Ongarboy

I suppose I was being a bit tongue in cheek to make a point...but I still think the reset % increase should be way higher...

A 25% uptick seems too loose a benchmark to be eligible for a reset anymore. Every time Liam Gallagher burps or Taylor Swift sneezes, their songs streams seem to increase by more than 25% and come back out of ACR yet again. I think 100% increase (doubling of streams) in a week should be the criteria. I'd imagine this would then only allow truly pop cultural or epic revival moments like the Kate Bush's RUTH for Stranger Things or Dolly Parton's passing to be reflected and mean a more exclusive and rarer set of oldies re-enter the charts in a way that seems appropriate in capturing the nation's mood on a given week. I get that is a subjective stance in itself but what is the alternative....? I get that some chart purists here dont want ACR at all and would be happy for Rein Me In to be Number One for the rest of eternity if thats what the bot driven playlists spit out for ever more as the most passively streamed track week in, week out but that would be the worst of all outcomes in my opinion...

And I can assure you the general public weren'taware of that! But thanks for the clarification! 👍

Actually, it's nice to see Ella's label promoting the song this way. Nothing worse than a song at number one that both the artist and label are indifferent about! It was bad enough having the entire nation being indifferent to a number one for the last 22 weeks in a row! 😜

If I'm ever out and there's a jukebox in the bar, Self Control always gets a play! I love that song!! 😍

I remember Toni Braxton's Unbreak My Heart hitting number one on the older Billboard Dance chart just because a remix was thrown in. I'm trying to visualise how anyone would dance to it other than a slow set dance!

Happened a few times last year also. Makes you wonder if it's a solitary person who knows how to do it and when they're on annual leave, the update just gets postponed until their return...

All of Dolly's songs are in free fall on Spotify's Tuesday figures dropping 20 something places at least. I imagine Wednesday's streams will drop further as I suppose realistically her passing has become last week's news. She may be lucky to only have one top 10 song this week...

I think the ubiquity and proliferation of streaming hadn't reached full impact when those legends passed and even in MJ and Whitney's case, streaming as yet didn't factor into chart position calculations. Kind of similar as to why Christmas songs had yet to dominate the charts back then during December. Streaming the same song 100 times benefits its chart potential. Downloading or purchasing a song once to listen a million times doesn't...

The fact that Spotify does guesswork for Thursday streams, I'm wondering if it is able to factor in major unexpected late surges brought on by such events like a superstar passing? Will its algorithms recognise the huge surge on Wednesday and replicate it for Thursday or will it just average out the daily consumption for the previous 6 days for an artist..hence majorly underestimate Dolly's Thursday streams?

I think back then even though 9 to 5 was a US Number One hit, songs didnt always translate as well in different markets and you had many instances of No. 1s in USA not charting at all in UK and vice versa. Promotion was staggered with release dates of singles up to a year apart in differentcountries or not done at all based on artist availability. Now with streaming, every hit becomes a global hit almost simultaneously depending on how the streaming sites playlist it. 1981 was in the full swing New Romantic era too and country music may have been considered naff or uncool at the time in UK. Also maybe the film it was associated with didnt perform as well over here as in the States(a great movie by the way!). Quite a few legacy songs as we know have done way better in the streaming era than they ever did during original release.

I think people are underestimating how huge Dolly's death and legacy is. It's the lead and dominating news item on every news programme and channel this evening as she was not only a singer but a cultural icon for half a century. This week's chart will only capture slightly over 2 days but I can see next week becoming very evident. Her songs have found a lot of favour in the streaming era, particularly Jolene, 9 to 5 , Islands In The Stream and I Will Always Love You(which she penned). I predict she will be way more impactful than Tina or Ozzy and definitely moreso than Bonnie on next week's charts. It wouldn't surprise me if I Will Always Love You (due to its poignant goodbye lyrics) could be the song that resonates most with the general public and chart highest over the next week. It'll be interesting to see....

Might start seeing songs starting to enter for Dolly Parton on Friday after the sad news this evening... 😢

I think the fact she is breaking all sorts of longevity records in her core market on the US Billboard Hot 100 (just earned her 19th week at the top), that I don't think her label is overly focused on foreign markets. Its performing very well in UK and reaching new peaks with zero promotion so that's good enough for them perhaps ..

Is Sam Smith not considered an A list star any more? Why is their album entry position prediction so low? When I think of all the artists and groups I've never heard of and have such a tiny niche fanbases sailing into #1 with ease on a regular basis, it seems all the more remarkable that Sam hasn't higher numbers...

I can't believe Tina Turner's The Best is certified for 600,000 more units than Whats Love Got To Do With It. The latter song is far superior and more signature Tina in my opinion.

It's not ironic at all. "Snow Is Falling" or "Ice Ice Baby" would be an ironic certification during a heatwave, not a song about a heatwave.... 😃

What would really be ironic and absurd is that if the overall market fell but RMI only fell by a % less than the market drop, it could escape ACR yet again! We're doomed! 🙈

Do Kylie or Madonna fans mind that Love Sensation is not a bona fide chart hit if the label is gaming the charts to artificially inflate chart positions with time strategic releasing of physical singles because streaming numbers are almost non existent? Posters have already mentioned how they'll purchase any number of copies (that they'll never open or listen to)to inflate the chart numbers which to me goes against the spirit of the charts being a barometer of the most popular songs. Give me the Hugel/Ultra Nate new song MOVING TO THE SUN which is organically moving up the charts each week to ever increasing massive appeal. Thats a true and organic "chart hit" in my opinion. I say this as a fan of Kylie and Madonna music going back almost 40 years but not a fan of forced/false hits. I know many other acts including some of today's biggest stars use similar tactics too but none of it is organic which as I said is my preferred type of chart hit(even if the song does nothing for me).

The Guardian weighing in on the demise also and also blames monoculture. https://www.theguardian.com/music/2026/aug/05/demise-monoculture-why-have-so-many-never-heard-uk-record-breaking-no-1-single-sam-fender-olivia-dean

Mariah's collaboration with Boyz II men on One Sweet Day was 16 weeks. Ella has just passed both Whitney and Mariah's solo efforts of 14 weeks each with the longest female solo reign in USA with Choosin' Texas at 15 weeks...and counting

Does anyone else feel they wouldn't mind the 73 year old No.1 longevity record broken by a more powerful or endearing song? There are countless songs that reached the top that I couldn't stand but I still understood why they hit No.1. They may have been boyband/X Factor/ novelty/charity/ what was in vogue at the time so I could understand why they had a certain mass appeal even if it was only fleeting. My confusion with RMI is that its not a bad song at all...its just that I feel there is nothing exceptional about it. If it scraped the top 10 for a week for a No.9 peak lets say, I'd have thought...well done...its a pleasing enough song that deserved some recognition and a decent chart placing...but why is it so super successful that not only did it reach No.1 for a solitary week, it just pretty much stayed there for 6 months...this being 6 months after it already occupied the top 10...what is it about the song that so many people want to stream it over and over days, weeks, months indefinitely? Ive probably heard it 100 times or more and still can't identify the reason. Like I said, its not a bad song..but that shouldn't be the reason that it will go down in history as the most successful song ever.....

I see Mr. Brightside has reached its highest ever UK Spotify chart positions in recent days...any particular reason?

Hmm..I think such fans of those songs would have bought the singles rather thsn the album and were not the reason the album sold over 2 million in UK, 20 million in USA and topped the charts in countless other countries globally...it was the Whitney factor. Its even classified as a Whitney album in the USA for chart purposes..but not in UK..

Whitney Houston had one of the best selling albums in the 80s with Whitney but outsold it in the 90s with The Bodyguard soundtrack...while technically not a studio album, it is a Whitney album for all intents and purposes as pretty much no-one bought it for the non Whitney tracks!