On a scale of 1 to 10 your reply would score 11 for nonsense. We believe in free speech here. That same freedom of speech should be extended to people who weren't born here. Would you say that anyone whose Jewish ancestors fled Nazi Germany or other occupied countries shouldn't be able to say what they want? If any of them want to ban pork for instance, let them argue their case. I won't agree with them but they should be perfectly free to advocate it.

 

I made it very clear in a previous post that I would be as against jews calling for a ban on christmas as I would a muslim wanting shariah law, anyone whether they are Pakistani or Peruvian, Iraqi or Italian, Abu Dhabian or Australian has an obligation to accept and respect and totally abide by British laws, British customs, British traditions, the British way of life, this isn't about colour or race it is about respecting and accepting centuries of British tradition of the indigenous population, someone wants to come here and live ? great but act British, respect Britain, integrate and live in British communities and the same goes for 2nd generation immigrants who were born here

What is acting British exactly Craig? :P Goodness Gracious Me got the parody exactly right...

What is acting British exactly Craig? :P Goodness Gracious Me got the parody exactly right...

 

Living as one of us, integrating in urban traditionally white areas as opposed to having their own mini cities, accepting the British way of life without complaint, in the shires a non white person is as common as rocking horse $h!t, I doubt Harve for example has ever seen a black or an asian except on tv that kind of thing, instead of having their own communities full of their shops and their restaurants where an indigenous person is an outsider they should be living in rural areas among us so that they can feel British, when in Rome act as the Romans do....

I pity you Craig.

Living as one of us, integrating in urban traditionally white areas as opposed to having their own mini cities, accepting the British way of life without complaint, in the shires a non white person is as common as rocking horse $h!t, I doubt Harve for example has ever seen a black or an asian except on tv that kind of thing, instead of having their own communities full of their shops and their restaurants where an indigenous person is an outsider they should be living in rural areas among us so that they can feel British, when in Rome act as the Romans do....

 

I honestly don't think even Crazy Chris ever posted something as moronic as this.

 

Why SHOULDN'T people (immigrants or "indigenous" British people) go into communities where they feel most comfortable? How do "immigrants" having "mini-communities" actually affect you in the slightest? Have you ever considered that immigrants exercising their right to come to this country perhaps base their decisions on where to live on their own preferences, rather than what some w*n**r on a forum thinks they should be doing?

Edited October 26, 200915 yr by Danny

Say something productive James :P

 

I understand where you're coming from Craig, but it is fairly unreasonable to assume this to be a realistic aspiration. The prices of the houses in these areas are forbidding for this to ever happen - indeed, one of the reasons that so many ethnic minorities live in the areas they do is because the housing is cheap or easily available, hence the ghettoisation of areas such as Tower Hamlets and Brixton (in many cases this has been caused and perpetuated by racism) - although I agree with the sentiment that we ought to all intermingle, I find it repugnant that we have forced the ethnic minorities into ghettoes and are telling them off for not integrating!

I made it very clear in a previous post that I would be as against jews calling for a ban on christmas as I would a muslim wanting shariah law, anyone whether they are Pakistani or Peruvian, Iraqi or Italian, Abu Dhabian or Australian has an obligation to accept and respect and totally abide by British laws, British customs, British traditions, the British way of life, this isn't about colour or race it is about respecting and accepting centuries of British tradition of the indigenous population, someone wants to come here and live ? great but act British, respect Britain, integrate and live in British communities and the same goes for 2nd generation immigrants who were born here

In the unlikely event of me visiting Saudi Arabia I would accept that I would not be able to drink alcohol. However, in the even more unlikely event of me going to live there, I would want to be able to argue against a total ban. Of course, the treatment of women in Saudi would make me even less likely to want to live there even though it wouldn't affect me directly but the point remains that I would want to be able to exercise freedom of speech.

I honestly don't think even Crazy Chris ever posted something as moronic as this.

 

Why SHOULDN'T people (immigrants or "indigenous" British people) go into communities where they feel most comfortable? How do "immigrants" having "mini-communities" actually affect you in the slightest?

 

How are they ever going to FEEL British if they are in their own mini city with just their own kind ? where is their incentive to speak English or learn English if they can just talk to each other all the time in urdu or whatever ? no reason to learn English and speak English and if they are in this country they have an obligation to learn the language or they won't feel British, an indigenous person is made to feel unwelcome in those areas and many feel intimidated so again they are not integrating in British culture they are just living the same life as in their homeland except in our country as opposed to feeling British which they should be

Say something productive James :P

 

I understand where you're coming from Craig, but it is fairly unreasonable to assume this to be a realistic aspiration. The prices of the houses in these areas are forbidding for this to ever happen - indeed, one of the reasons that so many ethnic minorities live in the areas they do is because the housing is cheap or easily available, hence the ghettoisation of areas such as Tower Hamlets and Brixton (in many cases this has been caused and perpetuated by racism) - although I agree with the sentiment that we ought to all intermingle, I find it repugnant that we have forced the ethnic minorities into ghettoes and are telling them off for not integrating!

 

Unfortunately I have to call it a night now as am up at 5am :/ I will reply to this properly tomorrow afternoon

How are they ever going to FEEL British if they are in their own mini city with just their own kind ? where is their incentive to speak English or learn English if they can just talk to each other all the time in urdu or whatever ? no reason to learn English and speak English and if they are in this country they have an obligation to learn the language or they won't feel British, an indigenous person is made to feel unwelcome in those areas and many feel intimidated so again they are not integrating in British culture they are just living the same life as in their homeland except in our country as opposed to feeling British which they should be

 

But who the hell CARES if they feel "British" (whatever feeling British actually means)? How does it affect you?

As well as what Danny and Tyron have said, why would an immigrant choose a rural, white area full of people with naive and misled attitudes to immigration (that doesn't even occur in their area, bar Eastern Europeans, who are more culturally 'British' anyway) over a city that is multicultural with a community of their own race? These "mini-cities" don't, and can't cut themselves out from the outside world, it goes without saying that it's obvious they're not in their ancestors' country yes?

so you are mega anti-violent yet you think a violent party should exist?

 

Rob, Chris has made a pretty good point here and you were incredibly dismissive of him.... I mean, wasn't the Apartheid regime "legitimate" as far as South African law goes at the time.... Did you support that as well....? :rolleyes:

 

I cant believe you seem incapable of seeing the wood for the trees here... You probably would NEVER have defended the legitimacy of the National Front, but these buggers put on a suit, a pair of sensible shoes and grow their hair into a short back and sides, and all of a sudden people get the wool pulled over their eyes by what is essenstially just a fukkin' change of image.... How incredibly foolish you and others who defend their legitimacy are, and how even more foolish you are to criticise those who actually have the guts to go out there and do something about them.... How does it feel to be on the same level as Crazy Chris in this debate Rob.....? :P

 

Rob, Chris has made a pretty good point here and you were incredibly dismissive of him.... I mean, wasn't the Apartheid regime "legitimate" as far as South African law goes at the time.... Did you support that as well....? :rolleyes:

 

I cant believe you seem incapable of seeing the wood for the trees here... You probably would NEVER have defended the legitimacy of the National Front, but these buggers put on a suit, a pair of sensible shoes and grow their hair into a short back and sides, and all of a sudden people get the wool pulled over their eyes by what is essenstially just a fukkin' change of image.... How incredibly foolish you and others who defend their legitimacy are, and how even more foolish you are to criticise those who actually have the guts to go out there and do something about them.... How does it feel to be on the same level as Crazy Chris in this debate Rob.....? :P

 

oh ffs :angry:

 

just how many times must i say ALL VIOLENCE IS WRONG, so ANYBODY who resorts to violence does NOT get my support? and the law should deal with then accordingly.... and since when has the bnp actually said it supports violence? its you rabid lot who credit them with that! im shocked that ive had to yet again explain that... its a question that didnt need asking as my position is clear.

 

apartheid may have been legitimate IN SOUTH AFRICA... ffs... what a stupid comparison. apartheid was defeated by debate, discussion, politics, not by violence!!!!

 

foolish?.... to say that a legal legitimate party should be given the same rights that other parties have? WHY? as long as they ARE legal (and ive said many times before that that is a different topic) then in a fair democracy they have the RIGHT to equality. your censorship is bordering on fascism! you dont like them so they shouldnt be allowed air time.... yeah right, who made YOU boss of tv? since when has your opinion been the dictat that everyone must follow? where would your censorship stop?... oh yeah, everyone who you dont like... seems that you need to reconsider what your version of 'democricy' actually is...

Kevin Rudd said it best, it is time the party leaders shed PC and really told it as it is

'IMMIGRANTS, NOT AUSTRALIANS, MUST ADAPT. Take It Or Leave It. I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Bali , we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Australians. '

 

'This culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles, trials and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom'

 

'We speak mainly ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society . Learn the language!'

 

'Most Australians believe in God. This is not some Christian, right wing, political push, but a fact, because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture.'

 

'We will accept your beliefs, and will not question why. All we ask is that you accept ours, and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment with us.'

 

'This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow you every opportunity to enjoy all this. But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our Christian beliefs, or Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great Australian freedom, 'THE RIGHT TO LEAVE'.'

 

'If you aren't happy here then LEAVE. We didn't force you to come here. You asked to be here. So accept the country YOU accepted.'

 

Kevin Rudd can fukk right off with this sh"t... He's just an Aussie Nick Griffin spouting sh!t like this... I've said this before, and I'll say it again....

 

White Australians who bang on about the "culture" of Australia, seem to forget that the Culture of Australia was, historically speaking, Aborigine... You know, the "Abos" that Rudd's fukkin' grandparents and ancestors did their damndest to fukkin' EXTERMINATE, or did you just miss out on that whole "Stolen Generations" thing which even Hitler and Mengele would've been proud of........? <_< The Australian Govt were, and still are to a large degree, a bunch of barely suppressed NAZI C/UNTS.......

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Stolen_Generation

 

And of course it was a bloody Right Wing/Political push, what the hell do you think Colonialism/Imperialism and ETHNIC FUKKIN' CLEANSING is if not totally POLITICAL.... :angry: The facts are, a white, Christian, IMMIGRANT population oppressed a black indigenous one (just like in South Africa and Zimbabwe where white MINORITIES oppressed Black MAJORITIES), Kevin Rudd has no right to speak on this issue at all frankly, because his ancestors, and he, benefitted from what the land had to offer, well, actually, it was more like benefitting at someone else's expense in reality..... <_< The Bali bombings happened for reasons far more complex than ignorant tw@ts like Rudd could possibly comprehend...

 

So, yeah, you went to work in Qatar... And, er, pay any tax did you....? I dont think so, and I'd be willing to be that this suited you right down to the ground.... So, tell me, Craig, why should you have have any kind of say in a society which you have no stake in...? You didn't put into the system mate.... All these guys here who have been building and planning Mosques are, generally speaking, successful Muslim businessmen who want to give back to their communities.... Well, what's wrong with that....? These are people who, unlike yourself in Qatar, are actually paying into the system and contributing to society, so that DOES give them a right to an opinion and a say in how that society is run.....

 

As a great man once said - "NO TAXATION, WITHOUT REPRESENTATION!" :rolleyes:

oh ffs :angry:

 

just how many times must i say ALL VIOLENCE IS WRONG, so ANYBODY who resorts to violence does NOT get my support? and the law should deal with then accordingly.... and since when has the bnp actually said it supports violence? its you rabid lot who credit them with that! im shocked that ive had to yet again explain that... its a question that didnt need asking as my position is clear.

 

apartheid may have been legitimate IN SOUTH AFRICA... ffs... what a stupid comparison. apartheid was defeated by debate, discussion, politics, not by violence!!!!

 

foolish?.... to say that a legal legitimate party should be given the same rights that other parties have? WHY? as long as they ARE legal (and ive said many times before that that is a different topic) then in a fair democracy they have the RIGHT to equality. your censorship is bordering on fascism! you dont like them so they shouldnt be allowed air time.... yeah right, who made YOU boss of tv? since when has your opinion been the dictat that everyone must follow? where would your censorship stop?... oh yeah, everyone who you dont like... seems that you need to reconsider what your version of 'democricy' actually is...

 

And what do you think that the BNP would do to "Democracy" (which I frankly doubt even exists in this country to any meaningful degree, I mean, do we have a CODIFIED Constitution and Bill of Rights which sets out our rights in free and unambiguous terms, no, we dont, which would make it incredibly easy for a Nick Griffin to come along and twist and manipulate things, just like Hitler did in Germany...) if they ever got in....?

 

All violence is wrong.... Well, I take it that includes the illegal IRAQ war then.... :rolleyes: I take it you wont be supporting Gordon Brown then.... The BNP doesn't support violence????? Oh, you DO make me laugh mate... Tell that to the black geezer who got his head kicked in by BNP activists when he went over and talked to them.... Yeah, I'm SURE Labour Party and Tory Party campaigners start beating up the electorate when they disagree with their views..... :rolleyes:

 

Muslims are perfectly entitled to call for changes in the law and governments are perfectly entitled to say no. There's a much higher Islamic population in France but I'm not aware of any great campaign to have homosexuality outlawed or for women's rights to be curtailed.

 

... its about projected islamic populations IF the muslim community continues to rise at the rate it is. it would be very foolish to ignore the possible outcome of such a strong religious population alien to ours.

 

 

My hometown is pretty much a heartland for what you call the "real English" (ugh). It's a town not a village, but it's in Cheshire, which is like 98% white, and my town has been particularly heavily-hit employment-wise in recent years... I live in one of the two towns with Vauxhall plants, where loads of jobs were slashed a couple of years ago, and which has been constantly under threat in the last year. I'm honestly surprised whenever I see an ethnic minority around where I live, because it's simply such a rare occurrance. Does all this mean that these "real English" stereotypes are racist and want all immigration to be stopped? Nope. Many people will occasionally grumble about it, but when it comes to the crunch, most would admit they wouldn't want to see immigration stopped, and they certainly wouldn't actively vote for a racist party. The implication that the "real English" are so worried about immigration levels that they will turn to the BNP is simply WRONG.

How is a Muslim who was born here any less of a Brit than you or I? I'm pretty sure I remember you saying that you're Jewish, so I find it pretty strange that you're making these comments. I'm "ethnically" half-Jewish myself, and I certainly wouldn't appreciate someone who has 200 years of 100% "British ancestry" telling me my opinions on MY country are less valid than their opinions. And like any Brit (regardless of religious leanings or ethnicity), I will take full advantage of my right to say I dislike things about my country without leaving. Multiculturalism is a part of this country whether you like it or not, so if YOU don't like it, maybe you should take your own advice and YOU should leave. Born in Britain, you're British - simple as that.

 

And anyway, the vast majority of Muslims would not want to see Sharia law incorporated into British law, and the number of Muslims is simply never going to outweigh the number of Christians/non-religious, so your post is scare-mongering nonsense.

 

lord i could write an essay on this but time restriction prevent it.

 

i know loads of people from all around the country, immigration IS a concern, we have 3 million unemployed so why do we need more people? the pressures on our infrastructure is huge... take the secondary school where i work.... they have HAD to employ 18 translators! 18!!!! ten years ago there were 3...that money has come out of their budget, so less money is being spent on books etc. the pressure on housing, health care etc is well documented. maybe if your town was in the southeast where pressure is greatest your people would have a different view.

 

m8, its a well known FACT that ordinary british people are turning to the bnp as a protest ... how else have they done so well? you think ALL that vote for them are fascitst?...loll m8 im TELLING you, i KNOW people who are considering it.

 

erm... this is the whole point... my family along with millions of others can be traced back in this country for hundereds of years. yours and my ancestors created england/britain... i do think that in such cases we ARE 'real' or 'traditional' english, not the people who have lived here and thus contributed less, within the last 50 years. thats just plain fact, not racist, just as it is. so yes i think the 'traditional' guy DOES have more claim on being 'english' then anyone who has settled/born here in reletively recent times.

 

 

Oh, and Rob - approximately one and a half million people in this country identify as being Muslim , which works out as 2.7% of our population. I find it ironic that Nick Griffin gripes about the political influence of this group seeing as they have just half a million on the number of BNP voters in the European election, and look how little effect on the system the BNP have! :lol:

 

yet... again itsabout projected figures... the bnp will gain support IF the main parties are seemingly ignoring 'traditional' english.

 

 

This thread is really quite disturbing.. Craig is coming across as outrageously racist, Rob is quite clearly the only hypocrite in the entire topic and clearly supports the BNP. Seriously anyone who uses the term 'ethnically British' is a BNP supporter 'm8'.

 

i DO wish some people would actually READ what i put before replying.... NO WHERE HAVE I USED THE TERM 'ETHNICALLY ENGLISH'.. indeed i said quite clearly that we are probably ethnically european.

 

this is was makes me SICK .... say a word that isnt possitive towards an ethnical group and you get branded 'racist'... THIS IS EXACTLY THE ATTITUDE THAT ALLOWS THE BNP TO EXIST, because the main parties are too scared to tackle difficult issues.

 

Multi culturalism is a failed experiment, parts of cities are like a seperate country and that is wrong, Golders Green might as well be Tel Aviv, Brixton/Stockwell/Clapham might as well be Jamaica, Bradford is like karachi, Tottenham is like the centre of Istanbul, Southall for example is like walking round Mumbai, and it is just plain wrong, people from other cultures are forming their own communities like countries within a country and just mixing with their own as opposed to blending in everywhere across the country, that shows that multi culturalism is a failed concept (I am not being racist I included my own religion) and it is just as bad with Brits living in the Costa Del Sol, they just form their own country within a country which is wrong

 

For example is a person coming over from say pakistan is he in general going to get a house in rural Derbyshire or Berkshire and so on ? no, he will just go where the fellow types are gathered in their own country within a country, that is what I am against, they should be mixing and living among the indigenous white population

 

Everyone who lives here should integrate and mix and scatter themselves around the country and be BRITISH and live the British life and mix with whites and blacks as opposed to their own kind

 

Awaits being branded a racist :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

 

agreed with most what you said craig

 

On a scale of 1 to 10 your reply would score 11 for nonsense. We believe in free speech here. That same freedom of speech should be extended to people who weren't born here. Would you say that anyone whose Jewish ancestors fled Nazi Germany or other occupied countries shouldn't be able to say what they want? If any of them want to ban pork for instance, let them argue their case. I won't agree with them but they should be perfectly free to advocate it.

 

free speech?.... does that include nick griffin then? :lol: it seems that you are only allowed free speech as long as everyone sings from the same hymn sheet which kinda makes a mockery of the concept in the first place.

And what do you think that the BNP would do to "Democracy" (which I frankly doubt even exists in this country to any meaningful degree, I mean, do we have a CODIFIED Constitution and Bill of Rights which sets out our rights in free and unambiguous terms, no, we dont, which would make it incredibly easy for a Nick Griffin to come along and twist and manipulate things, just like Hitler did in Germany...) if they ever got in....?

 

All violence is wrong.... Well, I take it that includes the illegal IRAQ war then.... :rolleyes: I take it you wont be supporting Gordon Brown then.... The BNP doesn't support violence????? Oh, you DO make me laugh mate... Tell that to the black geezer who got his head kicked in by BNP activists when he went over and talked to them.... Yeah, I'm SURE Labour Party and Tory Party campaigners start beating up the electorate when they disagree with their views..... :rolleyes:

 

the bnp will NEVER get in, but if they did it would be through democratic process and not by military might.

 

seeing as all parties backed the war in iraq i guess YOU wont be supporting any either! :P

 

that analogy is childish... so if a united supporter gets his head kicked in by city fans, city advocates violence? :lol: or better still, you and that other crazy chris support griffin getting his head kicked in... so the bnp protesters support violence then? :rofl: pillock!

 

the bnp did NOT orchestrate that guys beating, it was committed by a thug. i think youd better watch what you say here, accusing them as such without 1 shred of evidence might lead to legal action against you and possible trouble for this site.

oh ffs :angry:

 

just how many times must i say ALL VIOLENCE IS WRONG, so ANYBODY who resorts to violence does NOT get my support? and the law should deal with then accordingly.... and since when has the bnp actually said it supports violence? its you rabid lot who credit them with that! im shocked that ive had to yet again explain that... its a question that didnt need asking as my position is clear.

 

apartheid may have been legitimate IN SOUTH AFRICA... ffs... what a stupid comparison. apartheid was defeated by debate, discussion, politics, not by violence!!!!

 

foolish?.... to say that a legal legitimate party should be given the same rights that other parties have? WHY? as long as they ARE legal (and ive said many times before that that is a different topic) then in a fair democracy they have the RIGHT to equality. your censorship is bordering on fascism! you dont like them so they shouldnt be allowed air time.... yeah right, who made YOU boss of tv? since when has your opinion been the dictat that everyone must follow? where would your censorship stop?... oh yeah, everyone who you dont like... seems that you need to reconsider what your version of 'democricy' actually is...

 

you say you support the BNP existing, but also according to you violence should not exist and anything that is violent does not get your support, and you were calling me and Scott hypocrites? this was a point I already made anyway, but as Scott pointed out you were just incredibly dismissive of me, it's good at least one mod of this forum can debate properly without just passing actual decent points off as 'idiotic comments'.

 

obviously the BNP arent going to publically say they support violence, but its basically a well known fact that they do regulary attack people due to the colour of their skin, Griffin maybe hasnt but I know for a fact that, his personal bodyguard, and the leader of the Young BNP have.

 

you only need to google to see how many news stories there is on BNP violence.

 

http://www.google.co.uk/#hl=en&source=...7ea12a4a5b96571

 

this is was makes me SICK .... say a word that isnt possitive towards an ethnical group and you get branded 'racist'... THIS IS EXACTLY THE ATTITUDE THAT ALLOWS THE BNP TO EXIST, because the main parties are too scared to tackle difficult issues.

 

 

Negative comments about particular ethnic groups IS racist, you cant sterotype and generalise them all, if you walk down the street and see someone from a particular ethnic group and think those comments, you are prejudice against that ethnic group.

 

Maybe it is the attitude that allows the BNP to exist, but what shall we all just become racists to stop the BNP from existing? which would make us basically a BNP country.

Negative comments about particular ethnic groups IS racist, you cant sterotype and generalise them all, if you walk down the street and see someone from a particular ethnic group and think those comments, you are prejudice against that ethnic group.

 

Maybe it is the attitude that allows the BNP to exist, but what shall we all just become racists to stop the BNP from existing? which would make us basically a BNP country.

 

The race card is thrown around like confetti though, I was accused of being a racist last night when there was no racism from me but at the same time the BNP is flourishing because politicians on ALL sides are too PC to take the bull by the horns and tackle the immigration issue and it is a very important issue and anyone that does bring up immigration is straight away branded a racist and that is what is making the BNP flourish

 

Again you are assuming everyone that supports the BNP is automatically a racist, they are not in all cases by any means, they are just ordinary hard working people from all walks of life who are frustrated with the inability of politicians to break away from the PC fluff and have a strong national debate about the issue, extremist parties are not even on the map in Australia which is probably the most multi cultural country in the world, why ? because Aussie politicians are less PC and are prepared to have a serious blunt debate about the issue, labour and the tories start grabbing the bull by the horns the BNP will overnight almost go back to being a few hundred neo nazi's gathering in a hall

Edited October 27, 200915 yr by B.A Baracus

free speech?.... does that include nick griffin then? :lol: it seems that you are only allowed free speech as long as everyone sings from the same hymn sheet which kinda makes a mockery of the concept in the first place.

At no point has Suedehead actually said that Nick Griffin doesn't have the right to say what he's saying...you're using a straw man here Rob! ;)

 

the bnp will NEVER get in, but if they did it would be through democratic process and not by military might.

 

seeing as all parties backed the war in iraq i guess YOU wont be supporting any either! :P

 

that analogy is childish... so if a united supporter gets his head kicked in by city fans, city advocates violence? :lol: or better still, you and that other crazy chris support griffin getting his head kicked in... so the bnp protesters support violence then? :rofl: pillock!

 

the bnp did NOT orchestrate that guys beating, it was committed by a thug. i think youd better watch what you say here, accusing them as such without 1 shred of evidence might lead to legal action against you and possible trouble for this site.

Well, the Lib Dems for a start didn't back the war! :P Ditto the Greens...

 

And two words on the latter part - Combat 18. Additionally, last year police searched the home of BNP election candidate Robert Cottage and found 'the largest amount of chemical explosives ever found in this country'! If you have electoral candidates doing such things, then you can't any longer insist that the party doesn't resort to violence to further its aims...in general, the terror threat from the far-right is ignored to a horrific extent by our media.