Forever 08 Goodbye 07 Holler 03 Let Love Lead The Way 03 Headlines
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The UK's Official Chart 'millionaires' revealed
Oh wow! Loving this list this is amazing!! Seems the The OCC have finally done away with their ridiculous stance on sales and finally accepting TES as the new modern sales units. Although the amount of million sellers now is just crazy and Ed Sheeran being third is quite hilarious. 8 million sellers to his name is even more eyebrow raising. I wonder if they will change the certifications at any point. Going back to platinum being given to songs that shift a million units seems fairly reasonable given its happening fairly frequently and has been doing so since the start of the decade. Also a nice surprise to see Adele actually has 3 million sellers in old money, 4 including streaming.
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iTunes Weekly Thread W/C 15th September 2017
Nice to see P!nk still holding up, hoping if she has an xf performance it may finally be within shot of no.1, as I still have a hunch she will eventually get there. Sam Smith looking safe for a second week at no.1.
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Sam Smith: the story so far
The ACTUAL original though was more rhythmic (and better in my opinion). It came out between "Latch" and "La La La" in early 2013. Yeah that's the version I first heard and downloaded. Oddly it seems to have vanished off itunes now and its not available on Spotify (from what I've seen)
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Music Week/OCC: Shania Twain Singles & Albums
She's getting close to 1 million combined units for TDIMM. Nice to see she has three songs over 400k. Come On Over definitely does deserve those sales, its a very solid album all the way through. Country pop crossover at its finest imo. She stood out massively to everything else at the time, It was the first time I was introduced to country music, albeit with a pop/rock undertone. It was TDIMM that made the album sales sky rocket from what I remember, but given she'd had two very popular wedding style hits prior to that it just became a word of mouth success. To be fair most of the biggest selling albums in the UK are fuelled by one big hit and a follow up of other popular hits.
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US Hot 100 – 09/16/2017
- US Hot 100 – 09/16/2017
Ah cheers! Although I thought they were still running with the original ratio? Or did they change it when the OCC did?- Sam Smith: the story so far
So Lay Me Down has actually shifted over a million units when the two versions are combined. My favourite of his by far and was the first solo song I heard from him on the Nirvana ep. Irritating the OCC have no consistency, they combined Ed's version of SOY with Stormzy with the original, whilst these two versions weren't.- iTunes Weekly Thread W/C 8th September 2017
Sam's song isn't that bad but its not the best either. Granted he's played it a bit too safe but there's been far worse comeback singles this year. Zayn & Sia's song is annoyingly good. I've never liked any of his stuff especially that one he did with taylor which sounds like two alley cats screeching. But can see this one being a slow burning hit. Love to see what radio1 call Tove Lo's song if its playlisted :lol:- US Hot 100 – 09/16/2017
84.4 Million streams, what is that equivalent to in downloads out of interest? 844k? Not sure if they convert them to sales like the OCC do with the UK chart. If that is the case, with downloads added that's a mind blowing set of first week sales units!- Top 50 Best Selling Solo Debuts
I always thought Pillowtalk had shifted over a million units? Maybe I had imagined it haha. Not surprised to see Cheryl at the top. I wonder how some of the older songs would have sold if single sales had been what they are now/the last few years. Thanks for putting this together Gezza :)- Top 50 Best Selling Solo Debuts
Look At Me was such an underrated bit of jazzy pop for what it was at the time. Was gutted when she was beat to No.1, she was by far my favourite from the group. I've always thought that Geri did muck up her solo career at the time by continuing with a fairly cheesy pop sound, she would have suited her jazzy pop sound that she had for Look At Me and Goodnight Kiss a lot better. Look At Me and Mi Chico Latino were both quite strong first singles, but the follow ups are quite cringey and haven't aged very well (apart from Its Raining Men). But still having four consecutive no.1s is a feat no female solo artist has thus far matched, though I think going with Pete Waterman was what killed her career off in the long run. Mel C's team pulled an amazing rollout of her debut album and after Geri she was my second favourite from the group. I liked all of the singles from Northern Star which they seemed to save the best till later in the era and was a very solid album. Never Be The Same Again, to me is the song that summaries the demise of the group and it all falling apart and perfectly captures what was going on with them all at the time. One of the best songs from all of the solo releases. Her follow up albums though I wasn't a fan of but both Northern Star and Geri's first two albums are the only Spice Girl solo albums I actually got. Victoria was and always has been a target from the press. Out Of Your Mind was an absolute corker of a song and I loved NSAIG when that was released as well. Had both that and the album been released in 2000 after OOYM she may have faired a lot better than she did. Also really liked her brief comeback in 2003, Let Your Head Go was a great bit a of dance pop. Emma's early solo material I thought was really bland and boring, but her second album was much better and did stand out from other pop music at the time. Mel B's solo stuff was terrible, didn't like any of her solo material at all. - US Hot 100 – 09/16/2017