The move from guitar to synths or whatever for Editors really didn't work out.

 

The album was #1, but it immediately dropped to #12 and spent a total of 5 weeks in the top 100 then a further two recently due to the release of You Don't Know Love.

 

 

chart longevity doesnt necessarily mean the album is poor!!

I definitely appreciate it when artists do something different, Lily Allen moved on from ska-pop to more electronic pop and it worked well, Paolo Nutini went from a 19 year old to a 69 year old in the space of 18 months and reaped the rewards :kink:

 

Having said that, Kelly Clarkson's Breakaway was one of my favourite albums of the 00's, My December was incredibly different but I didn't like it half as much because melodies seemed to be lacking in places. But then she reverted back to the Breakaway sound on All I Ever Wanted and I didn't like it anywhere near as much as My December because it seemed completely inauthentic reverting back to what made her money when a couple of years previously she was saying 'I'm going my own way, I'm taking control' etc...it's not a bad pop album at all but it feels completely soulless in comparison to My December, and even Breakaway which had it's raw moments (Beautiful Disaster live for one). Already Gone for example seems too over produced for me to feel any particular connection with them, same with most Ryan Tedder ballads though, they're a bit hollow :lol:

 

I definitely appreciated Rihanna's different direction, I'm probably alone here but I prefer Rated R to Good Girl Gone Bad! Both are great for completely different reasons though.

^^

I haven't even heard Rated R but I know I prefer it to Good Girl Gone Bad. :D

chart longevity doesnt necessarily mean the album is poor!!

 

I didn't say anything about quality - I personally don't think the new sound is good anyway. but I was referring to 'not working out' as in 'failing in the charts'.

i thought the topic was talking about change in direction and not chart position which is why our comments both got mixed up.

 

i love their new direction though!!

^^

I haven't even heard Rated R but I know I prefer it to Good Girl Gone Bad. :D

 

Listen it on youtube. Listen to Photographs and Fire Bomb they're best songs on Rated R.

Many cynics have said (and will say) that.

 

She said in an interview a while ago that her intention was to move into Electronica etc but thought it would be logical to do a retro-style album first to make it chronological. She was also inspired by lot's of 'old' music so it was probably inevitable.

 

Christina, believe me, is not one to follow the crowd. She's working with non-commercial artists such as Ladytron and visual artist Sia. GaGa, as much as i respect her, works with the more mainstream artists, producers etc - which isn't a bad thing but i'm just pointing out that GaGa isn't the shepherd guiding the sheep, contrary to what many believe. GaGa is one of the sheep :lol:

 

If your post was an attempt at irony, then it has not translated well.

 

However, if you meant what you have just posted then you have made yourself look very silly indeed.

 

Firstly, her main producer RedOne was more or less an unknown producer with no major hits to his name before working with former Pussycat Dolls; Britney Spears; Fergie & New Kids On the Block songwriter Stefani Germanotta on her attempt at a solo career.

 

Since collaborating with Lady GaGa and co-writting Just Dance; Poker Face; LoveGame & (later) Bad Romance, RedOne has produced the following major hit singles:

 

Enrique Iglesias ft Ciara "Takin' Back My Love"

Alexandra Burke "Broken Heels"

Little Boots "Remedy"

Sean Kingston "Fire Burning"

Sugababes "About a Girl"

Various Artists "We Are The World (25 For Haiti)"

 

Whilst her secondary producer Space Cowboy was a former protegee of Norman Cook (Fatboy Slim, etc), who had only produced over a decade underground electronic dance remixes. So hardly famous producers beforehand.

 

Secondly, before Lady GaGa came along with her distinctive synth pop electronica, mainstream pop music was dominated by R'n'B/Urban sounds; Coldplay-lite adult contemporary pop/rock & and post Amy Winehouse retro soul. Yet now you have most pop acts going for a similar GaGa electronic synth pop sound as it is now in vogue when it was not prior to GaGa.

 

Thirdly, prior to Lady GaGa no major current pop act was attempting to put the sense of evolving fashion via a very strong chameleon like visual image back into music & image that pioneers like David Bowie; Blondie's Deborah Harry; Grace Jones & Queen's Freddie Mercury did in the distant past; and a very 1980s dramatic cartoonish sense of videos that were used by the likes of Prince; Duran Duran (see Arcadia video below); Queen; Madonna; Adam Ant; etc.

 

 

Lastly, with regards your Xtina v GaGa quote, I think you are forgetting that in the USA "Just Dance" was released in April 2008; "Poker Face" was released in September 2008 a month after the US release of the album "The Fame".

 

Whilst this video (below) was released in the last week of October 2008.

 

 

Very GaGa in look and sound if you ask me. So chronologically it is a case of Christina Aguilera ripping off Lady GaGa's "sound and vision" not the other way around.

Two of the best albums of last year - "Primary Colours" by The Horrors and "In This Light and On This Evening" by Editors involved pretty major changes in musical direction, and Goldfrapp never really does the same thing twice... So, it often works wonders, so long as it's not gimmicky and just a band trying to jump on a particular bandwagon..

 

This whole "electronica" thing that Christina Aguilera is doing could just be a big gimmick, I dunno, she doesn't seem like the likely person to go down the Ladytron/Goldfrapp route, is this her maybe trying to catch up to Lady Ga Ga.....? Will treat this with caution....

On the other hand though, sometimes "back to basics" is a good thing for a lot of bands, eg, Metallica....

That helps to underline my earlier point. Editors needed to do someting to give their career a boost after a disappointing second album. As far as I am concerned, they achieved it but they didn't get much radio airplay bcause the second album didn't perform well. Unfortunately, any band who perform badly with one album will struggle to get airplay for the next album however good it might be.

Editors are at that sort of cult stage now I think. Themselves and a lot of the bands from 2004/2005 have fallen a bit out of favour at the moment with the charts. I don't think Editors will really have that much chart success again, but they're still the sort of band that will sell out on their tour and play to large crowds at festivals etc. - so they're bt no means in a radical need of changing their sound.

 

I think artists have to change theirn sound. Sometimes it doesn't always work for the better, but it annoys me when artists and record companies think they can release a carbon copy of a previous successful album and expect it to sell very well. There are exceptions to this rule (James Morrison for one) of course, but artists re-inventing themselves and changing their style on albums needs to happen. The thing is these days the music business is very ruthless. A few years back Mariah Carey, Christina etc. ruled the charts - and now the batons been passed to the likes of Lady GaGa and Ke$ha. Unless Christina comes back with something MASSIVE I think she will flop. Times have changed, and very few bands and artists can actually withstand the changeover of music these days.

Change is good :) if I heard "Speed of sound" and "Life in technicolour II" for the first time, back to back, then I'd've never guessed that they were both Coldplay songs.

The move from guitar to synths or whatever for Editors really didn't work out.

 

The album was #1, but it immediately dropped to #12 and spent a total of 5 weeks in the top 100 then a further two recently due to the release of You Don't Know Love.

 

And...? Doesn't mean it aint a good record... Just means that some of their fans didn't get it, or couldn't handle the fact that a "guitar band" might want to experiment with synths or a different style, their loss really, let them listen to their Oasis or Stereophonics records which ALL SOUND THE BLEEDIN' SAME... :rolleyes: Creatively it damn well did work out.. It's a fantastic record, by far the best one they've put out IMO...

 

Their concerts are doing fine.. Two sold-out shows at the Brixton Academy coming up in March....

Many cynics have said (and will say) that.

 

She said in an interview a while ago that her intention was to move into Electronica etc but thought it would be logical to do a retro-style album first to make it chronological. She was also inspired by lot's of 'old' music so it was probably inevitable.

 

Christina, believe me, is not one to follow the crowd. She's working with non-commercial artists such as Ladytron and visual artist Sia. GaGa, as much as i respect her, works with the more mainstream artists, producers etc - which isn't a bad thing but i'm just pointing out that GaGa isn't the shepherd guiding the sheep, contrary to what many believe. GaGa is one of the sheep :lol:

 

Sorry, but that sounds like a complete load of balls to me..... :lol: :lol: As is your closing remark about Ga Ga, which simply doesn't bear out the facts...

 

If Christina was any kind of genuine "pioneer" of Pop music as you seem to imply, she wouldn't have waited.. Nah, she waited for the likes of Ladytron, Goldfrapp, Client and Lady Ga Ga to create and test-drive the Electro bandwagon for her to jump on....

 

I'm in total agreement with Richard on this one, she's a fake...

That helps to underline my earlier point. Editors needed to do someting to give their career a boost after a disappointing second album.

 

I dunno why people diss "And End Has A Start" tbh... They clearly developed their sound from "The Back Room" to that album and came up with a bigger, more epic sound... If you ask me it's damn sight of a better album than any pish that Coldplay has ever released, yet everyone kisses their arses...

I do appreciate it as long as it's something that work for them... but I don't always enjoy it. For exampler I am hating Rihanna's new heavy direction... I like her poppier. In fact the only song I like from this era is Rude Boy (which is like the catchier song on that album!)

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Stick to what your best at imo.

My favourite artist is Tori Amos, i cant think of anyone who has gone in as many directions as her. from the soulful yet earnest piano music of little earthquakes/under the pink to the personal growth experience of boys for pele.

 

boys for pele is that album where even tori amos sights it as the album if she hadn't done she wouldn't be the artist she is. messing with song structures, styles ect, then giving it over to dance remixers to show she can even pull of dance music (pro widow, in the springtime of his voodoo).

 

then she jumps ship again and makes a rock/eletronica album and almost leaves the piano behind. from the choirgirl hotel is tori's female rock album and yet again she nailed it. after that she went totally electronic and synths for to venus and back.

 

just when you think she had nowhere to go, she does an album of covers from songs written by men but from the womens perspective (98 bonnie and clyde, is toris take on eminems hit, but she ghostly talks through the song as the dead wife in the boot of the trunk).

 

then it was easy listening, adult music for scarlets walk and the beekeeper, before changing again for american doll posse, a camp rock album but with tori's twist on it.

 

then this winter she turns her hand to re-writting carols and making her own winter songs for her 1st seasonal album.

 

i have no idea where tori will go next, but i can gerentee it will be suprise and she will put her tori spin on it and more often than not will make it completely work. thats why i care not what her sales are, but just worship the continued growth and talent of her as an artist.

And...? Doesn't mean it aint a good record... Just means that some of their fans didn't get it, or couldn't handle the fact that a "guitar band" might want to experiment with synths or a different style, their loss really, let them listen to their Oasis or Stereophonics records which ALL SOUND THE BLEEDIN' SAME... :rolleyes: Creatively it damn well did work out.. It's a fantastic record, by far the best one they've put out IMO...

 

Their concerts are doing fine.. Two sold-out shows at the Brixton Academy coming up in March....

 

For god's sake, I did NOT say it's not a good album!

I said it wasn't a SUCCESSFUL album. Nothing to do with anything else.

For god's sake, I did NOT say it's not a good album!

I said it wasn't a SUCCESSFUL album. Nothing to do with anything else.

 

Well, you should've said it that way in the first place mate, and not chosen to focus on the sales or the charts as you did, which is thoroughly irrelevant to the quality of the music, and I take you back to what you said, you said it, and I quote, "really didn't work out", implying very much that you didn't think it was a good album, or a good thing for the band to do in a creative sense....

 

I personally dont care if a record sells 50 records or 50 million, if it's good, it's good, I focus on the music, not sales or chart positions....

 

And "In This Light..." is a fantastic album... One of the best of 2009 as far as I'm concerned....

^^and it got to no1!!! :P

I dunno why people diss "And End Has A Start" tbh... They clearly developed their sound from "The Back Room" to that album and came up with a bigger, more epic sound... If you ask me it's damn sight of a better album than any pish that Coldplay has ever released, yet everyone kisses their arses...

 

 

Well, you should've said it that way in the first place mate, and not chosen to focus on the sales or the charts as you did, which is thoroughly irrelevant to the quality of the music, and I take you back to what you said, you said it, and I quote, "really didn't work out", implying very much that you didn't think it was a good album, or a good thing for the band to do in a creative sense....

 

I personally dont care if a record sells 50 records or 50 million, if it's good, it's good, I focus on the music, not sales or chart positions....

 

And "In This Light..." is a fantastic album... One of the best of 2009 as far as I'm concerned....

But like it or not, as far as the record companies are concerned, it's sales that count. Most bands who experiment with new sounds don't do so until they've had enough success to start doing what they like. I doubt the Pet Shop Boys give a stuff whether their albums sell one copy or a million. Blur were in the same position. But they had to sell in huge quantities before they got the freedom to do what they like.