Considering the flood of examples I'm seeing i'm now convinced :heehee:

What is 'Andra Chansen' :unsure: :unsure:

'second chance'

 

The DNQ's get a second chance to qualify to the final with all countries involved in the process meaning that songs that 'ended up in the wrong semi' can still get to the final with their supporters/fans then able to vote for them.

Not all DNQ's though! About 5 of them from each semi i think. With last contest's size it'd be ALL DNQs though :heehee:

'second chance'

 

The DNQ's get a second chance to qualify to the final with all countries involved in the process meaning that songs that 'ended up in the wrong semi' can still get to the final with their supporters/fans then able to vote for them.

I don't see the point? I'm not saying it wouldn't work, and I kinda understood why it's being considered, but it just seems to me like a pointless addition to me. They don't do Second Chance for Eurovision, and this is the equivalent of Eurovision. I don't see what it would particularly bring to the contest, other than prolonging it.

'second chance'

 

The DNQ's get a second chance to qualify to the final with all countries involved in the process meaning that songs that 'ended up in the wrong semi' can still get to the final with their supporters/fans then able to vote for them.

Something which would have benefited Ashton in 3 of the past 4 contests

 

 

Not all DNQ's though! About 5 of them from each semi i think. With last contest's size it'd be ALL DNQs though :heehee:

We'd cut the number of Qualifiers from each semi, then send the 5/6/7 after the last qualifier to AC leaving some DNQ's at the SF stage. The top 8 or so from AC would qualify for the final and the remainder would DNQ. The numbers vary on participation.

 

If we had 44 countries competing it would be:

 

2 x AQ

2 x SF's of 21

10 x Til Globen

12 x Til AC [6 from each semi]

10 x DNQ [5 from each semi]

8 x Til Globen from AC

4 x DNQ from AC

1 x Final of 30

I don't see the point? I'm not saying it wouldn't work, and I kinda understood why it's being considered, but it just seems to me like a pointless addition to me. They don't do Second Chance for Eurovision, and this is the equivalent of Eurovision. I don't see what it would particularly bring to the contest, other than prolonging it.

It'd kill the other semi effect.

 

The only thing we have ever nicked from ESC is the points system and the whole countries thing.

Like I say I'm not saying it doesn't work, and it would work, but I don't like how the contest is trying to be turned into Melodifestivalen, it's just an addition for the sake of it. Why fix something that isn't broke - and works fine? Sure - it gives people a chance who may be in the other semi, but that's just unlucky for you if you don't qualify, it's part of the fun of the game - and as far as I see it, if you DNQ, you DNQ - there's no need to prolong it.

If we always did what ESC do we'd already have moved to dropping countries into semis using pots :lol: Oh and don't forget Big 4 too. :kink:

 

On a separate note, Snalla Snalla actually came FIRST in the semi in MF but somehow managed to lose the duel to the 4th placer (I'm not entirely sure about the details of last year's voting tbh) :blink: So i guess it wasn't really one SUCH 'OMG it's impossible' shocker that it finished that high.

For the record, I'm not bothered one way or the other - I was just pointing out how it would work :lol:

 

I'd be quite happy for it to be implemented, but just as happy for things to stay exactly as they are now.

If we always did what ESC do we'd already have moved to dropping countries into semis using pots :lol: Oh and don't forget Big 4 too. :kink:

 

On a separate note, Snalla Snalla actually came FIRST in the semi in MF but somehow managed to lose the duel to the 4th placer (I'm not entirely sure about the details of last year's voting tbh) :blink: So i guess it wasn't really one SUCH 'OMG it's impossible' shocker that it finished that high.

 

ok, Alcazar 2003 and 2005 in MF both qualified through Andra Chansen and finished 3rd in the final despite topping no semis :P so it can work!

 

But yes, Emilia's fans suddenly got themselves into gear at the last minute :lol: or more likely the Caroline haters all voted overwhelmingly for Emilia by default just to keep Snalla Snalla out of the final :heehee:

I wasn't following it at that time so i didn't know (Actually i was even hardly following Eurovision) :kink:

Edited April 6, 201015 yr by Ljósið

Like I say I'm not saying it doesn't work, and it would work, but I don't like how the contest is trying to be turned into Melodifestivalen, it's just an addition for the sake of it. Why fix something that isn't broke - and works fine? Sure - it gives people a chance who may be in the other semi, but that's just unlucky for you if you don't qualify, it's part of the fun of the game - and as far as I see it, if you DNQ, you DNQ - there's no need to prolong it.

MF is still insanely different with duels and what have you. I don't understand MF.

 

If everyone had your attitude we'd still be living in caves. We wouldn't have internet, email, cars, aircraft etc. If it ain't broke that's wonderful, but nothing is perfect. We strive for perfection and making something the best it can be, we are just interested in trying a little experiment to see if it works. And if it works what effect it has on the contest RE participation, enjoyment, overall forum activity etc. There's more to this move than 'prolonging DNQing'. At the end of it we might just end up with a great quality final as opposed to a good quality final with a few duff tracks.

 

Say for example, that track X [pop] gets drawn into SF1. SF1 turns out to be a very indie dominated semi and track X DNQ's by a single point. However, 17 of SF2's participants love it and would have given it points if it had been in SF2, this points total would have seen track X win SF2. The song that beats it by a point in SF1 comes last in the final with 21 points. The track could have gone on to be very successful in the final, but the semi split means it was screwed out of a place by something that came last.

 

AC would give track X a chance to get in the final. With track X's fans in both SF1 and 2 combined the track come 2nd in AC and places 5th in the final.

 

 

Under the caveman it ain't broke method someone just lost a top5 spot.

 

AC will also weed out the how the "hell did that qualify?" entries and pretty much make sure that the best tracks make the final to give us a bloody good contest.

 

 

 

 

As i said, it's just an experiment at the moment to see if it is of any benefit to the contest as a whole and not just a few members.

Okay, but I still have absolutely no idea how the whole thing works as I've never payed any attention to Melodifestivalen, apart from the last 10 minutes of this last one.

 

I just purely don't see the point at all - just an un-needed addition IMO, even if you are only experimenting with it.

Okay, but I still have absolutely no idea how the whole thing works as I've never payed any attention to Melodifestivalen, apart from the last 10 minutes of this last one.

 

I just purely don't see the point at all - just an un-needed addition IMO, even if you are only experimenting with it.

It's just that you only DNQ'd once. You'd have so jumped onto this had you DNQ'd several times in a row now :kink:

So, what do I need to do with my schedule then? How long is this Andra Chansen going to take, seeing as it's going ahead?

So, what do I need to do with my schedule then? How long is this Andra Chansen going to take, seeing as it's going ahead?

We'll get back to you asap on that.

I don't see why AC would have to take any longer than 3/4 days, given that only 12 songs would be involved - as we said, it's an experiment :P The whole 'it ain't broke' approach doesn't particularly work anyway, given you get quite a few complaints about stuff being in the wrong semi every so often...

As a demo of how it would fit:

 

Semi begins on, say, Saturday

Results on Friday, AC opens that night

AC results on Monday, Final opens on Monday

Final results Sunday/Monday

So, how many people vote on this Andra Chansen thing? Everybody? (Sorry, but apart from knowing like 8 people go through or something, I have zero idea how it works.)

Edited April 6, 201015 yr by Robot