Guys, I see this is a big issue.

 

Mods, please don't jump on my throat, but why don't you do some polls for these new rules, so you can see what people's real opinions are. If the majority vote YES for one of the rules it'll take effect. If for one of the rules the majority says no, it won't take effect.

 

I can see some rules being implemented into BJSC but some are maybe too much.

As a side-note, is one of the strongest issues here the threat of disqualification? Because I think I have potentially seen room for compromise...

 

Probably the threat of disqualification (especially midway through voting which surely you understand would be an absolute nightmare) and this mod team "ban list" which just really just seems a step too far.

lol so much drama :drama:

 

and I am on mod side...I'm tired of knowing the winner song right after reservations are open which it has happened since XVIII.

Well that isn't anything to do with the song being cheap. *cough*Margaret Berger, Agnes, Royksopp & Robyn*cough* (to name just a few who wouldn't be classed cheap at all but people predicted to be winners at least when the semi's started...)

 

This is why it'd be best if people like particular songs they shouldn't be allowed to hype it until at least the final week. That's what NF's are for at the end of the day. (Yes I know i'm guilty for it sometimes before anyone comments :P)

 

As a side-note, is one of the strongest issues here the threat of disqualification? Because I think I have potentially seen room for compromise...

That's the one I (personally) mostly have a problem with. But Peter also has a point with the mod ban list thing...

Well that isn't anything to do with the song being cheap. *cough*Margaret Berger, Agnes, Royksopp & Robyn*cough* (to name just a few who wouldn't be classed cheap at all but people predicted to be winners at least when the semi's started...)

 

This is why it'd be best if people like particular songs they shouldn't be allowed to hype it until at least the final week. That's what NF's are for at the end of the day. (Yes I know i'm guilty for it sometimes before anyone comments :P)

 

I'm talking about last 4-5 contests...I wish to have again the contest like when Margaret or Agnes won, now everything is predictable which is not a bad thing but still why announce the winner before even reservations starts.

I'm talking about last 4-5 contests...I wish to have again the contest like when Margaret or Agnes won, now everything is predictable which is not a bad thing but still why announce the winner before even reservations starts.

 

Agnes was the most predictable contest ever alongside Marina and Eva :lol:

Also, a few people had said, I think Jonjo did, that they did in fact DISCOVER 'Hollywood' via this contest, I think a few other people said they did as well. So, 'Hollywood' has actually fit the criteria of "discovering new music." Also, I know a lot of people say as long as ONE person has fallen in love with their song due to them sending it then it's deemed a success, so therefore people can't complain about 'Hollywood' if people haved discovered through this contest.

I'm sure Love Story and Jai Ho were the discoveries for at least one/two person/people as well :P But that doesn't make them in the same league with Hollywood.

 

If a song is hyped to be a SMASH and is currently on the release schedule and sung by a hyped artist ... one week after which you would've discovered this song anyway through radio/TV isn't really such a big gap to write this discovery onto BJSC account IMO. TECHNICALLY though this would be the BJSC discovery after all.

Edited January 19, 201015 yr by Pavgleek

I would given "Defying Gravity" my 12 :kink:

Too bad it was already entered :P

I'm sure Love Story and Jai Ho were the discoveries for at least one/two person/people as well :P But that doesn't make them in the same league with Hollywood.

 

If a song is hyped to be a SMASH and is currently on the release schedule and sung by a hyped artist ... one week after which you would've discovered this song anyway through radio/TV isn't really such a big gap to write this discovery onto BJSC account IMO. TECHNICALLY though this would be the BJSC discovery after all.

 

yeah I agree, for me personally, when I think about discovering new music via this contest I don't mean discovering a hyped song a week before I otherwise would have done, I mean discovering something I wouldn't have had the chance to hear without this contest :lol: if it's quite a few months gap then fair enough as the sender wouldn't have known they were likely to smash, a la Release Me, Boys & Girls, I Don't Know/The Fear, Knock You Down, Hurtful etc...but if it's literally the week before Radio 1 playlist it (and it's obvious that they are going to do so), it's quite a different thing altogether...

 

I'm quite interested to see how these rules affect the contest, I won't say I agree with every part of the new rules 100% because I don't but it's not like it's going to affect any of my entries - well maybe it would have done had Jungle Drum unexpectedly smashed but I didn't really research the song before confirming so had no idea it had just received a soft UK release :lol:

I'm sure Love Story and Jai Ho were the discoveries for at least one/two person/people as well :P But that doesn't make them in the same league with Hollywood.

 

If a song is hyped to be a SMASH and is currently on the release schedule and sung by a hyped artist ... one week after which you would've discovered this song anyway through radio/TV isn't really such a big gap to write this discovery onto BJSC account IMO. TECHNICALLY though this would be the BJSC discovery after all.

 

Marina was confirmed by the end of 2009 or the very beginning of 2010 by AaronTM; I don't recall hearing or seeing 'Hollywood' on TV or Radio at that time. The discovery isn't made in the final, so therefore the whole being discovered one week before is a bit pointless. Also, there are a few people who come from countries outside of the UK (like yourself), but they don't follow British charts, or hyped British acts, therefore making a 'Hollywood' a great discovery for them!

 

Aren't you therefore reducing the amount of top quality discoveries they are making by banning these songs? Just because a few people have complained "it's not like it used to be". I think this rule is more of people who are more authoritative being allowed to throw their weight round for the contest to suit them, which personally I think is unfair.

 

Marina was confirmed by the end of 2009 or the very beginning of 2010 by AaronTM; I don't recall hearing or seeing 'Hollywood' on TV or Radio at that time. The discovery isn't made in the final, so therefore the whole being discovered one week before is a bit pointless. Also, there are a few people who come from countries outside of the UK (like yourself), but they don't follow British charts, or hyped British acts, therefore making a 'Hollywood' a great discovery for them!

 

Aren't you therefore reducing the amount of top quality discoveries they are making by banning these songs? Just because a few people have complained "it's not like it used to be". I think this rule is more of people who are more authoritative being allowed to throw their weight round for the contest to suit them, which personally I think is unfair.

The confirmation closed on January 3rd i think. But anyway people usually listen to songs in the semis time, not prior to the confirmation very end (most of people though). Hollywood has been playlisted on December 16th. Do the maths.

This is EXACTLY why Love Story and Jai Ho should be then called a discovery as well (for those people who don't follow British music much) yet nobody calls them that. Not that i try to say Hollywood was cheap - not to the extent of the former two songs anyway...

The confirmation closed on January 3rd i think. But anyway people usually listen to songs in the semis time, not prior to the confirmation very end (most of people though). Hollywood has been playlisted on December 16th. Do the maths.

This is EXACTLY why Love Story and Jai Ho should be then called a discovery as well (for those people who don't follow British music much) yet nobody calls them that. Not that i try to say Hollywood was cheap - not to the extent of the former two songs anyway...

 

I haven't ever stated they're not discoveries for people :mellow: If someone wanted to send them, they should be allowed; you can't say 'Love Story' and 'Jai Ho' have single-handedly destroyed anyones like for this contest?

 

If people are against hyped songs winning the contest why do they vote for it? Surely not voting for these 'cheap' songs, (like people did with 'Love Story' which didn't do as well as if people were voting for the songs they love) to miss the final or finish bottom ten in the final will deter people from sending them, instead of this utterly ridiculous rule or banning songs, disqualifying people and having to appeal!?! I mean, I like the contest, it was fun, but I really couldn't be bothered to go through the hassle of appealing for my song to stay in the contest as quite frankly, I have better things to do and I'd rather pull out altogether.

 

 

The confirmation closed on January 3rd i think. But anyway people usually listen to songs in the semis time, not prior to the confirmation very end (most of people though). Hollywood has been playlisted on December 16th. Do the maths.

This is EXACTLY why Love Story and Jai Ho should be then called a discovery as well (for those people who don't follow British music much) yet nobody calls them that. Not that i try to say Hollywood was cheap - not to the extent of the former two songs anyway...

 

OK, but I could use this excuse in a different way.

 

Eligible to be entered into this contest are:

 

Leona - Bleeding Love

Rihanna - Umbrella

Sugababes - Push The Button

Britney Spears - Toxic

 

should people so wish.

 

Ineligible to be entered are:

 

Mumford & Sons - The Cave

Jay Sean Ft. Sean Paul & Lil’ Jon - Do You Remember?

Chiddy Bang - Opposite Of Adults

Paolo Nutini - 10/10

 

I can guarantee you, the top 4 would finish in the top 10, the bottom 4 would DNQ. See the issue now? :D

Push The Button was already entered by Ashton :heehee: it came top 10

OH YES. Well you get my point :P

OK, but I could use this excuse in a different way.

 

Eligible to be entered into this contest are:

 

Leona - Bleeding Love

Rihanna - Umbrella

Sugababes - Push The Button

Britney Spears - Toxic

 

should people so wish.

 

Ineligible to be entered are:

 

Mumford & Sons - The Cave

Jay Sean Ft. Sean Paul & Lil’ Jon - Do You Remember?

Chiddy Bang - Opposite Of Adults

Paolo Nutini - 10/10

 

I can guarantee you, the top 4 would finish in the top 10, the bottom 4 would DNQ. See the issue now? :D

I've always seen the issue tbh. Won't go deeper into this discussion tbh though as i really have much better things to do plus my thoughts got tangled 3 times already :lol: So i will leave it as it is.

 

I'm just curious to see if these rules work.

 

edit__ like yeah Push The Button has JUST been entered, what could happen after 2 years?! nothing.

Edited January 19, 201015 yr by Pavgleek

lol you really can't please everyone...I repeat again...I'm for this rule just for the sake of this contest, I wanna enjoy and be excited when the results show comes, I wanna hear at least 20-25 songs per contest that I have never heard before etc etc...okay sounds selfish, right? :P

OH YES. Well you get my point :P

 

yeah I do, I don't think banning everything on the Radio 1 playlist is the way to go about it as it throws up obvious problems like those you just mentioned, maybe just ban all females on the Radio 1 playlist :heehee:

 

I'm glad I'm not a mod now (thank god) as I don't know what I'd do in this situation...there is no way to 'erase cheap' as what's cheap to one person isn't cheap to somebody else, like Casey said, Hollywood is hardly cheap to somebody like Jerick or Zech, unless Marina has a huge early following in Norway and Germany :lol: I personally of course would prefer to see less uninspired entries as this is why I participate in BJSC - to discover brand new music, unknown to most, that I likely wouldn't have heard before...however the disqualifying an entry mid way through a contest/appealing to the mods to see if a song is permitted to be in the contest bit is a bit drastic. Banning the iTunes top 40 could have all sorts of problems - I could go for the most unknown and inspired song ever but if suddenly a contestant sang it on X Factor or it was featured in an advert and it clicked with the public and flew into the top 20 on iTunes, would I suddenly be disqualified from the contest?

 

If it was my decision and the rules had to be changed, I would have had maybe a fixed banlist each month of three unnecessary entries (e.g. On A Mission, Try Sleeping With A Broken Heart, and Starry Eyed for this month - purely because most people already know and have made their opinions on these songs) along with obviously the top 3 artists from the previous month - making only 6 songs ineligible to be sent for that month yet eradicating the most extreme cheapness at the same time, to no real inconvenience...

 

but we'll see how it all pans out in XXIV - if it's a success then fine and if it's a failure then I expect the original rules will be brought back or the new rules will be softened somewhat...

I think these rules should definitely be placed on a trial period. I do think BJSC has lost its spark a bit recently, when three of the most recent contest people have been correctly predicting the winner before reservation has even opened.... As someone who's never sent a song which would be one the banlist, I don't see why it's so hard to send something that isn't one of a few songs. It's not as if there aren't millions of songs out there and that music is hard to discover.

Maybe the mods should shortlist songs for the additional ban list and then everyone should vote on which they want on the list, that way people mightn't feel like their entries are being dictated by the mods.

I think these rules should definitely be placed on a trial period. I do think BJSC has lost its spark a bit recently, when three of the most recent contest people have been correctly predicting the winner before reservation has even opened.... As someone who's never sent a song which would be one the banlist, I don't see why it's so hard to send something that isn't one of a few songs. It's not as if there aren't millions of songs out there and that music is hard to discover.

 

I agree with all of this 100% - the contest has now become about who can reserve the inevitable winner first rather than who can find the best original song - I think a lot of people have got too wrapped up in wanting to win and do well that song choice is now a secondary matter :( what reward is there in winning with a song everybody already knows? I really don't see the appeal of it or what there is to gain, other than perhaps getting your name on the stats thread or getting a star and badge in your profile :lol: I'd prefer to come 10th with a completely original song than to send Gabriella Cilmi's newie and win