July 20, 201014 yr 2007 was great for singles quality. Best year since 2003 in my opinion. I agree completly. 2007 and 2009 were fantastic years with 2003 also strong. 2004 had some of my favourite songs of the last decade too but a lot of the good stuff underperformed in both sales and the charts [the top 10 sellers of 2004 was the most horrific I have ever seen].
July 20, 201014 yr A good gauge of the level of sales Compare the sales of Number 20 YTD track. 1997 480,000 1998 522,000 1999 501,400 2000 377,000 2001 343,000 2002 300,000 2003 222,000 2004 188,000 2005 162,840 2006 184,000 2007 236,324 2008 327,160 2009 448,000 Edited July 20, 201014 yr by tonyttt31
July 20, 201014 yr That's really interesting. vidcapper, if you have time, could you possibly do the same for some of the other hits that I mentioned? The point about illegal downloads is valid. Taking Orson again: including illegal downloads I would imagine that 435k people probably did 'buy' it, maybe more. I don't know how much illegal downloads 'sell' (does anyone?) but I would imagine they increased the 'sales' of some songs a great deal: ironically, probably songs that are already very popular (pop/r'n'b/rap/some dance), as stuff like rock/indie/more alternative things would be more likely to have been bought on physical back in 2003-07. If illegal downloads are still as big as 03-07 period, then theoretically couldn't Gaga, BEPs, KOL, etc, be selling closer to 2m each if the sales were counted? I imagine then that illegal downloads aren't quite as prevalent as they were - maybe people have more faith in itunes, etc, and don't mind paying now? Or perhaps kids that are becoming teenagers now and have always had the internet are happy enough to pay for a download like their older siblings/ parents did with cds and vinyl? You think only 2 million have I Gotta Feeling, Poker Face or Sex On Fire on their music players/computers etc. :lol: Illegal Downloads probably account for a far larger share of the market than you believe as I don't think I could tell you a single person my age that doesn't have I Gotta Feeling on there PC...
July 20, 201014 yr I remember 'Boulevard Of Broken Dreams' only entering the UK Download chart at #1 in early 2005 - a good 6-8 weeks after the song charted. So had there been 2007 style chart rules in 2005, Green Day might have had a much healthier looking chart run. Another was 'Galvanize' by Chemical Brothers; hit #1 on the download chart but peaked at no. 3 in the UK singles chart. The addition of their download sales might well have edged them to no. 1 in the end. Those Elvis reissues would've struggled I reckon in January 2005 with download sales included - considering how low sales were the extra 3k from downloads might well have made all the difference to the entire top 5.
July 21, 201014 yr Illegal Downloads probably account for a far larger share of the market than you believe as I don't think I could tell you a single person my age that doesn't have I Gotta Feeling on there PC... Just now, I'm not feeling so bad that I'm a generation older than you, then. :P
July 21, 201014 yr That's really interesting. vidcapper, if you have time, could you possibly do the same for some of the other hits that I mentioned? Any in particular?
July 21, 201014 yr What would someone have to sell to make #75 between 03-06? I am sure Hotpantz "I want to give you one for Christmas" must have took advantage of this in 2004 selling 1000 copies or such :DAverage sale of #75 2000: 1431 2001: 1244 2002: 994 2003: 731 2004: 538 2005: 800 2006: 1253 2007: 1706 2008: 2113 2009: 3025
July 21, 201014 yr Average sale of #75 2000: 1431 2001: 1244 2002: 994 2003: 731 2004: 538 2005: 800 2006: 1253 2007: 1706 2008: 2113 2009: 3025 Wow - never realised it got *that* bad in 2004!
July 21, 201014 yr Average sale of #75 2004: 538 and that's just the average...I wonder how low sales for 75 actually got - 400? 300?
July 21, 201014 yr Author Any in particular? 'All The Things She Said', 'Breathe' and 'Crazy In Love' please. Oh, and maybe Usher's 'Yeah' too! Thanks
July 21, 201014 yr That's really interesting. vidcapper, if you have time, could you possibly do the same for some of the other hits that I mentioned? The point about illegal downloads is valid. Taking Orson again: including illegal downloads I would imagine that 435k people probably did 'buy' it, maybe more. I don't know how much illegal downloads 'sell' (does anyone?) but I would imagine they increased the 'sales' of some songs a great deal: ironically, probably songs that are already very popular (pop/r'n'b/rap/some dance), as stuff like rock/indie/more alternative things would be more likely to have been bought on physical back in 2003-07. If illegal downloads are still as big as 03-07 period, then theoretically couldn't Gaga, BEPs, KOL, etc, be selling closer to 2m each if the sales were counted? I imagine then that illegal downloads aren't quite as prevalent as they were - maybe people have more faith in itunes, etc, and don't mind paying now? Or perhaps kids that are becoming teenagers now and have always had the internet are happy enough to pay for a download like their older siblings/ parents did with cds and vinyl? You think only 2 million have I Gotta Feeling, Poker Face or Sex On Fire on their music players/computers etc. :lol: Illegal Downloads probably account for a far larger share of the market than you believe as I don't think I could tell you a single person my age that doesn't have I Gotta Feeling on there PC... I agree with that - I think illegal downloads account for a higher absolute number of downloads now, compared with 2003-2005. However, as a % of overall sales, it is probably lower now than in 2003-2005. That difference is most likely caused by the multitude of legal download sites now, and in particular, iTunes, which weren't available/as well known in 2003-2005.
July 21, 201014 yr I bet the #75 sold hardly anything in early 2005. I remember that infamous week Kylie was at #3 on 7500 and Britney at #40 on 500 copies :o
July 21, 201014 yr Attributing James Blunt's You're Beautiful or Eric Prydz's Call on Me with modern day sales would give them sales over 800,000 no doubt?
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