I must say I'm not keen on this new idea. I find it hard enough to vote twice in one contest let alone having a third! The songs that don't qualify the first time were obviously never going to win the final so what's the point?

Don't get Phil started on that one tbh :kink:

 

Some song(s) (potential winners maybe) may end up almost only with people who don't like it so it will still have chance in the final! (Although i am now thinking about how people who would've qualified without AC round and fail to get through from the AC would feel? :kink: But once again it means their song was not that good then! This method will get the trash out from the final (well, AQs might still be trash but hey it's out of anyone's jurisdiction :kink: ))

 

I was flooded with examples of how a song can success in the final with being on the verge of qualification, it's not a rarity tbf.

Then why don't we just scrap semi finals all together if we're going to get the chance to vote on the majority of songs anyway?

Then why don't we just scrap semi finals all together if we're going to get the chance to vote on the majority of songs anyway?

Majority? There won't be more than 5/6 songs that will be added to AC from another Semi, i don't see what's the problem with this, surely it's not listening to the whole opposite Semi of about 20 tracks. I think people still don't get that not ALL of DNQ's will be in AC, just those within the neighbourhood with centre being the qualification edge and radius about 3 songs.

Then why don't we just scrap semi finals all together if we're going to get the chance to vote on the majority of songs anyway?

 

You know, I'd actually love this! no semis, no second chance - just a final containing all of the songs which spread out over 2 weeks giving plenty of time for everyone to listen to all of the songs and not missing out on any discoveries. Obviously voting for only 10 songs out of 40-45 would be a bit of a bloodbath though so maybe introduce the ability to give points to 15 songs instead.

 

I know this would never happen but it would save on DNQ's, 'the wrong semi' effect and would simplify the whole process as well for the host and the participants, making it a lot less long winded. And people could send what they truly loved rather than something that 'must qualify to keep up a record' or something...

You know, I'd actually love this! no semis, no second chance - just a final containing all of the songs which spread out over 2 weeks giving plenty of time for everyone to listen to all of the songs and not missing out on any discoveries. Obviously voting for only 10 songs out of 40-45 would be a bit of a bloodbath though so maybe introduce the ability to give points to 15 songs instead.

 

I know this would never happen but it would save on DNQ's, 'the wrong semi' effect and would simplify the whole process as well for the host and the participants, making it a lot less long winded.

Actually i'd love that too, no moaning and crying over DNQ, equal chance, fair and square etc. Although it'd not save Skall, Lorikeet, ... , who are known as people who usually tend to forget to vote in time :kink:

Pavel is now most likely sending a 55 year old Greek musician to bjsc_twentysix. WITH AN INSTRUMENTAL SONG! :w00t:

Actually i'd love that too, no moaning and crying over DNQ, equal chance, fair and square etc. Although it'd not save Skall, Lorikeet, ... , who are known as people who usually tend to forget to vote in time :kink:

 

:wub:

 

stages would be;

 

1. Reservation

2. Confirmation

3. Voting (over 2 weeks seeing as there'd be a lot to digest)

4. Results

 

would be so simple, particularly for newcomers and would significantly reduce the work for the hosts not having to have two sets of votes from everyone plus compiling a semi results thread!

 

I'm not suggesting this as a change though by any means, just thinking out loud as usual!

Oh god..just one big final? :no:

 

And this '2:C' thing?? :huh: some people are still MF horny :lol:

 

Now i've shared my opinion :P :) have you DNQ, you have DNQ.. and that comes from a person who have experienced 9 DNQ's :P

I must say I'm not keen on this new idea. I find it hard enough to vote twice in one contest let alone having a third! The songs that don't qualify the first time were obviously never going to win the final so what's the point?

It's not about winning the final :lol: I can point out quite a few examples of songs that have barely scraped qualification coming top ten in the final...

I am equally not a fan of this new idea for the same reason as Tom.

You know, I'd actually love this! no semis, no second chance - just a final containing all of the songs which spread out over 2 weeks giving plenty of time for everyone to listen to all of the songs and not missing out on any discoveries. Obviously voting for only 10 songs out of 40-45 would be a bit of a bloodbath though so maybe introduce the ability to give points to 15 songs instead.

 

I know this would never happen but it would save on DNQ's, 'the wrong semi' effect and would simplify the whole process as well for the host and the participants, making it a lot less long winded. And people could send what they truly loved rather than something that 'must qualify to keep up a record' or something...

YES. I see no need for semis at all, and there're only about 5-10 songs i'm not obliged to listen to, so it wouldn't make much difference. Although i often seem to be in "the right semi" where i would've not qualified otherwise, but that's just luck and probably won't continue.

 

Actually i'd love that too, no moaning and crying over DNQ, equal chance, fair and square etc. Although it'd not save Skall, Lorikeet, ... , who are known as people who usually tend to forget to vote in time :kink:

I've always voted! :o (just never with more than half an hour to spare)

I am equally not a fan of this new idea for the same reason as Tom.

Me too, but you're wasting your time complaining, as it's an experiment.

Me too, but you're wasting your time complaining, as it's an experiment.

 

Then we should experiment with Rich's no semis idea too ^_^

i agree, axe the semi's and leave voting open for two weeks. there's no reason for them and it would let people feeling a lot more free to send whatever they want.

I think semis are quite fun though, part of the tension in a way - though I can definetly see the benefits of the whole semi thing. Personally, I think it should all just be kept the same, I think it works well, it's not too much for a host, it creates a bit of tension, and you haven't got too much to listen to in a final.

 

The only thing, as selfish as it may sound, is that listening to 30 songs without choice is enough for me. :lol: But, that's just personal opinion.

i agree, axe the semi's and leave voting open for two weeks. there's no reason for them and it would let people feeling a lot more free to send whatever they want.

 

THIS :cool:

i agree, axe the semi's and leave voting open for two weeks. there's no reason for them and it would let people feeling a lot more free to send whatever they want.

 

Yeah, I'd go for this too if we're changing it - it'd definitely help us see some more experimental entries and probably loads of risks if everybody got to the final stage.

I think semis are quite fun though, part of the tension in a way - though I can definetly see the benefits of the whole semi thing. Personally, I think it should all just be kept the same, I think it works well, it's not too much for a host, it creates a bit of tension, and you haven't got too much to listen to in a final.

 

The only thing, as selfish as it may sound, is that listening to 30 songs without choice is enough for me. :lol: But, that's just personal opinion.

 

I know what you're saying although it is rather a lot for a host I think (I know I always found it a lot when I hosted), and adding the 'second chance' would be triple the work for the host that just having one long big final would be.

 

I'm biased as I tend to listen to all of the songs anyway (I hate fearing that I may have missed out on something amazing :drama:) and I don't overly care about the tension/drama/fear of DNQ'ing etc... - more about the song discoveries I make :wub:

 

That said, I'm happy any way it goes - I'd be more than willing to vote happily in a second chance as it definitely has its benefits. However I'd also welcome with open arms one big two week final, or everything staying the same as it is now. I've just seen a lot of people on outside forums saying they'd never join up even if they wanted to because it looks too complicated, and this would be the easiest way to simplify it, whereas a second chance round, although I think it sounds like it could make for a great final, presents a few flaws in;

 

1) New countries would find the whole 5/6 stages process so complicated I can't see anyone joining up anytime soon - and fresh blood is always good.

2) I honestly can't see everyone voting in second chance, particularly if there was only a three day window to do so (people could be away for the weekend?), and if you lengthened it any more than that the whole contest process would last for absolutely ages and I for one would be bored of half of the entries by the time the final came around :heehee:

3) Assuming that only 50-75% of countries voted in the second chance round (which I think would probably happen), this could lead to some skewed results of the 'second chance' qualifiers

3) Assuming that only 50-75% of countries voted in the second chance round (which I think would probably happen), this could lead to some skewed results of the 'second chance' qualifiers

I agree. I still think this second chance thing is a bit of an increased hassle, for minimal change. We'll probably get three or four different finalists a month and, like you say, it might end up being less fair than the two semi thing if we don't get enough voters.

 

I actually like the idea of one big final. But it only really works if we stick to the current participation levels. A final of 40 is ok (considering we listen to our semis of about 20, the other 14 qualifiers and any AQers anyway) but, once we open the registration thread, we could end up going back up to 50. At that stage it'd get a bit too much. I suppose it's fair enough, getting an extra week, but I'm not sure how it'll work. We'd probably need to vote for more than 10 for sure.

I agree. I still think this second chance thing is a bit of an increased hassle, for minimal change. We'll probably get three or four different finalists a month and, like you say, it might end up being less fair than the two semi thing if we don't get enough voters.

 

I actually like the idea of one big final. But it only really works if we stick to the current participation levels. A final of 40 is ok (considering we listen to our semis of about 20, the other 14 qualifiers and any AQers anyway) but, once we open the registration thread, we could end up going back up to 50. At that stage it'd get a bit too much. I suppose it's fair enough, getting an extra week, but I'm not sure how it'll work. We'd probably need to vote for more than 10 for sure.

I agree with all of that. :)