I doubt it will be the mix of Angels and Back For Good as people are hoping for, but then maybe both of us need to lighten up? Afterall surely we are looking at the new Lennon/McCartney? :P

 

 

No disrespect for Rob or Gary but comparing them with Lennon/McCartney is a bit over da top!!

 

Neither over them really renewed pop-music but Lennon and McCartney DID!

 

Btw: IF I would compare (ex)TT members with The Beatles Rob is IMHO 'George Harrison'!!! :lol:

 

 

In and Out of Consiouness is a perfect title for a new album, not so sure it's a good title for a CD with nearly all old numbers ......

Maybe Robbie was in and out of consciousness for the title of this greatest hits.... :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Sadly ... no-one appears to want to play my game :( . It appears no-one here is as confident in their lyric-writing abilities as Rob and Gary appear to be! :lol:

 

I've written lyrics before but I'd rather not guess this time... Shame could be brilliant or terrible... and NOBODY can predict Rob's lyrics, we know that for sure.

If he wrote this song 10 years ago for Gary it would definitely go like: SHAME SHAME SHAME

LAME LAME LAME

YOU ARE STILL THE SAME

YOU ARE ALL SO LAME

(where is the chorus? no chorus? d***head)

 

:P :wacko: :P :wacko: :P

 

Well I don't fancy Gary's lyrics but in my book Rob could be the best lyricist of our times (although sadly enough nobody seems to notice)

IaOoC is no13 at the preorder chart bt the way. (However I know it takes 5-6 preordered copies to chart as high at this season :unsure: )

 

 

Maybe Robbie was in and out of consciousness for the title of this greatest hits.... :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

 

 

Oh Biggy!!! LOL maybe he was meditating eh? :teresa: for all I know he himself didnt even came up wif the title ;)

 

I agree on wot 7heDreamer says about Rob being a good lyricist but the BEST of our times? :rolleyes:

 

Rob has multiple things that make him a good performer / singer: he's got da looks, the charism ;), the humor, the talent to perform, he's a 'stage animal', the best ppl around to help him with his music and such and yes talent to write too but DA Best?

nope dont think so, but he most certainly is very good with writing lyrics that mirrors his inner / emotional self -_-

 

Biggy: How's life at ur end? B)

Well I don't fancy Gary's lyrics but in my book Rob could be the best lyricist of our times (although sadly enough nobody seems to notice)

IaOoC is no13 at the preorder chart bt the way. (However I know it takes 5-6 preordered copies to chart as high at this season :unsure: )

 

I don't think either of them are more than average lyricists ... but I'm never too fussed about the lyrics as long as the music is great. I was (and still am) a big fan of ELO - and Jeff Lynne's lyrics were never great (apart from Livin' Thing, Do Ya, Rockaria - incidentally all from the same album) but his music and production more than made up for it. I feel the same about Barlow - his lyrics are nothing to write home about but his melodies make up for it. Whilst I don't like Rob's lyrics either (a little too self-indulgent and self-pitying) when he is in a witty mood ... his words are better than Gary's (there ... I've said it!) This doesn't however, make him the best lyricist of our time - there are too many others around today far, far worthier of that accolade.

 

Anyway ... I am curious to hear this song ... but for both their sakes ... it had better be no less than brilliant or the media is going to hang them both out to dry.

 

Norma

 

 

 

I don't think either of them are more than average lyricists ... but I'm never too fussed about the lyrics as long as the music is great. I was (and still am) a big fan of ELO - and Jeff Lynne's lyrics were never great (apart from Livin' Thing, Do Ya, Rockaria - incidentally all from the same album) but his music and production more than made up for it. I feel the same about Barlow - his lyrics are nothing to write home about but his melodies make up for it. Whilst I don't like Rob's lyrics either (a little too self-indulgent and self-pitying) when he is in a witty mood ... his words are better than Gary's (there ... I've said it!) This doesn't however, make him the best lyricist of our time - there are too many others around today far, far worthier of that accolade.

 

Anyway ... I am curious to hear this song ... but for both their sakes ... it had better be no less than brilliant or the media is going to hang them both out to dry.

 

Norma

 

Yep, that I have no problem beleiving as I seem to recall you dismissing the amazingly talented lyricist that is Morrissey once on another section of the forum and upsetting Russt in the process. :P

 

In terms of Rob's ability as the lyricist, I would not go as far as to say he is the best lyricist right now overall - as most of the most talented and prolific lyricists today are still the oldies, those who are very poetic such as Dylan, Springsteen and Cohen etc. Morrissey is an extremly gifted lyricist - probably the most witty there ever was, although on a universal basis due to his immence talent at writing powerful lyrics I think Dylan is the king. Robbie will never be seen as to be in the same league as those for a variety of reasons, he is on a genral basis nowhere near as deep with his lyrics (he doesnt tackle political issues etc but sticks to being autobiographical) and often opts for the most throw-away lyrics and witty remakrs - but the main being he is a pop star and the vast majority of pop stars do not write their own lyricsts - they may get a writing credit on a song for adding a couple of words but with Robbie there is no question that he writes most and generally all of his own lyricsts and has people such as Guy Chambers and Steven Duffy there to help with the music. At the end of the day as it has been fully acknowledged by Guy, Rob writes the lyrics and alot of the melody and he writes the music (although obviously Rob wrote several songs by himself in that period as well). With Steven Rob took a more active role in the actual music and despite in his own words "not able to play anything" he wrote the base line for 'Tripping' - Duffy even said the the vast majority of that song was written by Robbie - in fact he said that about IC as a whole if I recall - he said he was there to guide more so than anything else, and as Rob also co-produced it - that makes it even better than it is still his biggest studio seller globally to date :D

 

Anyway Robbie is at his best lyrically when talking about himself, and sadly with RKTVS there was a distict lack of that - the lyrics were good but in a different way and I felt he was tacking himself just a tad too seriously at times which effects the lyrics. But when he is at his best, especially when aggresive, I would say he is certainly one of the best lyricist of his generation, definatly with regard to pop stars. There are countless examples of his great lyricsts, some of his best was when he was younger after coming out of TT - but I think a great recent examples is surely 'The 80's and 90's off Rudebox - specifically 'The 80's, the lyrics of which I even recall BJ's own Thisispop (someone who is certainly not bias for Rob like myself as a fan or against like you or any other people who are not fans) said were as good as those of Ray Davies or Morrissey. Rob has a brilliant gift at going from writing witty and funny lyrics to dark and agressive ones - often in the one song - and it's the autobiographical nature that makes them so great. And that is the main reason why RKTVS's lyrics were not typical Robbie, because he wasnt really talking about himself - perhaps because he is happy personally I suppose but I missed those great lyrics that were so dominent on previous albums. :(

 

As for the Gary - I think they both have their strenghts and weaknesses as songwriters - Gary is a much better musician and Rob is a much better lyricist - I don't know how anyone could seriously deny either point - so in that sence it has potential. Both share a talent with melodies etc but ultimatly both have very different styles and like different types of music. Rob loves electro/dance/hip-hop - I can't see Gary wanting any part in that. Rob also likes ballads, and we know for sure Gary certainly does so the most likely result will surely be a big old ballad with a soaring chorus that will have all the Radio 2 listeners who buy one or two albums a year at the supermarket jumping for joy? I'd be very suprised otherwise tbh which is why I am dreading it. A duet of a ballad between the two of them will be highly embaressing so we can only live in hope that Rob's more eclectic tastes rub off on Gaz because tbh I'd love nothing more than seeing him rapping, purely to see the reaction of total horror on the TT fans who will only be the used to the MOR material they have been enjoying so much. :lol: In that sence I'd much rather he was working with Mark Owen as his solo output was vastly more interesting than Gary's - but obviously he has other matters to deal with. :P

 

Oh and Ziggy I was being sarcastic when I suggested they were the next Lennon/McCartney. :o I'd be very worried about anyone who would make such a suggestion seriously :lol:

 

With regard to the albums success - considering Oasis's new album of singles (a pretty much identical album to Rob's upcomgon one minus the new songs) is on it's way to #1 despite them only having released a 'Best Of' in 2006, I think it means Rob's will do well. I doubt it will sell over a million or anything but it has a good shot at #1 depending on the competition and the number of new tracks on it. It's annoying that is will virtually kill the catalog sales from the Greatest Hits though. <_<

Edited June 16, 201015 yr by De Niro

Anyway Robbie is at his best lyrically when talking about himself, and sadly with RKTVS there was a distict lack of that - the lyrics were good but in a different way and I felt he was tacking himself just a tad too seriously at times which effects the lyrics.

 

 

And that is the main reason why RKTVS's lyrics were not typical Robbie, because he wasnt really talking about himself - perhaps because he is happy personally I suppose but I missed those great lyrics that were so dominent on previous albums. :(

 

 

 

Not so sure ur right on that one: that he wasnt talking bout himself on RKTVS ;)

I actually believe that he talks of himself in Morning Sun, Deceptacon, You Know Me, Somewhere, Starstruck, Superblind, Won't Do That & Arizona

 

 

Oh and Ziggy I was being sarcastic when I suggested they were the next Lennon/McCartney. :o I'd be very worried about anyone who would make such a suggestion seriously :lol:

 

You were? LO(L well that's a relief! :lol:

Yep, that I have no problem beleiving as I seem to recall you dismissing the amazingly talented lyricist that is Morrissey once on another section of the forum and upsetting Russt in the process. :P

 

I still think Morrissey is a boring old beggar! The only thing I appreciate him for is when he walked off stage after someone in Liverpool threw a bottle of water at him ... and only then because he'd saved the audience from a fate worse than death! Silly old sod! I'd much rather go and watch a fun band than listen to his drivel! Having said that ... others say he is a genius ... so they must be right and I must be wrong!

 

On the whole though ... I think that we can agree that this song 'Shame' is going to be one boring old piece of drawn out sh/te ... isn't it? Two terminally boring, hairy arsed old badgers just hanging on in there. Roll on JLS is all I can say!

 

Norma

Edited June 16, 201015 yr by Norma_Snockers

I have to agree with most comments. (especialy with the lOOng one) When I said Rob could be the best lyricist around, I meant that he is one of the few best. The truth is that it is difficult to compare a musically active 36 year old lyricist with musically passive legend oldies. These guys still live but their brilliant work (the songs you are comparing with Rob's) belong to the past and they are well beyond the time when they would write them. In other words I say he could be the best of his generation. Really good lyricists are easy to notice if you try to detect quallity features in their work. However when it comes to choosing who is THE best it becomes subjective. Personally I love songs with political meanings but I feel an esoteric song, which ventures into a personality and a way of living, deeper into the soul or the imagination and is open ended thus having various levels of interpretation is more artistic. However some people may find it easier to connect with more staightforward and 'sharp' lyrics and meanings (feel for example). There are some subjects such as love, hope, friendship ,hatred ,death ,joy, anger that ring a bell to everone's heart and mind but each person has his own personality and experience in life and therefore likes a different subject in lyrics. As a person I am artistic, a little controversial and A LOT self-exploring myself so I do have additional reasons to like his lyrics.

Anyway a lot (most) of people don't bother going deep to the lyrics and just want something entertaining (I myself like that kind of music too) but it is still annoying that Bodies for example was recieved as a craizy song with poor lyrics and no meaning at all and at the same time so many trash songs were considered elegant. Somebody should tell those blonde reviewers: "if you don't get the meaning of a song it doesn't neccessary mean there isn't any"!

 

I also agree with ziggy about RKTVS. He talks a lot about himself. You didn't mention bodies and last days of disco though.

The lyrics on Rudebox [the album as a whole] are the best he's ever written. :lol:

The lyrics on Rudebox [the album as a whole] are the best he's ever written. :lol:

 

 

:lol: do you really think so?

I happen to like Rudebox :mellow:

I didn't say I didn't like it, just disagree with the lyrics thing that's all

 

 

 

I happen to like Rudebox :mellow:

 

 

I love it. Great album that many missed out on. :(

I also agree with ziggy about RKTVS. He talks a lot about himself. You didn't mention bodies and last days of disco though.

 

 

Bodies? Well, he started them lyrics way back in time and the song turned out to be OK. Altho I have to say after the first few lines and the chorus .... something went wrong with da writing .... maybe someone else wrote some of that song lyrics? ;)

 

Last days of disco ... not one of me favs ... but hee no wonder ... I got me puberty aprox. 15 yrs earlier then Rob :lol: :lol:

 

For wot it's worth: Rob nearly always talks about himself in his songs ;)

80's & 90's

 

The day he wrote Dickhead I guess he was in a real baaaaaaaaaaaaaaad mood ;)

Bodies? Well, he started them lyrics way back in time and the song turned out to be OK. Altho I have to say after the first few lines and the chorus .... something went wrong with da writing .... maybe someone else wrote some of that song lyrics? ;)

 

I think that he completely changed the lyrics and he changed some of the baseline too compared to what I had seen in a UTube video...

 

Especially this part in the chorus: ''is to-look-good-naked-hope-that-someone-can-take it , god save me rejection from my reflection I want perfection '' Has a strange cut in the melody and the tempo... the syllables are more than what would symetrically fit in there too... It sounded strange at first but I think I really liked it after a few more repeats! This 'out of tempo singing' was really unique and creative I think.

I don't see anything wrong 'lyrically' (-->the meaning) with Bodies, I feel it is obscure and is open to various interpretation but that's typical with Robbie's songs and an element I really like! Do you believe that's sb elses lyrics? Sounds like typicaly Robbie to me! (bears a little resemblence to come undone in the meaning too)

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Edited June 24, 201015 yr by Cleo

ooooooooooh I can't wait to see it! :nocheer:

ooooooooooh I can't wait to see it! :nocheer:

 

 

Your'e not the only one Spark :rolleyes: