Whilst I have nop real love for Simon Cowell - this has been a spiteful campaign against an 18 Year old who is just trying to pursue a dream. Only in England could this happen. The person who started this is obviously a pathetic loser who is unable to make a success in his own life and the rest of the people who brought this song are just as big suckers as those who buy all the X Factor songs.

 

:manson: Clueless Muppet. :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

:manson: Clueless Muppet. :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

 

I agree... An even bigger Muppet than Fozzy or Gonzo..... :rolleyes:

 

No one "spitefully" went after Joe McElderry... The only spite on show came from Cowell's stage-managed bullsh!t from the Scum Offices yesterday..... So, if the poster wants to lay the blame on someone, well, look no further than Mr Cowell, and to a lesser extent, McElderry himself for being dumbass enough to go along with it......

Not only is complaining to the OCC because you lost pathetic

 

WE lost??? :blink:

 

I for one wanted RATM to be No.1, but the manner in which they did is what is pathetic. Their "fans" cannot say they won the battle fair and square, and as for gloating about all the money going to Shelter, well they could have donated the same amount by downloading the track just the once and donating the rest directly. That itself would have been fair and admirable, but they showed themselves up to be as manipulative as Cowell when it comes to the charts.

 

TIME FOR A NEW ERA OF MUSIC.

 

RAGE AGAINST THE MACHINE HAVE DONE IT.

 

THIS SHOWS THAT PLENTY OF PEOPLE OUT THERE WANT DECENT MUSIC, NOT MANUFACTURED BOLLOCKS FROM SIMON COWELL'S JOKE OF A TV SHOW.

 

ZACK DE LA ROCHA, TOM MORELLO, BRAD WILK, TIME COMMERFORD. remember those names, they have done more for music than Joe or Simon ever will.

 

RATM getting to No.1 will not change the music industry in this country one iota. Radio stations will continue to play the same songs by the same artists week after week and pop fans will continue to buy in the same manner, and so will fans of RATM and the like who don't actually care about the charts the 51 other weeks of the year.

I bet you can see his Ego from Space! I regard him as an over-rated joke, who

fools those who ought to be able to think for themselves - but can't. (Or can - but

would rather let Simon do it for them).

 

 

I agree with you but he is far from a joke. No one is laughing at him, no one thinks he's a fool. He's a shrewd merciless self-promoter.

RATM getting to No.1 will not change the music industry in this country one iota. Radio stations will continue to play the same songs by the same artists week after week and pop fans will continue to buy in the same manner, and so will fans of RATM and the like who don't actually care about the charts the 51 other weeks of the year.

 

You know why RATM fans dont care about the charts, BECAUSE OF THE MUSIC IN THE CHARTS IS BULL$h!t. It is only for casual music fans, the sort of people who watch that dreadful programme called The X Factor, i'm not saying if you dont like RATM you arent a real fan of music, but the majority of people who do, DO ACTUALLY CARE FOR REAL MUSIC. People interested in charts tend to be deluded fools who buy into $h!t like the x factor, which is what the campaign is about.

I wonder has this campaign boosted much album sales for them?

WE lost??? :blink:

 

I for one wanted RATM to be No.1, but the manner in which they did is what is pathetic. Their "fans" cannot say they won the battle fair and square, and as for gloating about all the money going to Shelter, well they could have donated the same amount by downloading the track just the once and donating the rest directly. That itself would have been fair and admirable, but they showed themselves up to be as manipulative as Cowell when it comes to the charts.

 

Simon's fans were downloading and buying multiple copies so I'd say all was fair in love and charts.

 

Norma

You know why RATM fans dont care about the charts, BECAUSE OF THE MUSIC IN THE CHARTS IS BULL$h!t. It is only for casual music fans, the sort of people who watch that dreadful programme called The X Factor, i'm not saying if you dont like RATM you arent a real fan of music, but the majority of people who do, DO ACTUALLY CARE FOR REAL MUSIC. People interested in charts tend to be deluded fools who buy into $h!t like the x factor, which is what the campaign is about.

 

 

I agree. There's loads of music out there that is never heard in the charts because it isn't pomoted. People who think the charts are a barometer of what's popular have blinkers on. It's a barometer of what has sold insufficualt quantities from the tiny fraction of the stuff that was actually commercially promoted in a given week.

 

 

Think of it this way.

 

Less than 10% of music released gets into the charts. In the UK alone there's several scenes out there where thousands of bands are playing weekly, releasing tracks on their websites, on My Space and some on cd and vinyl too. There's whole back catalogues available from most artists that have ever been successful - either available to download illegaly or legally. There are music lovers from the age of 12 to the oldest people who are still able to hear listening to stuff that doesn't get played on the radio or on TMF or MTV Dance, investigatig the roots of a type of music they like, trawling the internet for sources, scouring their old brother's record collection, listening to djs set lists...all to find music that will never appear on this forum.

 

Why? Because people love music and it's not confined to release dates or who ever it is Simon Cowell has on X Factor this week.

 

The advent of limitless downloads has shown up the self-perptuating nature of the charts too - songs get played more so they sell more so they get played more.....just look at Chasing Cars and Sex on Fire....

Edited December 20, 200915 yr by tonyttt31

Article in the Independent re the number one.

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertai...ot-1846247.html

 

Quite a lengthy article but I was interested in the last paragraph:

 

A BBC spokesperson said Radio 1 and Radio 6 would continue to play the clean edit of “Killing in the Name” which cuts out the 17 swearwords at the end of the song. Radio Two will not play the Rage track but will play McElderry.

 

I find this disgusting ... how dare BBC Radio 2 ... an organisation funded by the public not play what the public wants as its number 1? They could play the clean edit but choose not to play it at all. Mind you ... at least Cowell can't continue to accuse the BBC of 'bias'.

 

Norma

Edited December 20, 200915 yr by Norma_Snockers

I am as anti Cowell as a man as you are but I also believe in fair play and multiple downloads, cheat codes being exchanged over Twitter, foreigners buying songs for the UK chart etc are stuff that not even Karl Rove would resort to, if RATM campaign had played by the rules I would be happy for them and congratulate whereas now I hope the OCC investigate and disqualify RATM, it's not about being a Cowell fanboy its about preserving the integrity of the charts

So are you trying to suggest that nobody from outside the UK ordered the Joe CD from the UK HMV / Amazon etc. websites?

Simon Cowell has been moaning that the BBC has been backing the RATM Song.

He says that the TV Company should not be biased, & that backing RATM gives

them an unfair advantage over Joe.

 

He is unbelieveably hypocritical. He uses ITV to Promote his Acts as much as

possible. For Years he's used the 'X Factor' to showcase Songs from Westlife &

Il Divo, & more recently Leona Lewis, & Alexandra Burke.

Not to mention the amount of time devoted to discussing X-Factor on what is meant to be the BBC Chart Show.

my article on this :o

 

http://poplovedance.blogspot.com/2009/12/m...lfunctions.html

I agree with all of that - apart from the fact that I don't watch X-Factor so can't comment on whether Joe deserved to win

He's probably been spoon fed the answers to predetermined questions. :/

I suspect he knew last night that he was likely to be at number two so he will have had time to prepare answers to some obvious questions. At least he acknowledged that the campaign wasn't some sort of vendetta against him.

My issue with the X-Factor and Simon Cowell's approach to the music industry is that the music itself is such a low priority in the process. The X-Factor is undeniably a great concept for television and, as it is a tv show, the music produced is aimed squarely at the millions of people who solely have a casual interest in the music industry but have a huge interest in settling down in front of the tv on a Saturday night.

 

There's been a lot of talk this week about the RATM song appealing to 'real music' fans, I'd suggest that it actually just appeals to real 'music fans' instead. We just don't want the music industry to be dictated by people who only see the charts and songs as a byproduct of their process to make money when we can back a true musician (whether that be rock acts RATM, Radiohead etc or pop acts like Gaga or Gwen Stefani etc), we just want the music to be written from the hearts of the acts and not the pockets of the machines. Everyone would recognise that the Christmas chart has been a traditional point of interest for UK music fans, I think it's self explanatory why those music fans would not want the chart dictated every year by a tv show and would want to attempt to reclaim it. It's really not spiteful in the slightest.

Edited December 20, 200915 yr by Dandy*

I agree with all of that - apart from the fact that I don't watch X-Factor so can't comment on whether Joe deserved to win

 

he defintiely did, but he needed a decent original song, suited to his strengths

 

and he got a one-size-fits-all Miley Cyrus cover :/

Whilst I have nop real love for Simon Cowell - this has been a spiteful campaign against an 18 Year old who is just trying to pursue a dream. Only in England could this happen. The person who started this is obviously a pathetic loser who is unable to make a success in his own life and the rest of the people who brought this song are just as big suckers as those who buy all the X Factor songs.

 

why are you making it personal? you are falling for this simon cowell PR. he tried to make seem like an attack on joe but it isn't, simon is the one calling the people buying the track bullies. he is the one attacking any competition and freedom to challenge the xmas number #1. the man has absolute no shame in the way he uses and twist situations to benefit himself. why can't he and joe be satisfied with a number #2. FFS simon doesn't have a divine right to number #1s.

Edited December 20, 200915 yr by Bullet Wolf

Congrats to the half million sheep that downloaded the song and continue to spoil the tradition of Xmas #1, and for lining the Cowell's pockets even more ;)

he defintiely did, but he needed a decent original song, suited to his strengths

 

and he got a one-size-fits-all Miley Cyrus cover :/

It's just an awful song and even the best singer in the world isn't going to change that.

I agree. There's loads of music out there that is never heard in the charts because it isn't pomoted. People who think the charts are a barometer of what's popular have blinkers on. It's a barometer of what has sold insufficualt quantities from the tiny fraction of the stuff that was actually commercially promoted in a given week.

Think of it this way.

 

Less than 10% of music released gets into the charts. In the UK alone there's several scenes out there where thousands of bands are playing weekly, releasing tracks on their websites, on My Space and some on cd and vinyl too. There's whole back catalogues available from most artists that have ever been successful - either available to download illegaly or legally. There are music lovers from the age of 12 to the oldest people who are still able to hear listening to stuff that doesn't get played on the radio or on TMF or MTV Dance, investigatig the roots of a type of music they like, trawling the internet for sources, scouring their old brother's record collection, listening to djs set lists...all to find music that will never appear on this forum.

 

Why? Because people love music and it's not confined to release dates or who ever it is Simon Cowell has on X Factor this week.

 

The advent of limitless downloads has shown up the self-perptuating nature of the charts too - songs get played more so they sell more so they get played more.....just look at Chasing Cars and Sex on Fire....

 

love this post, it is exactly how i feel about the music industry.

spoil the tradition of Xmas #1? you mean the tradition of seeing bland x-factor tracks at #1. whats xmasy about that? nothing! sony bosses make the money not simon, he works for them not the other way round. his label Syco has nothing to do with RATM track, some of the proceeds are going to shelter charity.

 

if anything this proves next time maybe a xmas type track could take on x-factor brand cause the RATM campaign have shown it is possible to have a traditional chart battle for xmas #1.