September 2, 201014 yr At the very least she needs sterilising so that she can't have any kids if thats the very least then what more?! I am not heartless even if I am right wing but unlike you I have run a business including one years ago that was turning over 7 figures a year so am far more equipped than you to understand harsh business realities, incase you hadn't noticed the country is on a verge of a double dip recession, VAT is going up so business orders are going to go down significantly and property prices are going to fall too so people are going to be less confident about spending so it is simply not practical to effectively double his salary while at the same time this time next year giving him less goods to deliver. And for the record I am in favour of the minimum wage I actually agree with this, at least partially. In the Greens' manifesto they suggested raising the minimum wage to £7.10. As much as i think that some of the lowest wages are pretty unfair at the moment, £7.10 would really cripple small businesses if it were to be implemented today and i don't see how small towns or villages which rely heavily on tourism/crafts/pubs etc. would function. It's only small trade and relatively insignificant compared to the whole country, but still. We have 58m people living here and are a tiny island, our roads are exceptionally overcrowded, our green belt is being eroded to build new houses, our hospitals and schools are overcrowded etc Not true, away from the south east i'm sure there's plenty of space, most of it isn't particularly that great to look at. There certainly is here, very little things built in the last 50 years and in some parts of the Peaks i don't see why not.
September 2, 201014 yr if thats the very least then what more?! I actually agree with this, at least partially. In the Greens' manifesto they suggested raising the minimum wage to £7.10. As much as i think that some of the lowest wages are pretty unfair at the moment, £7.10 would really cripple small businesses if it were to be implemented today and i don't see how small towns or villages which rely heavily on tourism/crafts/pubs etc. would function. It's only small trade and relatively insignificant compared to the whole country, but still. Not true, away from the south east i'm sure there's plenty of space, most of it isn't particularly that great to look at. There certainly is here, very little things built in the last 50 years and in some parts of the Peaks i don't see why not. Yeah I live in South London/ Surrey borders and the roads and everywhere else around here are packed :/ would love to do a house swap with you lol
September 2, 201014 yr I actually agree with this, at least partially. In the Greens' manifesto they suggested raising the minimum wage to £7.10. As much as i think that some of the lowest wages are pretty unfair at the moment, £7.10 would really cripple small businesses if it were to be implemented today and i don't see how small towns or villages which rely heavily on tourism/crafts/pubs etc. would function. It's only small trade and relatively insignificant compared to the whole country, but still. Tax breaks for businesses that do offer a living wage?
September 2, 201014 yr Tax breaks for businesses that do offer a living wage? Why? That way we still end up subsidising companies to pay a decent wage but in a different way from now where we subsidise them through the benefits system. I accept that, if the minimum wage is to be increased substantially, there may need to be different rules for small businesses and start-ups but we shouldn't be subsidising the likes of Tesco at all.
September 2, 201014 yr Why? That way we still end up subsidising companies to pay a decent wage but in a different way from now where we subsidise them through the benefits system. I accept that, if the minimum wage is to be increased substantially, there may need to be different rules for small businesses and start-ups but we shouldn't be subsidising the likes of Tesco at all. I think ideally I'd like specifically just the smallest businesses to get tax cuts for providing a living wage so that they can cope, if such a system isn't too difficult to administer - as you say, the likes of Tesco (or any other businesses whose owner can afford private healthcare) have no excuse not to be doing it already.
September 2, 201014 yr Why? That way we still end up subsidising companies to pay a decent wage but in a different way from now where we subsidise them through the benefits system. I accept that, if the minimum wage is to be increased substantially, there may need to be different rules for small businesses and start-ups but we shouldn't be subsidising the likes of Tesco at all. Oh of course. Tax brackets, then perhaps? Do businesses even HAVE tax brackets?
September 2, 201014 yr Lowest paid workers are being taken out of tax altogether, some 800,000 lowest paid workers (minimum wage) won't be paying tax at all now thanks to the budget Rather than burden employers with inflationary pay rises it is far better to change tax allowances for the lowest paid and keep the minimum wage as it is
September 2, 201014 yr Lowest paid workers are being taken out of tax altogether, some 800,000 lowest paid workers (minimum wage) won't be paying tax at all now thanks to the budget Rather than burden employers with inflationary pay rises it is far better to change tax allowances for the lowest paid and keep the minimum wage as it is Thanks to the Lib Dem input to the budget. The aim should be for anyone on the minimum wage to pay no income tax at all.
September 2, 201014 yr I think ideally I'd like specifically just the smallest businesses to get tax cuts for providing a living wage so that they can cope, if such a system isn't too difficult to administer - as you say, the likes of Tesco (or any other businesses whose owner can afford private healthcare) have no excuse not to be doing it already. It is not practical burdening the likes of Tesco with increased costs, they employ around 200,000 people in this country, lets say for arguments sake 150,000 of those are on minimum wage (check out people/shelf stackers etc), giving each of them say an extra £2 an hour would increase Tesco's costs by £300,000 an HOUR, over a year that is a scary amount of money and how will Tesco's fund this ? by putting up prices that's how which in turn leads to inflation.
September 2, 201014 yr Thanks to the Lib Dem input to the budget. The aim should be for anyone on the minimum wage to pay no income tax at all. If it is done over a period of time, gradually raising allowances and not done all in one go I would not have any objections to that
September 2, 201014 yr It is not practical burdening the likes of Tesco with increased costs, they employ around 200,000 people in this country, lets say for arguments sake 150,000 of those are on minimum wage (check out people/shelf stackers etc), giving each of them say an extra £2 an hour would increase Tesco's costs by £300,000 an HOUR, over a year that is a scary amount of money and how will Tesco's fund this ? by putting up prices that's how which in turn leads to inflation. Pretty affordable given they have an operating income of about £3 and a half billion...
September 2, 201014 yr Pretty affordable given they have an operating income of about £3 and a half billion... Money has to be invested though in factories, in upgrading stores, in creating new stores and so on it doesn't just go in bonuses to Terry Leahy etc
September 2, 201014 yr Pretty affordable given they have an operating income of about £3 and a half billion... Yes, their profits in the year to February were £3.4 billion. A large part of that stems from them being able to pay staff the minimum wage safe in the knowledge that the taxpayer will pick up the rest of the bill. That is totally unacceptable.
September 2, 201014 yr It is not practical burdening the likes of Tesco with increased costs, they employ around 200,000 people in this country, lets say for arguments sake 150,000 of those are on minimum wage (check out people/shelf stackers etc), giving each of them say an extra £2 an hour would increase Tesco's costs by £300,000 an HOUR, over a year that is a scary amount of money and how will Tesco's fund this ? by putting up prices that's how which in turn leads to inflation. Again, these are the same old arguments that were made against the minimum wage.
September 3, 201014 yr It is not practical burdening the likes of Tesco with increased costs, they employ around 200,000 people in this country, lets say for arguments sake 150,000 of those are on minimum wage (check out people/shelf stackers etc), giving each of them say an extra £2 an hour would increase Tesco's costs by £300,000 an HOUR, over a year that is a scary amount of money and how will Tesco's fund this ? by putting up prices that's how which in turn leads to inflation. Yeah, and the hundreds of millions in profits they've got squirrelled away in offshore tax havens...? Just sitting there... Doing nothing... <_< Fukk Tesco, dont expect me to feel sorry for these c'unts... They're gonna fiddle their taxes, then they can use the money to pay a decent living wage to their underpaid employees instead and bring them off the breadline....
September 3, 201014 yr I may come across as a bratty teenager Grimly, but you come across as someone who doesnt accept anyone elses opinion on anything. Im surprised your head can fit in this thread. Good day and good night. Well, sorry, but I'm not gonna sit here and listen to you talk a lot of uninformed, anti-working class sh"te and then spout out a lot of "Daily Heil"-style editorial.... I'll listen to someone when they actually make sense, but nothing you've said on this thread actually makes any sense at all... You made out like they were "Chavs" when in fact they're NOT, a "Chav" is defined as someone who hasn't done an honest day's work in their life, and is a serial scrounger or dole cheat (up in Scotland we call these people "neds"), these people are Working Class or Working Poor, they are poor but the bloke actually works for a living and isn't on hand-outs, so get that fact right because, seriously you do yourself no favours whatsoever by profligating such blatant innaccuracies on this forum... Come up with an opinion that isn't a complete load of crap, and maybe I'll listen....
September 3, 201014 yr What do people suggest this lady do then? She cant cope and has 10 children? Well, what the hell do YOU suggest she do then, you've had me and several other people on this thread point out the fact that the kids would hardly be any better off if they were in Local Authority care, so what's your big idea......? Labour and Tory Govts have both made the claim that they are there to aid and to help hard-working families... Well, time for them to put words into action and fukkin' well PROVE IT.... <_<
September 3, 201014 yr Yeah, and the hundreds of millions in profits they've got squirrelled away in offshore tax havens...? Just sitting there... Doing nothing... <_< Fukk Tesco, dont expect me to feel sorry for these c'unts... They're gonna fiddle their taxes, then they can use the money to pay a decent living wage to their underpaid employees instead and bring them off the breadline.... But do you seriously think Tesco or anyone else will do that ? They will instead put the squeeze on their suppliers and harass farmers to reduce their margins and also put up prices on other products to make up the extra cost of meeting the wage increases which in turn puts up inflation which in turn affects us all. Tescos is not a charity it is there to make a profit and pay dividends to it's shareholders, if they pay extra £2 an hour to their low paid employees they will make the same profit as like I said they will simply put up prices
September 3, 201014 yr But do you seriously think Tesco or anyone else will do that ? They will instead put the squeeze on their suppliers and harass farmers to reduce their margins and also put up prices on other products to make up the extra cost of meeting the wage increases which in turn puts up inflation which in turn affects us all. Tescos is not a charity it is there to make a profit and pay dividends to it's shareholders, if they pay extra £2 an hour to their low paid employees they will make the same profit as like I said they will simply put up prices They should be compelled to do it, simple as, it's about time that Democratically elected governments started acting in the interests of the VOTERS and the WORKERS and not in the interests of a minority of multi-millionaires... The likes of you or I wouldn't get away with the strokes Tesco pulls, so the odds are stacked in their favour every time, it's downright WRONG mate... The minimum wage should go up to £7 for people in London and the South East, and other cities such as Edinburgh where costs of living are much higher, we can negotiate about the rest of the country.... These profits I'm talking about are in offshore tax havens, how can they pay them to shareholders anyway...? And I'd bring in pricing laws to prevent them from passing on the costs to consumers and Fair Trade laws to prevent harrassment of farmers... I dont give a sh"t about their shareholders, they know the risks... We're all supposed to be "feeling the pain", time for the likes of Tesco to feel a bit too if you ask me....
September 3, 201014 yr It is not practical burdening the likes of Tesco with increased costs, they employ around 200,000 people in this country, lets say for arguments sake 150,000 of those are on minimum wage (check out people/shelf stackers etc), giving each of them say an extra £2 an hour would increase Tesco's costs by £300,000 an HOUR, over a year that is a scary amount of money and how will Tesco's fund this ? by putting up prices that's how which in turn leads to inflation. But Chris its the taxpayer (who you're always going on about) who picks up the cost of large companies like Tesco taking advantage of the minimum wage. You are subsidising Tesco ... because for every job going there (not just them ... other 'super' companies) that is minimum wage ... will more than likely be topped up with tax credits ... just look on the Job Centre Plus website and see how many companies are gleefully stating this! Or rather the site says it on their behalf! Kath
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