braindeadpj

At a quick estimate I put heatwave at 27 this week without ACR, so not top 10 (though of course that is also excluding the 3-track rule; I guess 17 with it).

Now that's interesting. We know that Billboard doesn't count the D2C sales and so the 9,000+ CD singles of Harry's wouldn't be included. Presumably some of Sam's actual sales were also D2C and so also excluded? No.5 is where Sam is on streaming. Perhaps some of Cat Burns are also D2C and that's why Lizzo has overtaken her? Lizzo is ahead on sales but not overall streams (according to the OCC). Tbh I was expecting Sam to be no.1.... They clearly have a different streaming ratio (and probably freemium ratio too).

You mean the decade (so far).

Interesting that Billboard have Starlight climbing back up to 2 instead of falling to 5 and Go also being outsold by Baby. Anyone know if this due to a different freemium ratio or the not counting of artist site sales?

You can bet that the streaming companies do, but the question is whether they would give it (sell it?) to the OCC. Playlists/passive streaming certainly have no place in the chart so they should be removed, but that may require a renegotiation of the data that the streamers provide the OCC. Of course the record companies may not want this as it would reduce the size of the market (perhaps drastically)... Better to fake it with double dipping and passive streaming....?

Perhaps it depends on what the record company requests.

Since its the OCC I'd say 'Please Please Me' by the Beatles or 19th Nervous Breakdown by the Rolling Stones, both of which reached no.1 on 2 or more of the charts available in the 60s but not the 'official' one. .

Both are higher here than in the OCC non-ACR chart as can be predicted from the official chart. In the Estimated chart without ACR thread, JulianT predicts 7 (Bad Habits) and 11 (Heatwave), which I essentially agree with. We know that Billboard don't include sales from the artists own website and we don't know the streaming ratios that they are using, so these two factors may explain the differences.

And don't forget the final chart has the thursday streams estimated for the same reason. No-one knows how accurate their predictive mechanism is, but we haven't had any changes so presumably they are close enough for the record companies to not complain. I expect if there are any really close no.1s (a few 100 sales or less in it) the record compnaies may try and look into it to check their artist hasn't been cheated, though I'm not sure how readily accessible the data is to the record companies...

Of course making it official singles only would almost preclude the need for a 3-track rule..... and get things back more to the pre-download era in one sense. However, everything streamed is now double counted ('singles' and albums- up to 16 tracks-, even though they are at different ratio values), which can help make the market look healthy (or not...)

You're right. When I said earlier in response to someone else's post that they were all up, I must've mixed up this week's and last weeks for Belters and Lost Frequencies. My apologies. Aitch is also up while Dave is down.

Unlikely as they are all up compared to last week (not by much but then it doesn't need to be much - can't say about Luude but definitely the other 3 are)....

I hope so but the way Placebo's sales appear to be tailing off (only 400 on Sunday) suggests its gonna drop - though comparing with last week's total sales would expect it to end up in the top 5.

Playlist streanms shouldn't count unless the user created the playlist. We've never had airplay in the OCC before, why did we start when streaming came along? As stated above nonuser-generated playlists are essentially radio and as such shouldn't count...

Personally I agree with this completely. While I understand the reasoning behind the restrictions in the Official chart, I still want to see what the chart really looks like. Unfortunately unless you're in the industry, the OCC/BPI or whomever don't allow you to see this or report this in any real capacity and that is what really annoys me. I can see their reasoning behind this too (to stop any confusion about there being more than one chart produced by them), but perhaps they could allow it to be disseminated as the Official Unoffical Chart?

Once we have 3 consecutive weeks of declining streams. Unfortunately that doesn't appear to be starting until at least next week.....

Do you mean no.6 where of course 6 of their albums have been certified gold (as the platinum ones would have been certified gold before they were platinum) or is it one of the other ones? If they added the word only (before been certified gold) then it would be true....

Either OCC made a mistake or the record company may have asked them to go with the 4th best seller instead of the third, perhaps to give some of the other tracks a chance - don't they get another 9 weeks on the chart until ACR even though they would've been on it if they hadn't been starred out?

So looks like the real no.1 could be no.1 this week as without ACR Bruno would drop to 2....

Unless something really takes off, probably have a fake number 1 around 30,000 to 35,000....!

Yes Its on ACR next week unless it can increase its streams by 25% compared to the market next week. Peru avoided ACR may be the most likely, so Ed will probably get another fake no.1.

I think that is what they mean by not including D2C (direct to consumer) sales and that would explain why Joker and Queen only entered at 15 last week (no signed CDs from Ed's official store).

As mentioned several times in this thread, it is dfferent from just the OCC chart without ACR. Billboard/MRC exclude sales from what they deem non-official stores such as artist sites (perhaps because they only sell the artists merch?). It is also unclear what streaming ratio(s) they use.

They are all still on SCR (DCL-2). It'll be the following week that they may not be....

They exclude D2C purchases so that is probably why. Purchases have to be from official stores not fan clubs so it probably excludes the signed CDs.