August 21, 201014 yr Hopefully a public statement from the Australian PM stating that this is the course of action that will be taken would act as a deterrent to those that are thinking of trying to enter the country illigally like this. The PM stating this as a policy would hopefully mean that the boats will not come in the first place. I assume you've heard of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Here are just some of the Articles which would be violated by your suggestion. Article 1. All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights.They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood. Article 3. Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person. Article 5. No one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment. Article 6. Everyone has the right to recognition everywhere as a person before the law. Article 10. Everyone is entitled in full equality to a fair and public hearing by an independent and impartial tribunal, in the determination of his rights and obligations and of any criminal charge against him. Article 11. (1) Everyone charged with a penal offence has the right to be presumed innocent until proved guilty according to law in a public trial at which he has had all the guarantees necessary for his defence. Article 14. (1) Everyone has the right to seek and to enjoy in other countries asylum from persecution.
August 21, 201014 yr Loss of life is unfortunate but to make an omlette you have to break a few eggs. It was the Haitians for being poor, then it was the Palestinians for protecting their homeland, and now it's the people who want a better life. That's one hell of an omelette, Craig. Edited August 21, 201014 yr by Cal
August 21, 201014 yr I assume you've heard of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Here are just some of the Articles which would be violated by your suggestion. Article 1. All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights.They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood. There is no such thing as equal in reality, it is an unequal world plus what about the rights of Australians not to have these criminals on their shores Article 3. Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person. Article 5. No one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment. Article 6. Everyone has the right to recognition everywhere as a person before the law. Article 10. Everyone is entitled in full equality to a fair and public hearing by an independent and impartial tribunal, in the determination of his rights and obligations and of any criminal charge against him. Article 11. (1) Everyone charged with a penal offence has the right to be presumed innocent until proved guilty according to law in a public trial at which he has had all the guarantees necessary for his defence. Article 14. (1) Everyone has the right to seek and to enjoy in other countries asylum from persecution. Indeed but these people are not fleeing a war or fleeing genocide, if they were then that is different but most of the boat people are from SE Asia and places like Turkey, they are economic migrants not asylum seekers, if they were asylum seekers they could do it via the Australian consulate in their own country
August 21, 201014 yr Rather upsettingly, it's a hung parliament with the ball in Abbott's court. However, it would be a majority of 1 even with coalition, so we're almost certainly getting another election before the year is out.
August 21, 201014 yr Author How are they going to better themselves though ? They are poverty stricken, the majority if not all would not have any command of English, they would not know a trade so could make no contribution to Australian society, they would be on permanant drain on the taxpayer. Actually, the Australian's are insanely stingy with their welfare and rightfully so. If someone is being a drain on their resources they tend to go. Plus if you'd read the link i posted you'd know that the number of asylum seekers they take is extremely low. Of the x amount of people that emigrate to Australia each year, legally or illegally only 0.8% of those come via boat. So Abbott little turn the boats around policy is PR w***, the Howard government turned it's last boat around in 2003. Rudd was elected in 2007. The previous LNP administration knew that the policy was full of $h!t. It's disturbing that people actually voted for Abbott :manson: Thank god it is a extremely hung parliament and as Tyron said we'll no doubt be seeing another election soon. All Gillard needs to do is let Abbott show Australia he's a total f***in mong that makes George W. Bush look like a member of Mensa then she'll have a nice little majority ^_^
August 21, 201014 yr Author Looking at the CourierMail website [Courier Mail is a Queensland Paper] they seem to reckon that Labor lost because they couldn't win QLD. Not entirely surprised QLD would swing more towards LNP as they have huge mines in Central Queensland, and the mining tax could hit them hard. Not good news for the State Premier Anna Bligh, i like her although her big election posters all over Westfield Garden City did get a bit :/ after a while
August 22, 201014 yr Looking at the CourierMail website [Courier Mail is a Queensland Paper] they seem to reckon that Labor lost because they couldn't win QLD. Not entirely surprised QLD would swing more towards LNP as they have huge mines in Central Queensland, and the mining tax could hit them hard. Not good news for the State Premier Anna Bligh, i like her although her big election posters all over Westfield Garden City did get a bit :/ after a while Very true about the mining, but I still voted for Labor. Am annoyed at the fact that its a hung parliament, just means this is going to go on for longer. And yes her posters were awful.
August 22, 201014 yr Author Very true about the mining, but I still voted for Labor. Am annoyed at the fact that its a hung parliament, just means this is going to go on for longer. And yes her posters were awful. I'd have voted Labor as well, hell i'd have voted Bligh in spite of those bloody posters :lol: Your parliament is going to be so unstable you'll be back at the polls soon enough I don't know what was worse walking along the top mall toward HMV/Big W, Bligh or Delta and her seemingly never ending main. :heehee:
August 22, 201014 yr The real gainers in terms of vote share are the Greens. It looks like Labor are being punished for their failure to deliver on environmental issues. Unfortunately that could lead to a climate change denier becoming PM. The only good news is that he isn't likely to hold on for long without being forced into another election.
August 22, 201014 yr Who's likely to form the government? Who are the minority party MPs likely to back?
August 22, 201014 yr Who's likely to form the government? Who are the minority party MPs likely to back? I assume there's no chance of the single Green MP (if that's the right term) backing Abbott. I'll have to leave it to members with more knowledge of Australian politics to comment on the four Independents.
August 22, 201014 yr Author The Greens clawed their way into a Victorian seat Labour got raped in Queensland losing a massive 8 of the 29 seats to the LNP :drama:
August 22, 201014 yr The Greens clawed their way into a Victorian seat Labour got raped in Queensland losing a massive 8 of the 29 seats to the LNP :drama: Why did they do so badly in Queensland? They seem to have done OK in some parts of the country, holding on to very marginal seats and even making the odd gain. Why is Queensland so different? I remember the rather eccentric Joh Bjelke-Petersen from the 1980s and even further back so is it just that Queensland like to be different?
August 22, 201014 yr Author I assume there's no chance of the single Green MP (if that's the right term) backing Abbott. I'll have to leave it to members with more knowledge of Australian politics to comment on the four Independents. CourierMail has said that 3 of the independents are former Liberal, but that they seem to be looking to the Senate results. One of the independents has Green leanings and is more likely to go to Gillard than Abbott. Queensland seems to be major pissed with Labor, I know K Rudd is a Queenslander, the State Premier isn't the most popular person right about now thanks to some huge budget cuts and some state assets up for sale, not to mention the mining tax. Although, given that they've lost a fair few seats in Brisbane itself the former two seem more likely options.
August 22, 201014 yr Author Why did they do so badly in Queensland? They seem to have done OK in some parts of the country, holding on to very marginal seats and even making the odd gain. Why is Queensland so different? I remember the rather eccentric Joh Bjelke-Petersen from the 1980s and even further back so is it just that Queensland like to be different? I have no idea, they were all over Bligh like a rash when i was there a year ago so were very Pro-Labor then, and K Rudd is from QLD and they really backed him. Out of the 4 Territory seats the ALP lost a NT seat to LNP but held the remaining NT seat and the two ACT seats even though they took a 6% drop in support in Canberra. It really looks like Bligh and the Loss of K Rudd ironically cost Labor the election. EDIT: From the BBC: " Nick Bryant BBC News, Sydney When she ousted her former leader two months ago, Julia Gillard hoped her political honeymoon as Australia's first female prime minister would win her a snap election. But the angry repercussions of that leadership coup against Kevin Rudd have overflowed into the campaign and the polling stations, especially in Queensland, Mr Rudd's home state. Labor has suffered bad losses there and in New South Wales, but it has held seats in South Australia and Victoria. The conservative opposition is led by Tony Abbott - an iron man triathlete nicknamed the mad monk. But he's fought an unexpectedly strong campaign by promising to restore stable government. Nobody gave him a chance six months ago, but he's turned this into a photo finish." BBC article on the election outcome: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-11048968 They name New South Wales and Queensland as the States where Labor lost thousands of voters and the election
August 22, 201014 yr Apparently even the three Independents who used to be Liberal aren't guaranteed to back the Coalition - they've made broadband etc. a BIG priority in talks, something Abbott opposed but Gillard was in favour of.
August 22, 201014 yr Author Gillard has been championing 1Gbps broadband according to my former flatmate back in Bris. Tis about time Aus got some decent broadband speeds.
August 22, 201014 yr Gillard has been championing 1Gbps broadband according to my former flatmate back in Bris. Tis about time Aus got some decent broadband speeds. About time we thought of this in the UK. I don't have 1Gbps. I know of others who have dial-up. I believe some people can't get any connections.
August 22, 201014 yr CourierMail has said that 3 of the independents are former Liberal, but that they seem to be looking to the Senate results. One of the independents has Green leanings and is more likely to go to Gillard than Abbott. Queensland seems to be major pissed with Labor, I know K Rudd is a Queenslander, the State Premier isn't the most popular person right about now thanks to some huge budget cuts and some state assets up for sale, not to mention the mining tax. Although, given that they've lost a fair few seats in Brisbane itself the former two seem more likely options. It's a negative vote against the treatment of K.Rudd.
August 22, 201014 yr Author I'm supposed to be on 20Mbps, i'm not that far from the exchange and i'm getting a pathetic speed. I do not pay for less than 5Mbps, yet that's what i get. We need a better broadband network in the UK
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