braindeadpj

The catalogue number shows which album the sales/streams are being applied to. If the catalogue number is for the 2011 box set and not the debut album, then that is what they're applying it to and NOT the debut album.

This may relate to which album the record company asked for the streams to be assigned to, but yes, I agree it's wrong to assign a record that is not on the album because its a remix/live version of the track that is on the album etc to an albums stream's... and of course personally I think it's wroing that streams count twice...once for an album and once for a greatest hits package...

Essentially since we've gone from measuring sales to measuring plays, it is not fair to compare records pre and post streaming, and its a disservice to the charts to do so. I know they are just trying to drum up interest, but it's all fake anyway now since they don't even represent the most 'played' some weeks (in particular when records are supposedly set or broken...)...

The problem is that previously records were purchased and that was it. They could be played 4 million times a day (or never) and it wouldn't affect the charts, but now people don't buy the record, they rent it from the streaming companies each play, and we are measuring every single time they listen to it (or at least up to the player limit per week). The act of consumption is completely different and therefore it is completely wrong to compare prior and new achievements as they are based on completely different things. This is what the OCC need to change; comparing old records achieved with purchases to those based on listening (streaming).

So 14th week without ACR for Rein Me In.... unclear if Man I Need is No. 2 again - probably as it's No.2 on the audio streaming (though it is at 3 behind Dai Dai at No.1 on the overall streaming chart - though none of the streaming charts reflect sales-equivalent streams so....?) and is at 12, and so just behind the 20,693 of No.11 HUGEL, Imael Angel & Ultra Naté - Movin' to the Sun and the "official" No.2 is on 38,192 (so if its adjusted 'sales' are greater than ~19,400 it's probably No. 2).

yes, the "official" No.1 has had essentially no meaning since 2017 once it stopped being the biggest song by sales and sale-equivalent streams.

Yes it's only in its 14th week without ACR. Also Ordinary has already equalled I Believe's record of 18 weeks and Last Christmas has surpassed it with 20 weeks.

That makes sense. For some reason the Record Mirror LP charts did remain hidden for a while but were 're-discovered' later and retconned as 'official' until Melody Maker started In October 1958 with South Pacific at No.1 continuously (though there are 6 weeks for a printer's strike in 1959 where the Melody Maker No. 1 LP is unknown (though probably was still South Pacific)). Of course if they'd kept with Melody Maker instead of reverting to Record Retailer in March 1960, the continous run at No.1 would've been 17 weeks longer (or if they'd used Record Mirror for longer it would've been slightly less continuous)!

Afraid not, the frst tie was February 16th 1957 for King and I and High Society. https://www.officialcharts.com/charts/albums-chart/19570210/7502/ There were several others on the Record Mirror and Melody Maker charts, but that may be the first tie in Record Retailer/Music Week....

13 weeks so far in 2026 for the Top 2 - Man I Need was No. 1 for only 4 of those weeks...No top 3 in 2026; 2 weeks of 3 in the Top 5 and 1 of 4 in the Top 10.

Of course The Rolling Stones are already at 13 No.1s (and actually 15 No.1 Albums if you count the reissues separately as OOC does) because of the 'missing week' in the 4th October 1969 issue when Abbey Road debuted at No. 1 and RR published the current album chart instead of being a week in arrears as per usual since March 1969 and BMRB taking over... RM printed the correct week in arrears chart and had Through the Past Darkly at No.1 (also confirmed as No.1 by the last week positions of the RR chart).

So compared to the same time last week, Rein Me In has gained 6735 units, so I think we can safely say it'll be back to SCR on Friday (unless for last week's Wednesday update all streaming data for Tuesday/Wednesday was excluded but is included in today's update) ........

I think its 9 weeks for RMI and 12 for MIN, so no, in answer to your question

Yes, two charts Best sellers - real sales Best sellers (real sales + streaming) perhaps since 2014 as its apples and oranges to compile a chart combining both for the whole 70 years.

Not the first time someone has been No.1 'officially' while they also had a different No.1 in acuality (ie, without ACR) since Ed Sheeran's Bad Habits was replaced by Shivers offically for 2 weeks and Beautiful People replaced I Don't Care. Also Sabrina Carpenter had Please Please Me replacing Espresso for 2 weeks making Olivia Dean the third artist to do so (2nd British artist).

It doesn't compare, that's the whole point., It's apples and oranges. You cannot compare the pre-streaming era to the streaming era, they are different beasts, they are the same in name only. You need two sets of "records"/achievements - prestreaming and during streaming

So Last Christmas now holds the record for longest run at No.1 as the real biggest seller... Of course we should have a pre-streaming and post-streaming record as the methodology is so different now. It's also unclear how ACR kneecapping No.1s affects their ability to remain as the biggest seller each week as the official chart showing a record dropping (drastically in some cases) from No.1 even though it is the biggest seller could mean that people no longer stream/purchase it as much, so it's possible the record would've been broken/set earlier if the charts reflected the real sales. I guess something we'll never know for sure.... Of course, this record needs an asterisk as it's a Christmas record that primarily sells for 5-6 weeks each year and then almost nothing vs the"normal" sales pattern of other records...

To be accurate, any record set during the sales-only period of the charts cannot really be broken during the streaming era as you're comparing apples to oranges, despite what they'll try and tell you.....so there are really two versions of each record; pre-streaming (only sales) and post-streaming.... There are a few records that were only set during the streaming era - such as being at every position in the Top 10 (down down to 28 i think isn't it - though of course that's based on the fake 'official' chart rather than the real actual true unit consumption chart....)

In addition using Record Mirror instead of NME for pre-1960 would also give you another 3 EPs.... (as well as the 22 that using the Record Retailer chart excludes....)

The two All Star Hit Parade releases are not officially EPs as they have a normal Decca catalogue number rather than the EP-specific one. It is true that they feature 6 cover versions by different artists - unless they're a medley?...

Great thread. Did you do a similar one for 2024? If so, has things changed? Are real sales dropping off faster compared to a year ago or they still similar?

Ordinary drops to 3 as its halved sales are 24,204 and Golden's on 48,943 so no way it could've beaten that...

This is the way Germany calculates their charts I believe. I suspect they are not the only country either....

If someone is streaming just a specific song, then its not an album stream in my opinion. Album streams should only count if a person streams a certain percentage of an album otherwise its just single (or song) streams

Now that's true with the charts being announced the day after the sales week ends, but certainly in the 20th Century, when the chart was first announced on the Tuesday (or perhaps even the Wednesday/Thursday when the newspaper carrying the chart was published) the "official" Christmas no.1 can be from an older sales week. The example of 1967 given earlier - the chart dated week ending Saturday 23rd December covered sales to the 11th to the 16th December 1967 as the next chart wouldn't be published until the 26th (Tuesday) at the earliest (and as already mentioned only covered sales to the 20th), so Christmas Day would fall in the sales chart week for the w/e Saturday 6th January 1968 (or Wednesday 3rd January issue of RR). Of course newspapers may publish the chart a little earlier but almost none published what is (errenously) considered the "official" chart nowadays as almost all covered NME's or MM's chart and not the RR chart (also published in RM).