I was also insanely busy this month with exams, i managed to get my listening done in one day. I wouldn't change my votes.

Ffs, I swear some of you people dont read sometimes.

 

It's not that we didnt have time to listen to all 48 songs, the issue we feel more of a problem is that once you've gotten to the end its difficult to remember the beginning because theres so much to compare.

How can the songs even be compared anyway? Listening to a 10 minute experimental song and then to a 3 minute Melodifestivalen reject are completely different experiences. I wouldn't even try to compare the merits of each one to the other so I just score them both out of 10 and the one that gets the higher rating gets the higher points. Without my 'marks out of 10' system I'd be completely lost and clueless as to how to order the songs personally :o

 

It works with 10, 30, 50 even 100 songs - I highlight in green all of the songs above 8/10 after the first few listens and in red anything below - which go into the pile of 'won't listen to these again' :lol: Then when you only have 25 or so songs to play around with it's a lot more manageable.

 

If the one big final format is going to remain though, I do think recaps will be more vital than ever. Not to use as something to entirely base your votes on of course, but even the trigger of a chorus can remind you of your opinion of a song that you can't remember that well.

Ffs, I swear some of you people dont read sometimes.

 

It's not that we didnt have time to listen to all 48 songs, the issue we feel more of a problem is that once you've gotten to the end its difficult to remember the beginning because theres so much to compare.

 

URRH WHAT? You're not being asked to 'compare' songs, you're being asked to vote for them. If you can't do it in that amount of time then there isn't anything complex with the new system, there's just something complex about your way of voting.

Ffs, I swear some of you people dont read sometimes.

 

It's not that we didnt have time to listen to all 48 songs, the issue we feel more of a problem is that once you've gotten to the end its difficult to remember the beginning because theres so much to compare.

The system i described is doing EXACTLY this.

 

Surely if you listen to the song for the first time you won't have opinion on it straight after :wacko: THEN all you need is to listen to all the songs for the second time, and RIGHT AFTER YOU LISTEN TO EACH SONG decide whether you're leaving it on your playlist or not.

 

2 (or 3 for some) listens for each song - check; the song is fresh in mind - check.

If you have no problem comparing 29 songs, you've clearly developed some sort of system of comparison as it suffers from much the same problem as comparing 47 - after about ten, you have difficulties remembering the first. Use the system. Obviously we'll enforce recaps in the future, as I've said...

I'm getting pissed off at all this 'listen to 5 songs a night' crap. Yeah, how is that gonna help us compare 48 songs better than listening on one night? You really expect to remember something I listened to once 2 weeks ago? Nah, what a rubbish suggestion.

 

And, can some people please stop being so narrow-minded, everytime somebody dares to say they dislike the final idea, (by somebody it's usually James), you all attack him. I know arguments are supposed to have 2 sides - but a lot of you in here, not just the 'pro-one final' people, seem to bulldozing people down because they don't share the same opinion/view as the other. If everybody had the same opinion, it'd be bloody boring - so try and actually appreciate people's opinion, rather than being rude about it - because it just gets annoying to read petty arguments.

 

RANT OVER. <333

Edited May 21, 201015 yr by Robot

I'm getting pissed off at all this 'listen to 5 songs a night' crap. Yeah, how is that gonna help us compare 48 songs better than listening on one night? You really expect to remember something I listened to once 2 weeks ago? Nah, what a rubbish suggestion.

I believe you're about 5 pages back, you need to catch up with the recent posts before saying it was a 'rubbish suggestion' referring to something that was already forgotten and not brought up for days.

 

edit: How is it narrow-minded to actually try to SOLVE a problem here suggesting possible solutions? It's more that the 'no' camp doesn't want to do anything about it, even TRY. Well, it's logical to be honest, since you want the contest to be brought back to the semi-finals. 'We stand on our own, we don't care about anything/listen to anyone'. Maybe harsh, but that's how i see it.

Edited May 21, 201015 yr by Ljósið

47 votes in, there were only 48 participants in BJSC26 (assuming it was these people who voted as it should have been)...so technically, the semi's option can't now win as it's three votes behind...and the discussion seems to be going round in circles now, there's not a lot else to say for either side I wouldn't have thought?

 

Having said that, it's going to be WILDLY unpopular if the mods decide to keep the 'one big final' seeing as it's more or less split 50/50 and equally unpopular if we go back to semis, so where is this decision going exactly? :lol: To fit in with my dates I was going to do the banlist from this coming Monday-Friday but I guess I could run that anyway if a decision's not made by that point? Otherwise BJSC 27 will have to be shortened or pushed back somehow.

Hardly narrow-minded, Rob. :lol: Narrow-minded would be us having hissy fits and leaving the contest, which I'm not doing. I'm suggesting that people need to stop claiming that the new voting system is hard when it doesn't have to be. It's only difficult if you make it difficult, which further backs up my point that the problem lies with the members' attitudes rather than the new system itself.

 

If people prefer the semi system, then that's totally fine by me. What I don't agree with are false claims that it's 'impossible' and 'boring', which is a pure contradiction. And can we stop throwing around this 'compare songs' thing? You're not asked to compare anything, you're just asked to vote. Maybe that's the problem?

Let's try out the 'last chance' thing :kink:

 

lol jk, semis back please :(

I believe you're about 5 pages back, you need to catch up with the recent posts before saying it was a 'rubbish suggestion' referring to something that was already forgotten and not brought up for days.

 

edit: How is it narrow-minded to actually try to SOLVE a problem here suggesting possible solutions? It's more that the 'no' camp doesn't want to do anything about it, even TRY. Well, it's logical to be honest, since you want the contest to be brought back to the semi-finals. 'We stand on our own, we don't care about anything/listen to anyone'. Maybe harsh, but that's how i see it.

No. It was getting petty and boring when I looked this morning, and you were telling each other to send better songs, and to get a life. I thought you came up with a rare genius idea actually, Pavel, a few pages back - although, I can't actually remember what it was. I don't think it's fair to say that all the people who say 'no' are being pathetic.

 

Everybody who has said they will leave the contest has been accused of 'Throwing their toys out of the pram'. NO. just no. They just don't want to take part in the flipping contest, why is that throwing the toys out of the pram because they think the contest is being ruined?! That's not throwing toys out of a pram - that's sitting out a contest because it's not enjoyable actually.

 

I think people from both 'no' and 'yes' camps are being ignorant actually - and for you to single the 'No' camp out as being the only ones being stubborn, and trying to not help is ridiculous - and shows that you are infact narrow-minded tbh.

 

Hardly narrow-minded, Rob. :lol: Narrow-minded would be us having hissy fits and leaving the contest, which I'm not doing. I'm suggesting that people need to stop claiming that the new voting system is hard when it doesn't have to be. It's only difficult if you make it difficult, which further backs up my point that the problem lies with the members' attitudes rather than the new system itself.

 

If people prefer the semi system, then that's totally fine by me. What I don't agree with are false claims that it's 'impossible' and 'boring', which is a pure contradiction. And can we stop throwing around this 'compare songs' thing? You're not asked to compare anything, you're just asked to vote. Maybe that's the problem?

 

That's not narrow-minded leaving the contest? Because I have threatened to leave the contest - and I can see both sides of the argument - I just happen to think the contest will turn into a $h!t-fest with everyone deliberately trying to be risky just because they feel they have to. That's not being narrow-minded at all?!

 

Why is 'boring' a contradiction when it is 'boring' to some people btw?!

That's not narrow-minded leaving the contest? Because I have threatened to leave the contest - and I can see both sides of the argument - I just happen to think the contest will turn into a $h!t-fest with everyone deliberately trying to be risky just because they feel they have to. That's not being narrow-minded at all?!

 

Why is 'boring' a contradiction when it is 'boring' to some people btw?!

 

It is if you leave because of the result of this poll. I don't want to go back to semis at all, but I'm not threatening to leave and I'll give them another go. This was a trial run, and the mods have already said that if they were to keep the new system then they'd change bits to satisfy the people who have reservations about it. For example, reducing voting time because of 'boredom' and creating recaps because of 'difficulty'.

 

The new system encouraged people to send the music that they liked, while the semis just opens the door to people sending something that others like and not particularly what that person likes so that they'd qualify. Then there are amazing songs that are stuck in the semi because they're not Buzzjack-friendly. At least with the new system, all songs are listened to and given an equal opportunity.

 

'Boring' is a contradiction when the same group of people say that voting for ten extra songs is impossible. If you're that bored, you won't have a problem listening to the songs. That's what I'm getting at.

Edited May 21, 201015 yr by Cal

It is if you leave because of the result of this poll. I don't want to go back to semis at all, but I'm not threatening to leave and I'll give them another go. This was a trial run, and the mods have already said that if they were to keep the new system then they'd change bits to satisfy the people who have reservations about it. For example, reducing voting time because of 'boredom' and creating recaps because of 'difficulty'.

 

The new system encouraged people to send the music that they liked, while the semis just opens the door to people sending something that others like and not particularly what that person likes so that they'd qualify. Then there are amazing songs that are stuck in the semi because they're not Buzzjack-friendly. At least with the new system, all songs are listened to and given an equal opportunity.

 

'Boring' is a contradiction when the same group of people say that voting for ten extra songs is impossible. If you're that bored, you won't have a problem listening to the songs. That's what I'm getting at.

Not really - if we leave because of the result of the poll, it's because we don't like it? If you don't enjoy something, that's no point continuing it. If I didn't enjoy taking part in a sport, I wouldn't keep playing it. That's the same in this situation. For me, I don't think changing the system would make enjoy it that much - I liked the stages to get to the final, it made it exciting. The fact everyone makes the final is dull to me - that doesn't mean I'm throwing my toys out of the pram?! :blink:

No. It was getting petty and boring when I looked this morning, and you were telling each other to send better songs, and to get a life. I thought you came up with a rare genius idea actually, Pavel, a few pages back - although, I can't actually remember what it was. I don't think it's fair to say that all the people who say 'no' are being pathetic.

 

Everybody who has said they will leave the contest has been accused of 'Throwing their toys out of the pram'. NO. just no. They just don't want to take part in the flipping contest, why is that throwing the toys out of the pram because they think the contest is being ruined?! That's not throwing toys out of a pram - that's sitting out a contest because it's not enjoyable actually.

 

I think people from both 'no' and 'yes' camps are being ignorant actually - and for you to single the 'No' camp out as being the only ones being stubborn, and trying to not help is ridiculous - and shows that you are infact narrow-minded tbh.

That's not narrow-minded leaving the contest? Because I have threatened to leave the contest - and I can see both sides of the argument - I just happen to think the contest will turn into a $h!t-fest with everyone deliberately trying to be risky just because they feel they have to. That's not being narrow-minded at all?!

 

Why is 'boring' a contradiction when it is 'boring' to some people btw?!

I guess it was the idea if we get 40+ participants we run semis, if not - one big final?

 

How exactly people who threaten to leave are helping in this case? I'd be thrilled to know. If any, it only makes worse: the 'yes' vote won the poll, however if we change the system we will have some guaranteed withdrawals. This is a lose-lose situation for both camps. Solution is needed. The only way in my opinion is to run ANOTHER trial one big final (only adjusting the mistakes done) and if even after that the reaction will be the same - we will have to go back to the semis or create some alternative variant (which btw may be thought out during the BJSC27).

 

If you want to be risky - be risky, if you don't - who's gonna make you do it?! You are seeing in a wrong way. You don't send risky entries, that's alright, but there're some people who enjoy trying different things out hence entering risky songs. It's in no way the requirement. Just your song will be heard by every person participating in the contest not depending whether you qualify or not. Or maybe you are afraid that your entries will be unnoticed since people will most likely talk about risky entries.

Well, I was told by a few that I couldn't send Eric Saade last contest, because I had to risky for the 'one big final'.

Well, I was told by a few that I couldn't send Eric Saade last contest, because I had to risky for the 'one big final'.

Would you jump off the bridge if they said that to you too? As long as it doesn't break the rules you may send it, no matter if some people (including me :heehee: ) are annoyed by it.

 

And tbh why on Earth would anyone say anything like that about Eric 'WHO AGAIN?' Saade? :lol: It was certainly not me lol.

:drama:

 

I can't believe I'm reading the same thing over and over again for the past 3 days.

:drama:

 

I can't believe I'm reading the same thing over and over again for the past 3 days.

 

I do think now is the time to draw this to a conclusion, or else it could run forever. I'd be surprised if anyone was left to vote.

 

Either way I don't mind, I've decided now. Where I was 55/45, it's moreso 51/49 now...the extra 4 was laziness on my part because it would be easier for me hosting if I didn't have to do semis :kink: I'm only very slightly leaning towards the big final because I liked the new points system, but I wouldn't mind having the semis back.

 

Let's just say I'm glad I'm not a mod making the call on this one :whistle:

Not really - if we leave because of the result of the poll, it's because we don't like it? If you don't enjoy something, that's no point continuing it. If I didn't enjoy taking part in a sport, I wouldn't keep playing it. That's the same in this situation. For me, I don't think changing the system would make enjoy it that much - I liked the stages to get to the final, it made it exciting. The fact everyone makes the final is dull to me - that doesn't mean I'm throwing my toys out of the pram?! :blink:

 

But you've only tried a test run that will be subject to changes if it were to continue. If you still don't like it after changes are made, then fine, but leaving because of one time seems to be a bit blinkered.

 

And I never said you were throwing your toys anywhere...