Well if and when the EU treaty is finally ratified, there will be a EU president appointed, not elected. It is widely speculated that our very own ex-prime minister is the front runner to get the job which would put him in charge of the whole of the EU Countries.

 

I don't know about you but that would be unpalatable to me, after his record in the UK and on the wider world stage.

 

What do you think?

not really bothered tbh, i doubt if any possible candidate for the job is some super pm who would steer europe to world domination.

Apart from Iraq I have come over time to think that Blair was a pretty good PM, he put the economy on a strong footing and seeing the mess Brown has made of everything has somewhat revised my opinion of Blair, I don't think he would make a bad EU president

Apart from Iraq I have come over time to think that Blair was a pretty good PM, he put the economy on a strong footing and seeing the mess Brown has made of everything has somewhat revised my opinion of Blair, I don't think he would make a bad EU president

 

Iraq, Afghanistan, the Bernie Eccleston affair, Cash for Honours, the £40 billion spent on an NHS IT system that doesn't work, the disastrous merging of Inland Revenue and Customs and Excise, selling off bits of the Royal Mail..... And those are just a few I can think of off the top of my head.... Blair was just as corrupt and no-good as Major or Thatcher.... Brown may have made a mess of things, but it was all on Blair's Watch for the most part..... The "mess" didn't suddenly just occur when Brown took office, the "mess" was a very long time in the making....

 

No, I think that B-liar would be an absolute disaster as EU President.... It would probably be enough to set me against the whole idea of the EU....

 

 

 

Would it really matter? Isn't it a purely ceremonial position which will exist solely so whenever the President of wherever talks to Europe as a whole they will have someone definite to shake hands with rather than whomever has the rotating presidency?

i think anyone in office for 10 years in the modern era with the papers and absolute scrutiny you come under will have tarnishes on their record. But Tony Blair did a lot of good and he could make people believe him, could bring arguing parties together and give consensus. You know for all the issues in politics giving consensus and direction are hugely important. His final commons is definitely worth watching to understand the respect from even other parties:

 

 

He brings people together and Europe definitely need that. The only problem is PM's of European countries woudnt elect someone who would overshadow them and so will probably look for a less high profile position (which Blair woudnt take anyway)..

i think anyone in office for 10 years in the modern era with the papers and absolute scrutiny you come under will have tarnishes on their record. But Tony Blair did a lot of good and he could make people believe him, could bring arguing parties together and give consensus. You know for all the issues in politics giving consensus and direction are hugely important. His final commons is definitely worth watching to understand the respect from even other parties:

 

 

He brings people together and Europe definitely need that. The only problem is PM's of European countries woudnt elect someone who would overshadow them and so will probably look for a less high profile position (which Blair woudnt take anyway)..

 

He's a war criminal Phil personally responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands of Iraqis through his lies and chicanery.... You'd may as well have someone like Vladimir Putin or Slobodan Milosevic (yes, I know he's dead, but just making a point..) as the EU prez..... I find the notion of someone like him being the President of a Federal EU to be offensive to my sense of morals.... -_-

 

He's a war criminal Phil personally responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands of Iraqis through his lies and chicanery.... You'd may as well have someone like Vladimir Putin or Slobodan Milosevic (yes, I know he's dead, but just making a point..) as the EU prez..... I find the notion of someone like him being the President of a Federal EU to be offensive to my sense of morals.... -_-

 

 

What a load of rubbish. He's only a war criminal in your mind. :rolleyes: Parliament voted for the war. If it hadn't he couldn't have gone ahead. Simple. He did what was right at the time to help get rid of evil Saddam and is a top guy and world Statesman. I'd have done exactly the same. That's my honest opinion and I'm not just saying that to wind anyone up. I really admire the guy for the way he stuck to his guns despite all the anti-war protests, accusations of cosying up to Bush and even some dissent in his own party. Of course he should be European President. In fact WORLD PRESIDENT if there was one. It's my ambition to meet him one day and shake his hand and say "well done dude" Same for Bush, top geezer in my mind.

 

I doubt he'll become President though as the other European leaders aren't his biggest fans and would feel overshadowed by him, as a post above said. Their loss though.

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He's a war criminal Phil personally responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands of Iraqis through his lies and chicanery.... You'd may as well have someone like Vladimir Putin or Slobodan Milosevic (yes, I know he's dead, but just making a point..) as the EU prez..... I find the notion of someone like him being the President of a Federal EU to be offensive to my sense of morals.... -_-

 

Saddam was actually killing his own people so while he was around that was the status quo... not to mention their terrible living conditions as he didnt distribute the oil wealth in the country. It will be a long road to democracy as is with all these transitions but cant see how removing Saddam makes him responsible for the loss of life.

Saddam was actually killing his own people so while he was around that was the status quo... not to mention their terrible living conditions as he didnt distribute the oil wealth in the country. It will be a long road to democracy as is with all these transitions but cant see how removing Saddam makes him responsible for the loss of life.

 

yeah but the 'antis' would sooner thousands of kurds died and the country be kept in poverty... <_<

 

for all the rights and wrongs of the war, iraq will be better off in the long run and thousands of people will still be alive, and dont forget, sadam deliberately caused the war by not allowing UN weapons investigators in..

 

sadam was responsible for the war, he could have prevented it easily... he called the wests bluff and paid the price.

Saddam was actually killing his own people so while he was around that was the status quo... not to mention their terrible living conditions as he didnt distribute the oil wealth in the country. It will be a long road to democracy as is with all these transitions but cant see how removing Saddam makes him responsible for the loss of life.

 

Same thing happens in Burma

Same thing happens in China

Same thing happens in Zimbabwe

Same thing happens in North Korea.....

 

Dont mean to be callous, but, sorry, it AINT OUR PROBLEM..... Saddam was a problem for the Jordanians, the Saudis, the Iranians, the Israelis or the Turks to deal with, NOT US.... We were all too happy to let Saddam kill whoever he wanted during the war against Iran in the 80s, but that was just dandy as long as he was against the Ayatollah and wasn't interfering with the West's oil supply... People like you and Rob seem to forget all this.....

 

Let's not kid ourselves here, "moral outrage" had absolutely fukk all to do with the invasion, or even UN sanctions.... What a ludicrous notion..... :rolleyes:

 

What a load of rubbish. He's only a war criminal in your mind. :rolleyes: Parliament voted for the war. If it hadn't he couldn't have gone ahead. Simple. He did what was right at the time to help get rid of evil Saddam and is a top guy and world Statesman. I'd have done exactly the same. That's my honest opinion and I'm not just saying that to wind anyone up. I really admire the guy for the way he stuck to his guns despite all the anti-war protests, accusations of cosying up to Bush and even some dissent in his own party. Of course he should be European President. In fact WORLD PRESIDENT if there was one. It's my ambition to meet him one day and shake his hand and say "well done dude" Same for Bush, top geezer in my mind.

 

I doubt he'll become President though as the other European leaders aren't his biggest fans and would feel overshadowed by him, as a post above said. Their loss though.

 

And you prove again what an idiot you are.... Because, time and time again, you've been told that the only reason Parliament voted for that piece of sh!t war was because of the Dodgy Dossier and the ludicrous "45 minute" claim, and time and time again you seem just too plain stoopid to take on board this fact, the Tories said they would never have voted for the war had they known the truth, and the Lib Dems, to their eternal credit, were 100% against it from the start..... I really have no time or respect for anyone who needs to be told the same thing over and over and yet still stubbornly refuses to actually let it sink in..... And, so bloody typical as well for you to have all this respect for a piece of bureaucratic, pen-pushing sh!t like Tony B-liar, whose never fought a war in his fukkin' life (and ditto for Dubya Bush who got his rich daddy to buy him out of Vietnam <_< ), and yet little or no respect for the people in the armed forces who actually have to go out and fight the war while all the time being lied to about the reasons for it.... People like you disgust me, you really do.... <_<

 

I think if you actually do a bit of fukkin' research you'll actually find that the people who have actually FOUGHT in wars are those who are incredibly critical or cautious about entering into other conflicts.... Look at what happened to Colin Powell when he started to raise his own disquiet about Iraq, he was basically fukked by the Bush Admin, and he was the ONLY one in that rotten Administration who actually had any combat experience..... Says it all really...... <_<

yeah but the 'antis' would sooner thousands of kurds died and the country be kept in poverty... <_>

 

for all the rights and wrongs of the war, iraq will be better off in the long run and thousands of people will still be alive, and dont forget, sadam deliberately caused the war by not allowing UN weapons investigators in..

 

sadam was responsible for the war, he could have prevented it easily... he called the wests bluff and paid the price.

He did let the inspectors in eventually. He was being asked to prove a negative - that he didn't have WMD - which was pretty much impossible without sufficient inspectors to cover every square inch of Iraq simultaneously. Of course he also knew that if the Iraqi people realised how poorly armed he was, he would have lost a lot of his authority. Bush and Blair tried to make it look like Saddam had a choice but, realistically, he didn't. He was doomed from the moment Bush and Blair started threatening him.

He did let the inspectors in eventually. He was being asked to prove a negative - that he didn't have WMD - which was pretty much impossible without sufficient inspectors to cover every square inch of Iraq simultaneously. Of course he also knew that if the Iraqi people realised how poorly armed he was, he would have lost a lot of his authority. Bush and Blair tried to make it look like Saddam had a choice but, realistically, he didn't. He was doomed from the moment Bush and Blair started threatening him.

 

Precisely.... How could someone like him realistically be expected to admit just how fukked he actually was... He was arrogant, aloof, a tyrant.... But these sorts of people have a particular mind-set and psychology which, as you say, they have to retain in order to maintain their authority, Bush and B-Liar knew that, so found it easy to manipulate it and by extension then prove their self-perpetuated theory....

 

Let's not forget where this guy was captured, not in some underground, "Dr Evil"-type compound, he was found in a hole in the desert, dirty, unshaven, half-starved..... This is just the proof of the lies that the US and UK told...... -_- And this is the proof that Bush and Blair are liars, murderers and war criminals....