March 23, 201015 yr you mean " man shall not sleep with fellow man nor beasts of the field[/i]" i think thats pretty clear tbh... In MY religion this does not matter. This is in the old testament and since Jesus came back the old testament it has been disregarded. There are many things it says that will cause you to go to hell in the book of Leviticus, such as something about going to hell if you have sex with a woman on her period, or anything involving sex that is for pleasure and not for reproduction. People that are Christians try to say that the book of Sodom and Gomorrah is what validates that homosexuality is a sin but that book treats having sex without marriage, threesomes, infidelity and homosexual activity all the same. But in all of the examples used for homosexual activity the two people taking part in the sexual activities were not married or committed to each other. Which to ME proves that as long as you are committed to someone then it is not a sin to have sex, whether it be a heterosexual couple or a homosexual one. Most of the people around here hide behind religion to back up their homophobia instead of the other way around.
March 23, 201015 yr Can you source that? I've never seen that one before, but I've seen these ones which have been misinterpreted: Jude 1:7, 1 Timothy 1:9-10, Leviticus 20:13, to name but a few! Anyway Rob, that's the whole thing with the Bible. It's interpreted differently, hence why so many people are against homosexuality, while others are for it because they read the Bible differently. This documentary is probably the most thought-provoking one on homosexuality in the Bible: 04AVRslVRbY There are 9 parts, but it's a good watch. Thanks for the link, I watched that video - it's definitely worth looking in to ^_^
March 23, 201015 yr Author interpretation?.... whats the point in setting out a doctrine in which to live by if it isnt clear?... IF you accept the bible is gods work, and if you believe creation is gods work.. how is that compatible? the sun WILL rise in the morning, if you drop something it WILL fall to earth...gravity isnt optional! 'creation' isnt open to interpretation to anything other then what it is. the laws of nature/physics are quantifiable , they can be measured and are constant. this is my main argument AGAINST any bible, creation vs the holy book... clearly do not have the same author!
March 23, 201015 yr interpretation?.... whats the point in setting out a doctrine in which to live by if it isnt clear?... IF you accept the bible is gods work, and if you believe creation is gods work.. how is that compatible? the sun WILL rise in the morning, if you drop something it WILL fall to earth...gravity isnt optional! 'creation' isnt open to interpretation to anything other then what it is. the laws of nature/physics are quantifiable , they can be measured and are constant. this is my main argument AGAINST any bible, creation vs the holy book... clearly do not have the same author! The bible was made for each individuals own interpretation of it... it says in the bible itself that it can be understood in many ways too many different people. But the basic principles are clear, Jesus died on the cross for our sins, you need to accept that God is your Lord and saviour and not any other idols, etc etc etc. The reason the Christian religion is so messed up is because people judge others and condemn each other on how they think God would think about a certain situation. My God is a very loving God and I don't think for one instant that he is as fire and brimstone as these crazy ho's such as the WBC make him out to be. Have you read the bible? The whole bible basically talks about how God and Jesus constantly try to help those in need, including people that are severely messed up. He would help prostitutes and other people that lived lives of sin and help them and lead them to a correct path, but he wouldn't FORCE them or judge them. And that is why God gets a bad wrap because the crazy religious people make him look bad. Don't look to other Christians to get a good interpretation of God, they are merely people.
March 23, 201015 yr Author The bible was made for each individuals own interpretation of it... it says in the bible itself that it can be understood in many ways too many different people. But the basic principles are clear, Jesus died on the cross for our sins, you need to accept that God is your Lord and saviour and not any other idols, etc etc etc. The reason the Christian religion is so messed up is because people judge others and condemn each other on how they think God would think about a certain situation. My God is a very loving God and I don't think for one instant that he is as fire and brimstone as these crazy ho's such as the WBC make him out to be. Have you read the bible? The whole bible basically talks about how God and Jesus constantly try to help those in need, including people that are severely messed up. He would help prostitutes and other people that lived lives of sin and help them and lead them to a correct path, but he wouldn't FORCE them or judge them. And that is why God gets a bad wrap because the crazy religious people make him look bad. Don't look to other Christians to get a good interpretation of God, they are merely people. yes ive read/studied the bible, i took the bait, i believed in the israelite, until i started to think and examine the doctrine which ultimately proved to be rubbish. and do you know what i find most annoying with it?...its the way the goalposts are constantly being moved in order to prove a point in the very way (with respect) you have here... excuses, always excuses. and the biggest pile of do do is the notion that 'god gave his only son, so that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life'... well, just what DID god do?... give is son to die for our sins?...only once he was mortal he was GOING to die anyway! and die? hold on a mo, isnt he in heaven seated on the right hand side of god?... :lol: thats hardly a sacrifice is it! :rofl: ...and which version of 'god' is the right one anyway? the christian version has no more superior claim to know god then a muslim for eg... maybe god exists, but it sure as hell aint the character that any religion depicts.
March 25, 201015 yr My mum's not religious at all but hates gays and thinks homosexuality should be against the law, as it used to be. She says she could never in a million years have accepted it if I'd been gay or my sister a lesbian. Says it would have killed her. So it's not just about religion. She wouldn't watch the Boyzone tribute last night because of Gateley's sexuality. People with no religious belief's whatsoever are homophobic. sounds a lovely woman.... and a great mother, too. :unsure: And BLVD - post of the week - SPOT ON.
March 30, 201015 yr Religion is behind homphobia imo, but it definitely isn't only religious people who are homophobes. The fact that religion effectively made being gay illegal is the cause of this problem I think, so obviously it has spread throughout everyone. That, along with it not being the "norm", are the two main problems here. That said, I think in 50 years or so the opinions of the majority of people will have changed. I bet if you were to do a poll of how many people are homophobic in different age ranges, the percentages would get less and less the younger you get. I'm a gay 20 year old and I've never experienced any problems with people regarding my sexuality with people around my age - be them straight girls or boys. As for people who are homophobic and then say it's against their religion, well that's a load of bollocks because I bet only a tiny minority could say they've never had sex before marriage, and never used a condom, for example.
March 30, 201015 yr I'm a Christian. I reckon that if one goes to the Bible with any agenda, one could prove one's point by careful selection of texts from the sixty odd books of which it comprises, written by many different people and reinterpreted by many different translators over the years. They reflect the customs and attitudes of the eras they were written in as well as recounting history. IMO the message of the New Testament is acceptance, inclusion and forgiveness.
March 31, 201015 yr Author I'm a Christian. I reckon that if one goes to the Bible with any agenda, one could prove one's point by careful selection of texts from the sixty odd books of which it comprises, written by many different people and reinterpreted by many different translators over the years. They reflect the customs and attitudes of the eras they were written in as well as recounting history. IMO the message of the New Testament is acceptance, inclusion and forgiveness. ....... which pretty much makes the bible useless as a text to live by created by the hand of god. 'creation' is not ambiguous, the laws of nature are fixed eg 1 + 1 = 2. which is why 'creation' and the bible do not have the same author, god can do anything he wants to, hes supposed to love us so much yet unlike the created world his lifeline to the worlds population is a nebulous, contradictory, unclear, work.
April 1, 201015 yr ....... which pretty much makes the bible useless as a text to live by created by the hand of god. 'creation' is not ambiguous, the laws of nature are fixed eg 1 + 1 = 2. which is why 'creation' and the bible do not have the same author, god can do anything he wants to, hes supposed to love us so much yet unlike the created world his lifeline to the worlds population is a nebulous, contradictory, unclear, work. Why do you think it is impossible for the same author to be responsible for the creation of works of differing natures? That's like saying a director of a true-life film cannot create a work of fiction or a portrait artist cannot produce an abstract. Admitted, it seems unlikely, but not impossible.
April 1, 201015 yr Author Why do you think it is impossible for the same author to be responsible for the creation of works of differing natures? That's like saying a director of a true-life film cannot create a work of fiction or a portrait artist cannot produce an abstract. Admitted, it seems unlikely, but not impossible. because its not about art or artistic interpretation, its deadly serious, the salvation of mankind is something god HAD to get right.... and given the incredible accuracy found in natural/physical laws (creation) it should have been p*** easy for big g...
April 1, 201015 yr Big mistake was giving mankind free will? Free to (dis)believe, ignore/follow or challenge absolutely all things, including their very existence.
April 1, 201015 yr Author Big mistake was giving mankind free will? Free to (dis)believe, ignore/follow or challenge absolutely all things, including their very existence. id sooner be blessed with free will, a brain, to challenge everything, to explore this wonderful universe and (in your eyes) get it wrong then be born a robot. but free will has nothing to do with the nebulous bible.
April 1, 201015 yr Tbf if anything it should be Satan we should be thanking. Persuading Eve to eat that apple like that, giving us all our knowledge.
April 2, 201015 yr Whenever homosexuality and religion (ie Christianity) are discussed? I'm always left with 2 unanswered questions... According to Christianity, legend and all those bloody preachy hymms we sang in school assemblies, why is it that: 1) if God made me, why did he make me a homosexual if it was sinful and; 2) why did he put the mans g-spot in the anus??? Elton John famously declared God was a homosexual. I think he may be on to something... Edited April 2, 201015 yr by ScottyEm
April 3, 201015 yr Author Whenever homosexuality and religion (ie Christianity) are discussed? I'm always left with 2 unanswered questions... According to Christianity, legend and all those bloody preachy hymms we sang in school assemblies, why is it that: 1) if God made me, why did he make me a homosexual if it was sinful and; 2) why did he put the mans g-spot in the anus??? Elton John famously declared God was a homosexual. I think he may be on to something... i fully agree with the first point but not the second. i think its different for different people, theres nothing about my arsehole that i link to sexual pleasure at all.
April 3, 201015 yr ScottyEm's second point is an actual biological fact. The male 'G-Spot' is something like 2 inches inside your ass, it is also known as the Prostrate Gland
April 3, 201015 yr Even I'd disagree with the second point tbh...I find anal sex pleasurable to an extent, but a lot of the time it just f***ing hurts tbh. :(
April 3, 201015 yr Author ScottyEm's second point is an actual biological fact. The male 'G-Spot' is something like 2 inches inside your ass, it is also known as the Prostrate Gland im saying that not everyone gets pleasure from stimulating the prostate ... and its prostate, not prostrate. my arse is for passing $h!te... tbh i reckon gods having a laugh putting something so pleasurable up there! :lol:
April 3, 201015 yr a stray R don't matter too much :drama: Firefox usually picks em up :heehee: I know not everyone would get pleasure from it, it's obviously subjective like everything in this world
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