Posted May 13, 201114 yr Hi all, Mike for Dave on this occasion. Now before the thread begins, I have to clarify some points made on last week's thread as many comments were made. Dave handed over the chart to me in April because he now does a different chart for Internet Radio (which some of you may know). Actually the most listened to chart across the Internet in the world. But away from that. Now last week our top 3 read: 03 BRUNO MARS - LAZY SONG 02 LMFAO 01 GUETTA/FLO RIDA/NICKI MINAJ On Sunday, bang came the comments. Though no one saw fit to contact Dave personally. Which we found rather nasty, as Dave has put a lot of time/work & money into this chart since 2008. Now, the difference here from the Radio One Top 40 was questioned. Some non chalant called it "a farce". Another "just guessed bad estimations", another asked "What went wrong?" The answers will be coming, but first let's get back to whence this chart came from in the first place. It originated from Record Business Magazine, who compiled a chart for Independant Radio from April 1978 - January 1983. They went into reiceivership. Dave, Simon Johnson, Myself, & the late Barry Lazell worked for MRIB, which grew from the ashes of Record Business. Barry was the person who first brought us the Indie Chart in 1980. He passed away a few years back. The MRIB Singles Chart began in 1984 & was used by the music paper "Sounds". Another version of the chart was used for Independant Radio's Network Chart from September 1984 - July 1993. The original Record Business chart was a top 120 in April 1978. The 1st 2 number ones were Denis by Blondie & Baker Street by Gerry Rafferty. That chart was a sales top 30 from 150 shops. With the 31-120 including airplay. It differed from Radio One, because at the time, the Radio One chart used Panel Sales, differing shops polled every week. Record Business always polled the same shops. The MRIB Network Chart consisted of a Top 10 sales chart from 150 shops, plus the 11-75 including a 10% rating of Airplay. It was ahead of Radio One, because Radio One still announced their chart on Tuedays at 12.45pm until October 1987. In 1993, Independant Radio dropped the MRIB Chart, for the Radio One top 10 & a 50/50 sales/airplay quota in the 11-40 positions. MRIB continued publishing a chart until 2008 & then stopped after MSN stopped running it. MRIB as a company continued with film/video charts until 2009. Between October 2007 & April 2008, Dave Taylor & Trevor Collins began listing the Top 50 on Buzzjack every Saturday. When MRIB ceased the chart, Dave, Simon, & Myself still had the database. So, we began using it to carry it on for the site. Dave & the gang compile the chart like this: The database contains average sales for any day of the year, based on position. Only the 2005 - 2008 period has any significance these days. The positions are worked around a combination of average positions in percentage from most download sites. The biggest being iTunes of course (although the most expensive). From those averaged positions, we have a sales figure for the day in question. On a Friday afternoon, we add them altogether & then add in any relevant physical sale (although these days it's only relevant from the physical top 3, because nothing else is worth adding in). When all is added in, we get a set of figures to base the chart on. For the last 6 weeks, i've been doing this & over the last 2 weeks (due to Bank Holidays & time out), i've only used Weds/Thurs/Friday's info. The 29th April chart did not make any difference to the outcome. However last Friday it did. The sales of Guetta & co were affected because it went to number one on Wednesday of some download sites. While I ignored any Sun/Mon/Tuesday sales from any other singles, so it gave a big portion more to Guetta & not LMFAO. For those 3 days, these were the sales I got: BRUNO MARS 29,312 LMFAO 30,647 GUETTA 32,988 Of course Guetta finished ahead, because it had an advantage because it went to number one on Wednesday on some sites, where as LMFAO was number one for the days I had not included. Had I included those Sun/Mon/Tues sales, yes it would have matched Radio One on Sunday. So, hope that clarifies that. On another point: We do not estimate sales to include Saturday. Hence GaGa was not sited on the Friday, she released Judas. Though, we did look at it on the Saturday & Dave edited it in, when it was number 16 during the Afternoon. Lastly on this: At times, a fellow chartwatcher as passed on acurate sales. Which Dave has posted at times. We no longer do that because of other allegations. Hence, a chart mod on this site asked Dave via email for some info. Dave gave them it in confidence & the person went off to another site & posted it causing further problems. We know who was & the matter was dealt with. Dave is no longer a chart mod on this site, because he is less active than he used to be. Probably in body at his age too. :D Anyway that out of the way. Here are my findings this week: The Top Physicals: 01 01 BLUE 02 NE BRUNO 03 NE HURTS The Top 75 bit: OLLY MURS Top 70 HURTS ARTIC MONKEYS NOAH & THE WHALE NICOLE ~ RIGHT THERE Top 60 60 CALIFORNIA KING BED ~ RIHANNA 59 PERFECT ~ PINK 58 DOWN DOWN DOWN ~ CHARLIE SIMPSON 57 BORN THIS WAY ~ GLEE 56 TAKE IT BACK ~ TODDLA T 55 SOMETHING GOOD CAN WORK ~ TWO DOOR CINEMA CLUB 54 MAKE YOU FEEL MY LOVE ~ ADELE 53 LIFE GOES ON ~ NOAH & THE WHALE 52 CHAMPION ~ CHIPMUNK & CHRIS BROWN 51 I NEED A DOCTOR ~ DR DRE I'll be back for the top 50 shortly~ Edited May 13, 201114 yr by MikeR
May 13, 201114 yr Author The Top 50 50 JUST THE WAY YOU ARE ~ BRUNO MARS 9) 49 WHO'S THAT CHICK ~ RIHANNA 48 YEAH YEAH YEAH ~ CHRIS BROWN 47 HELLO ~ MARTIN SOLVEIG & DRAGONETTE 8) 46 WE DON'T HAVE TO TAKE OUR CLOTHES OFF ~ JERMAINE STEWART 45 BLACK & YELLOW ~ WIZ KHALIFA 44 SOMEWHERE ONLY WE KNOW ~ GLEE 43 19 ~ PAUL HARDCASTLE 42 SUPERBASS ~ NICKI MINAJ 41 GRENADE ~ BRUNO MARS 40 ROLL UP ~ WIZ KHALIFA 39 ALL OF THE LIGHTS ~ KANYE WEST & RIHANNA 38 DON'T HOLD YOUR BREATH ~ NICOLE SCHERZINGER 37 TILL THE WORLD ENDS ~ BRITNEY SPEARS 36 RUN THE WORLD ~ BEYONCE 35 S & M ~ RIHANNA 34 I FEEL PRETTY-UNPRETTY ~ GLEE 33 I CAN ~ BLUE 8) 32 I'M INTO YOU ~ JENNIFER LOPEZ & LIL' WAYNE 31 PRICE TAG ~ JESSIE J 7) 30 ROLLING IN THE DEEP ~ ADELE 6) 29 BORN THIS WAY ~ LADY GAGA 5) 28 JUST CAN'T GET ENOUGH ~ BLACK EYED PEAS 27 BRIGHT LIGHTS BIGGER CITY ~ CEE LO GREEN 26 JUST CAN'T GET ENOUGH ~ GOOD CHILD FOUNDATION 25 DIRTY TALK ~ WYNTER GORDON 24 FAST CAR ~ TRACY CHAPMAN 23 TIME ~ CHASE & STATUS FEATURING DELILAH 4) 22 BASS DOWN LOW ~ DEV 21 BUZZIN' ~ MANN & 50 CENT 20 MR SAXOBEAT ~ ALEXANDRA STAN 19 UNORTHODOX ~ WRETCH 32 18 SKINNY LOVE ~ BIRDY 17 SUN IS UP ~ INNA 16 GUILT ~ NERO 3) 15 FINISH LINE ~ YASMIN 2) 14 LOVE LOVE ~ TAKE THAT 13 SOMEONE LIKE YOU ~ ADELE 12 E.T. ~ KATY PERRY 11 JUDAS ~ LADY GAGA 10 NOBODY'S PERFECT ~ JESSIE J 09 SWEAT ~ SNOOP DOGG 08 I NEED A DOLLAR ~ ALOE BLACC 07 ON THE FLOOR ~ JENNIFER LOPEZ 06 GIVE ME EVERYTHING ~ PITBULL/NE-YO/AFROJACK/NAYER 05 EDGE OF GLORY ~ GAGA 04 BEAUTIFUL PEOPLE ~ CHRIS BROWN & BENNY BENASSI 03 PARTY ROCK ANTHEM ~ LMFAO 02 WHERE THEM GIRLS AT ~ GUETTA/MINAJ/FLO RIDA 01 LAZY SONG ~ BRUNO MARS 1) ) without downloads alone Pitbull & co have the fastest climbing number of average sales through the week, & I think you'll gather that hyped up GaGa & Take That can't last. Just one more thing: I've been reading another part of some other post about Radio One i.e. should the Chart Show be assigned to another station? I think this to be a rather stupid question really. The BBC partially own the Radio One Top 40. Since it's inception on 11th February 1969. The chart is largely a reflection of the teenage market today. Radio One is a teenage station. Radio 2 is an adult come all round station, that does not play everything in the Radio One chart. That is why it will never leave Radio One. The adult market would more likely buy Rumer, The Pierces, & Hurts to Rihanna, Pitbull, & Lady GaGa. On the Reggie Yeats front: Reggie is in to reflect an average teenager (well big kid)! Though it's more like he also reflects a multi-cultural front. I don't see that he will be removed in the near future. That's that. All other comments appreciated~ Edited May 13, 201114 yr by MikeR
May 13, 201114 yr Hmmm, I see where the Guetta error came from but some mention of how it came about last week would have been nice! Especially if you (well, Dave) knew it was inaccurate. I think GaGa will end up débuting at #6 (Pitbull is top 3 on iTunes now so I think he should easily overtake). Will still have outpeaked 3 of her actual singles though so not bad for a promo release. Possibly a similar chart placing for 'Hair' next week. TT look like they'll miss the top 10 this week, it's just a question of if they can climb in later. I'm not sure they will to be honest. Haven't heard the song yet though.
May 13, 201114 yr I quite like the Take That song, although a lot of other people don't, so I don't know really. :( Take That usually do very well on radio, so it should hang around for a while based on that. Especially since it's a non-album track.
May 13, 201114 yr Hmmm, I see where the Guetta error came from but some mention of how it came about last week would have been nice! Especially if you (well, Dave) knew it was inaccurate. I think GaGa will end up débuting at #6 (Pitbull is top 3 on iTunes now so I think he should easily overtake). Will still have outpeaked 3 of her actual singles though so not bad for a promo release. Possibly a similar chart placing for 'Hair' next week. TT look like they'll miss the top 10 this week, it's just a question of if they can climb in later. I'm not sure they will to be honest. Haven't heard the song yet though. The Edge Of Glory was a promo release but is now the third single :D So we can't really call it a promo release
May 13, 201114 yr Thanks for compiling this. I didn't know the Lazy Song had a physical. Re: should the Chart Show be assigned to another station? I was just banging ideas about, to bring discussion to the chart forum, it didn't bring any harm, but your comments are dutifully noted.
May 13, 201114 yr Author Hmmm, I see where the Guetta error came from but some mention of how it came about last week would have been nice! Especially if you (well, Dave) knew it was inaccurate. I think GaGa will end up débuting at #6 (Pitbull is top 3 on iTunes now so I think he should easily overtake). Will still have outpeaked 3 of her actual singles though so not bad for a promo release. Possibly a similar chart placing for 'Hair' next week. TT look like they'll miss the top 10 this week, it's just a question of if they can climb in later. I'm not sure they will to be honest. Haven't heard the song yet though. Dave would not have known at this point last week, as I neglected to say anything because on the Good Friday week it made no difference & I hadn't even thought about it this time last week. I just emailed Dave the chart & then he posted it to Tom I believe. On Take That: Mark Goodier gave it the first play in the UK. Instantly, people reacted. It got a no-no & someone suggested it sounds like early Tears For Fears.
May 13, 201114 yr The Edge Of Glory was a promo release but is now the third single :D So we can't really call it a promo release Yes but as a promo release it's outcharted 3 of her proper singles. It hasn't been promoted as a proper single yet.
May 13, 201114 yr Just gave (the live version of) Love Love a listen. It's everything Kidz should have been. Love it. :wub: Quite possibly their best single since Rule The World. I revoke my previous statement that I don't think it'll ever go top 10, they're almost guaranteed a BGT performance after all plus the X-Men movie may help it. Anyway, didn't Take That say they were taking a break for a while after Progress? So much for that :lol: Although I guess it may just be a one-off for the X-Men movie. Edited May 13, 201114 yr by Bray
May 13, 201114 yr Yay! I thought I was going to be the only person that liked Love Love! :lol: I was just inspired to listen to it as well. Brilliant. Really brilliant. You're certainly not alone. I've liked everything they've done this era, The Flood being slightly sub-par to the rest, with SOS, Happy Now and Kidz all being amazing. Love Love is continuing the trend. :D Anyway, Yasmin better hold onto that top 15 for Sunday. And hopefully Take That will climb into the top 10.
May 14, 201114 yr Thanks for this! Just to say, I only asked what went wrong last week because the chart is nornally so good. If it wasn't great I don't think anyone would have cared.
May 14, 201114 yr Yay! I thought I was going to be the only person that liked Love Love! :lol: I like it too and I am not normally a big Take That fan.
May 14, 201114 yr I like it too and I am not normally a big Take That fan. Yay! :D Yeah, I think it's one of my favourite songs from them (not that it's very hard though :lol:). :wub:
May 14, 201114 yr Thanks MikeR for this chart, hope you can continue this from week to week like Dave did.
May 14, 201114 yr Yay! :D Yeah, I think it's one of my favourite songs from them (not that it's very hard though :lol:). :wub: The only Take That songs I have liked have been Rule The World, Shine and Kidz before this, and I only quite liked Kidz, Love Love is like a far better version of it.
May 14, 201114 yr The only Take That songs I have liked have been Rule The World, Shine and Kidz before this, and I only quite liked Kidz, Love Love is like a far better version of it. Yeah, Shine, Kidz and Love Love are my favourites too. Their slow songs can just be so boring sometimes, and they get played on the radio too much, so there's some of their songs I liked at first (Rule the World, Greatest Day), but you just get completely fed up of them after a few dozen listens. I'd probably still like those songs if I was hearing them once a month-type thing.
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