September 16, 201014 yr Comparing atheists to nazis, says the pope... Not that the pope was part of any nazi movement :mellow: The vatican and nazis go together like Morecambe and Wise and roast beef and yorkshire pudding, long history of collusion with nazis by the catholic church, forced conversions to catholicism in Yugoslavia, giving nazi war criminals protection in the vatican and spiriting them away to latin america, colluding with Croatian nazis to commit genocide, the catholic church head cardinal in the region ran a concentration camp, the pope is a fukkin idiot
September 16, 201014 yr So am I right in thinking that it's not the office of Pope that people are actually against but about the current holder of that office? Any Pope disagrees with condom use and abortion and homosexuality though as they're the Catholic beliefs. So must be his covering up of the child abuse. Edited September 16, 201014 yr by Common Sense
September 16, 201014 yr So am I right in thinking that it's not the office of Pope that people are actually against but about the current holder of that office? Religion as a whole is pretty much what I'm against right now.
September 16, 201014 yr Comparing atheists to nazis, says the pope... Not that the pope was part of any nazi movement :mellow: as someone on twitter put it... "The Pope (ex hitler youth) from the vatican (silent consent of the holocaust) claims Nazis (led by a christian) are the result of atheism..."
September 16, 201014 yr So am I right in thinking that it's not the office of Pope that people are actually against but about the current holder of that office? Any Pope disagrees with condom use and abortion and homosexuality though as they're the Catholic beliefs. So must be his covering up of the child abuse. I am against the vatican and the principles of the catholic church full stop, it is a religion that belongs in the stone ages, no place for it in a tolerant society that we should be. This pope is particularly vile as he was personally responsible for covering up abuse, intimidating and bribing abuse victims and obstructing justice but I still hate the catholic church and what it stands for with its stone age views towards women, homosexuals and contraception
September 16, 201014 yr as someone on twitter put it... "The Pope (ex hitler youth) from the vatican (silent consent of the holocaust) claims Nazis (led by a christian) are the result of atheism..." Exactly.
September 16, 201014 yr So am I right in thinking that it's not the office of Pope that people are actually against but about the current holder of that office? Any Pope disagrees with condom use and abortion and homosexuality though as they're the Catholic beliefs. So must be his covering up of the child abuse. The death of the pope (sooner and most painfully the better) will make no difference as another stone age bigot will take over and enforce the same old $h!t and backward "values" on the flock so catholicism should be treated as a backward religion and as a pariah until it gets its house in order and preaches values fitting with a civilised society
September 16, 201014 yr http://files.stv.tv/img/galleries/papal-visit-glasgow/590x331/glasgow-pope-baby.jpg THE POPE STEALS BABIES.
September 16, 201014 yr Here is the speech that Pope Benedict gave: Even in our own lifetime, we can recall how Britain and her leaders stood against a Nazi tyranny that wished to eradicate God from society and denied our common humanity to many, especially the Jews, who were thought unfit to live. I also recall the regime’s attitude to Christian pastors and religious who spoke the truth in love, opposed the Nazis and paid for that opposition with their lives. As we reflect on the sobering lessons of the atheist extremism of the twentieth century, let us never forget how the exclusion of God, religion and virtue from public life leads ultimately to a truncated vision of man and of society and thus to a "reductive vision of the person and his destiny" Note that Pope Benedict didn't directly refer to the Nazi regime as an atheist regime, he was talking generally about the harm state atheism in the 20th century caused to countries such as Russia and other communist state. And whilst Hitler wasn't an atheist, he sure as hell wasn't a Christian either.
September 16, 201014 yr It's funny how people are trying to make atheism look evil when you look at the crimes the pope has been behind. God isnt real, I dont get how this causes harm.
September 16, 201014 yr "1816: The Pope has a special message for the young people of Scotland, saying they face many temptations including drugs, money, sex, pornography and alcohol: "These things are destructive... the one thing that lasts is the love of Jesus Christ."" I've had a very destructive youth, i need to love jesus more.
September 16, 201014 yr Sadly NONE of this common sense will make the BLINDEST bit of difference. Religion is one of those things where otherwise intelligent and good people are happy to walk around with their eyes closed and their ears blocked. The Pope will be given a hero's welcome to this country, and it makes me utterly ashamed.
September 16, 201014 yr Author Here is the speech that Pope Benedict gave: Note that Pope Benedict didn't directly refer to the Nazi regime as an atheist regime, he was talking generally about the harm state atheism in the 20th century caused to countries such as Russia and other communist state. And whilst Hitler wasn't an atheist, he sure as hell wasn't a Christian either. Hmmm, didn't Hitler once actually justify his persecution of Jews by saying that the Jews denied the son of god ? So, if he's not a "Christian", then what was he? Hitler definitely had religious beliefs, and Craig is quite correct, Pope Pious appeased Hitler... And, Chris, no, I'm not removing my sig, you're only a "Catholic" when it suits you.. ie, to get your kid into a Catholic school which gets good exam results.. You're a hypocrite...
September 16, 201014 yr Author The Pope will be given a hero's welcome to this country, and it makes me utterly ashamed. Spot on.. Only, I'm not so much ashamed as bloody furious by all these blindly obedient fools are fawning over this creep despite all the mountains of evidence which points to his personal involvement in covering up child sex abuse... And most of these cretins would be the first ones getting the torches and pitch-forks out if an alleged sex offender moved into their neighbourhoods...
September 16, 201014 yr As a Catholic I am deeply offended by Scott's sig. and politely request that he removes it. As a forum user, I am deeply offended by your presence here and politley request you return to underneath your bridge.
September 16, 201014 yr Surely Chris was only winding up about the sig! Wasn't he? :unsure: I visited mum today and she had this on ... I switched over to Nanny 911 and then we watched Brigadoon. My mum's old and is a regular church going Catholic so I can't really go slagging off the Pope in front of her even though for years we (my sisters and brother) have let it known we've been totally against the 'stuff' that goes with the Vatican. Yes the recent revelations of sexual crimes have been disgusting but even before that ... its all the pomp and circumstance that goes with it. All those riches and luxury that surround the Pope and his cardinals, etc ... this is what has been making me mad before any of these recent crimes came to light. I am a Catholic and I believe that there was a bloke called Jesus ... who to my mind ... from what is said of him and his actions ... from the readings and gospels (when I do occasionally go to mass) he was a Communist and would be disgusted by the Catholic church as it stands today. But when I have been to mass (both Catholic and C of E) I look round at the congregation and think 'we're all hypocrites'. We're here celebrating the life and work of a Communist and yet we're all a bunch of NIMBY's and intolerants ... and capitalists. To my mind ... anyone who is a capitalist should not go to church ... or even watch Songs of Praise! That's what I think anyway. Kath And Scott ... I like your sig ... I think it is very apt! Edited September 16, 201014 yr by Kathyp
September 17, 201014 yr If only all Catholics had as much of an open mind as Kathy :( I have to be open minded. Much to my own chagrin .... I had my son baptised a Catholic (thus burdening him with the Catholic Guilt that I've been burdened with by my parents) but it just sort of happened. I suppose having him baptised a Catholic was a result of that Catholic Guilt. At my son's christening there were three gay blokes as guests ... one of whom is my son's Godfather. He was a bit worried given the words we all had to say during the 'ritual' but we got by because I know that he was the only person I wanted as my son's Godfather. One of the other gay blokes there was another good friend of ours ... a man in his 70's who is a Catholic and has never missed a Sunday mass ... ever! Sure ... he knows how the 'big chiefs' of the Church look down on homosexuality ... but it won't stop him going to church ... he goes because he has an affinity with the work of this bloke called Jesus. I sound like a real preachy person here ... believe me ... I'm not. Although I go to church now and again ... the only time I'm certain of going is at weddings and funerals. I just don't think that the work of that bloke Jesus should be tarnished by what the Head of the Catholic Church stands for now. Watch some old episodes of The Borgias .... just see how much those old popes liked their sex! Kath
September 17, 201014 yr It is 100% the same thing It is allowing schools to discriminate on the basis of religion, a form of religious apartheid so IMHO it is no different to discriminating on the basis of colour. And having 'all girls schools' and 'all boys schools' is sexual discrimination. Do you not agree? Kath
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