Well, you're a mug, aren't you....? :lol: Instead of paying that Private Health insurance, perhaps all you "rich folks" should be insisting on a better funded NHS which will be available to all.... Look at Cuba, in terms of public health, they are amongst the best on the planet, they export doctors and nurses all over the world to disaster zones, drug treatments which cost a fortune in the US cost pennies in Cuba..... When you privatise healthcare, this is when people stop getting the treatment they need (eg, the HMOs) and drug treatments start costing a fortune and people get priced out....

 

Privatised Healthcare is probably the biggest scam on the planet IMO....

 

I use private healthcare because of waiting times to see consultants and waiting times to be operated on, when I had my knee reconstruction it took me 3 weeks to see a consultant and I was operated on 11 days later, had that been NHS I would have waited 6 months for the op most likely, plus private wards have much higher standards of cleanliness and hygiene whereas NHS there is risk of MRSA etc, stuff that.

 

 

I am against the use of the UK army for anything other than defending this country domestically, we should not be the worlds policeman it is not our responsibility, I would not accept EU control over the army, American control, any control, I would purely have the army as a domestic force and maybe helping the police for example controlling riots and demonstrations etc but the army should be British controlled and deal only on British soil.

 

Would that include NATO and the UN then....? :rolleyes:

 

Yeah, let's have the British Army patrolling the streets of Britain and have them take on a Police role, because that worked so well in Belfast didn't it.....? <_<

 

I use private healthcare because of waiting times to see consultants and waiting times to be operated on, when I had my knee reconstruction it took me 3 weeks to see a consultant and I was operated on 11 days later, had that been NHS I would have waited 6 months for the op most likely, plus private wards have much higher standards of cleanliness and hygiene whereas NHS there is risk of MRSA etc, stuff that.

 

Which is exactly why we need more money pumped into the NHS, not less like the Coalition wants.

I use private healthcare because of waiting times to see consultants and waiting times to be operated on, when I had my knee reconstruction it took me 3 weeks to see a consultant and I was operated on 11 days later, had that been NHS I would have waited 6 months for the op most likely, plus private wards have much higher standards of cleanliness and hygiene whereas NHS there is risk of MRSA etc, stuff that.

 

And why would that be then Craig...? I'll tell you why, your fukkin' precious TORIES contracted out the hospital cleaning to disreputable and incompetent companies who cut corners which let the bugs in....... <_< As for "waiting lists", again, TORIES did that... Not that Nu Labor did all that much to reverse those, granted...

 

Everything you're saying just goes to backing up mine and Danny's arguments Craig, and weakens your own....

Would that include NATO and the UN then....? :rolleyes:

 

Yeah, let's have the British Army patrolling the streets of Britain and have them take on a Police role, because that worked so well in Belfast didn't it.....? <_<

 

I would not send the military into any overseas conflict, UN or not, unless there was a serious risk to British interests or British subjects, I supported the Falklands because British citizens were in grave danger and that I felt a long time ago that the Falklands could be a future goldmine for oil which drilling tests seem to be confirming, oil in that region could transform us in decades to come, my prediction was right, while that makes me a bit of a hypocrite given that I was opposed to the Iraq war as that was about oil the fact is that Argentina had they kept the Falklands could have got all the oil rights, it was right to kick them out.

 

I don't want the army patrolling the streets of Britain but I can see a role for them in riot control and for example dealing with G20/G8 protests etc

Which is exactly why we need more money pumped into the NHS, not less like the Coalition wants.

 

The NHS along with foreign aid are the 2 areas which are ringfenced against cuts

 

 

And why would that be then Craig...? I'll tell you why, your fukkin' precious TORIES contracted out the hospital cleaning to disreputable and incompetent companies who cut corners which let the bugs in....... <_< As for "waiting lists", again, TORIES did that... Not that Nu Labor did all that much to reverse those, granted...

Everything you're saying just goes to backing up mine and Danny's arguments Craig, and weakens your own....

 

They had 13 years to reverse things and bring in improvements and so on but they didn't at all

The NHS along with foreign aid are the 2 areas which are ringfenced against cuts

 

I know that's what they're SAYING, but take it from me, my step-dad works in the health department of the civil service, and it's common knowledge there that £20bn of administrative cuts are planned with "bureaucrats" being sacked (i.e. the people who do some of the necessary admin work, allowing doctors to actually focus on their job - take the "bureaucrats" away and the doctors will have to do their work instead, in addition to their main job). Plus we all know about their "reforms"... less said about them the better.

The NHS along with foreign aid are the 2 areas which are ringfenced against cuts

 

Have you actually analyzed what it is the CON-Dem "reforms" actually mean for the NHS long-term....? It means pretty much the destruction of the NHS....

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I don't want the army patrolling the streets of Britain but I can see a role for them in riot control and for example dealing with G20/G8 protests etc

 

 

Again, I take us back to Belfast... Bloody Sunday part 2 anyone....? -_-

I know that's what they're SAYING, but take it from me, my step-dad works in the health department of the civil service, and it's common knowledge there that £20bn of administrative cuts are planned with "bureaucrats" being sacked (i.e. the people who do some of the necessary admin work, allowing doctors to actually focus on their job - take the "bureaucrats" away and the doctors will have to do their work instead, in addition to their main job). Plus we all know about their "reforms"... less said about them the better.

 

It is right that there should be reorganising within the NHS and the money diverted to frontline health care

 

I read a while back that there are SEVEN layers of management in the NHS, surely 5 of those layers could be removed and the money saved go to frontline health care, I also read some years ago admittedly that for every nurse that was being employed there was something like 40 paper shufflers, there is plenty of room for rooting out waste and stripping out the layers of management within the NHS

I read a while back that there are SEVEN layers of management in the NHS, surely 5 of those layers could be removed and the money saved go to frontline health care, I also read some years ago admittedly that for every nurse that was being employed there was something like 40 paper shufflers, there is plenty of room for rooting out waste and stripping out the layers of management within the NHS

 

And i read in this forum earlier today that a UFO was spotted in Manchester in 1993, hence, by your logic, because I read it it MUST be true!!!111

I know that's what they're SAYING, but take it from me, my step-dad works in the health department of the civil service, and it's common knowledge there that £20bn of administrative cuts are planned with "bureaucrats" being sacked (i.e. the people who do some of the necessary admin work, allowing doctors to actually focus on their job - take the "bureaucrats" away and the doctors will have to do their work instead, in addition to their main job). Plus we all know about their "reforms"... less said about them the better.

 

Quite..

 

And, funnily enough Craig, Doctors didn't really get into the profession to do books and accounts, they actually did it to you know, TREAT PATIENTS...... :lol: :lol: So, what do they do, see less patients while they do the paperwork, or hire an accountant or an admin assistant to do the job..... Errrrrrrr, yeah, okay, seeing one very big flaw in the plan already..... :lol:

 

And i read in this forum earlier today that a UFO was spotted in Manchester in 1993, hence, by your logic, because I read it it MUST be true!!!111

 

:lol: :lol:

 

Got a client coming at 4 so should be able to discuss the matter further about 6

 

 

They had 13 years to reverse things and bring in improvements and so on but they didn't at all

So why do an overwhelming majority of people think the health service locally, i.e. where they have direct experience, improved over the last decade or so? Waiting lists fell massively under the last government even when you make allowances for changes in measurements.

So why do an overwhelming majority of people think the health service locally, i.e. where they have direct experience, improved over the last decade or so? Waiting lists fell massively under the last government even when you make allowances for changes in measurements.

 

It was still a bit of a "post-code lottery" though with reference to certain kinds of treatment though mate.....

The NHS along with foreign aid are the 2 areas which are ringfenced against cuts

Spending isn't being increased in line with inflation, so it amounts to a cut anyway. The reason we HAVE such a large bureaucracy (and will end up having one even moreso) is because of Tory reforms to try and increase the 'competitiveness' within the NHS - we need to scrap that and let doctors get back to being doctors, rather than having them decide on what drugs to use and how to manage the spending within the NHS as the coalition is proposing :/

Which is exactly why we need more money pumped into the NHS, not less like the Coalition wants.

I agree Danny. :)

 

The NHS along with foreign aid are the 2 areas which are ringfenced against cuts

NEVER TRUST A TORY'S WORD! <_<

 

They had 13 years to reverse things and bring in improvements and so on but they didn't at all

Labour drastically reduced hospital waiting lists. :rolleyes:

Maybe it's time to cut the umbilical cord then, and throw in completely with the EU and the Commonwealth (Australia and Canada also never had any such problems with THEIR banks), fukk America, pull out our troops from Afghanistan and Iraq, declare that we are no longer interested in the "special relationship" which has ruined our economy and led us into a situation where we are targets for every Jihadi nutter out there with a grudge; time to be more like France and Germany I think.....

i couldn't agree more strongly. f*** the United States, they are one country. There are 24 other member states of the European Union and more than 50 members of the Commonwealth iirc.

 

That's at least 74 trade partners we could strengthen our relations with. I'm personally quite keen for us to have stronger links with Europe, we are far stronger together. I would also love to have stronger links with Canada, Australia/New Zealand and Central/Southern America and free movement agreements with Canada, Australia and New Zealand. I believe it would be highly advantageous to our economy to have stronger links with countries that aren't the United States of America.

Australia are aligning themselves more with Asia at the moment because that's where all the growth is. They could very well leave the Commonwealth as it's not really needed anymore. Canada seem to be moving more towards the U.S, so again, the Commonwealth isn't as important as it used to be. The UK need to be more pro-EU, imo. I know the EU isn't perfect (and everybody who knows me knows that I'm very critical of it in its current state), but everybody needs to be on the same page for it to work. You can't have the likes of Ireland and Belgium being extremely pro-EU and then have the UK and Austria being quite anti-EU. The UK already have an extremely strong relationship with Ireland, so that's good (for us :P). The next step is to strengthen ties with the likes of Germany, France and to some extent, Poland, as they are the only EU country not to enter a recession or to not experience a decline in GDP growth.