September 9, 201014 yr It's only been called off on the understanding that they'll move the location of the Mosque planned for near Ground Zero. Just seen this on BBC... bloody ridiculous.. giving into the nutjobs much?!
September 9, 201014 yr O dear. What a disappoint to visit this forum and notice once again the posting of propaganda along with a discussion that doesn't even recognise it. It's no wonder ThisIsPop left. GRIMLY FIENDISH I must ask what happened to you, years ago you used to have an insight into the world - a grasp of what was politically going on, now you don't see an elephant standing in front of you. The media coverage of this situation is politically created, whipped up and exploited by the pro-war, anti-liberty campaigners to shift focus away from its own position which increasingly is looking like they don't care for the troops and then point the finger elsewhere - across to the anti-war politicians. Of course the truth is having troops fighting and constant(daily?) deathly abroad is suppose to be nothing like an in-sighting as burning a religion book. Kinda clever manipulation, you have to hand it to the political manipulators, yet it's so blinding obvious, but apparently no one on this forum can see it for what it is. This forum occasionally talk about how dumb America voters are yet here you fall into the same pit. Well I don't intent to engage in further discussion here, there just is no point anymore, this forum may as well be renamed propaganda corner.
September 9, 201014 yr It's only been called off on the understanding that they'll move the location of the Mosque planned for near Ground Zero. The mosque/community centre being so close to Ground Zero was disrespectful to the dead of 9/11 but it is bad that this exchange is happening as this crazed redneck will be seen as a hero now when infact he is nothing more than an oversized cockroach who should crawl back under a stone Am pleased there is no mosque near Ground Zero and am pleased no koran burning but to do it this way is appalling
September 9, 201014 yr The people behind the community centre (not a mosque) are denying that they have agreed to move it. I hope they're telling the truth.
September 10, 201014 yr O dear. And my mum told me the main aspects of Christianity is forgiveness. 2 Wrongs don't be make a right. This is a sickening act for someone of "faith" to do. It will not solve the situation at all. It will make the situation worse. In addition, this man is clearly trying news time as he's always changing his mind. In conclusion, I'm glad this has come out it's shows how the Americans are too, extremists. P.S. I don't think the title of this thread is suitable for the matter in hand.
September 10, 201014 yr The people behind the community centre (not a mosque) are denying that they have agreed to move it. I hope they're telling the truth. Yes and he says he may now have to reconsider his promise to call off the burning. It's getting ridiculous now. :rolleyes:
September 10, 201014 yr Without wishing to make light of a very touchy situation ... these copies of the Koran ... where did he get them all from? Surely there can't be many bookshops in Florida stocking them. How did he get his hands on them? I agree with a previous poster though ... all the publicity surrounding this is just to deflect away from real problems. Did anyone see the very first newscast of this 'story'. Before this ... this Pastor whatever had a congregation of about six people ... including himself and the organist! Now he's front page news ... it'll boost his congregation for a couple of weeks I suppose. Kath
September 10, 201014 yr Apparently people were posting them anonymously to him when he announced what he planned to do!
September 10, 201014 yr Author The mosque/community centre being so close to Ground Zero was disrespectful to the dead of 9/11 but it is bad that this exchange is happening as this crazed redneck will be seen as a hero now when infact he is nothing more than an oversized cockroach who should crawl back under a stone Am pleased there is no mosque near Ground Zero and am pleased no koran burning but to do it this way is appalling Why? It's NOT A MOSQUE, fool.... It's an Islamic community centre with a Prayer room (I mean, jeez, I thought we'd actually managed to knock that fallacy propogated by the likes of Sarah Stalin, oh, sorry, PALIN, on the head, at least on this forum)... And besides, no such promise has even been given. The folks in New York dont know sh"t about it... This stupid little Pastor has minsinterpreted (probably deliberately so) an offer from an Imam in Florida to travel up to New York to TALK to the people planning the Islamic centre..... Since when does talking and discussion become a promise to move..? It doesn't, there never was a promise to move the centre, Pastor Jones has chosen to interpret it in this way... Proving that he's an even bigger fool than I gave him credit for.... The Community Centre (not a Mosque) is several blocks away and is about a 10 minute walk from "Ground Zero".... I really dont see what the big deal is....
September 10, 201014 yr Author P.S. I don't think the title of this thread is suitable for the matter in hand. What's inappropriate about it..? Surely burning books, ANY books, for some ridiculous reason as Pastor Jones has, is a supreme act of idiocy....
September 10, 201014 yr Author O dear. What a disappoint to visit this forum and notice once again the posting of propaganda along with a discussion that doesn't even recognise it. It's no wonder ThisIsPop left. GRIMLY FIENDISH I must ask what happened to you, years ago you used to have an insight into the world - a grasp of what was politically going on, now you don't see an elephant standing in front of you. The media coverage of this situation is politically created, whipped up and exploited by the pro-war, anti-liberty campaigners to shift focus away from its own position which increasingly is looking like they don't care for the troops and then point the finger elsewhere - across to the anti-war politicians. Of course the truth is having troops fighting and constant(daily?) deathly abroad is suppose to be nothing like an in-sighting as burning a religion book. Kinda clever manipulation, you have to hand it to the political manipulators, yet it's so blinding obvious, but apparently no one on this forum can see it for what it is. This forum occasionally talk about how dumb America voters are yet here you fall into the same pit. Well I don't intent to engage in further discussion here, there just is no point anymore, this forum may as well be renamed propaganda corner. I really dont see what your point is here to be honest... I can agree that Pastor Jones and his gang of modern-day philistines have been given far too much publicity out of this in the mainstream media, but as for the rest of it, nonsense.... Who's even talking about the Anti-War politicians in this particular debate...? Obama himself voted against the war, and he's been completely and utterly consistent in his position - that it puts more lives at risk, that it's clearly the best propaganda that Al Qaeda could possibly, and that it could lead to more acts of terror... Do I wish the Media had perhaps ignored this clown? Of course, but the genie's out of the bottle now... And, where is the "liberty" in book-burning...? The people who burn books (for example, Hitler, Stalin and Senator McCarthy) have no such interests in "liberty" or "freedom".....
September 10, 201014 yr Apparently people were posting them anonymously to him when he announced what he planned to do! So in a state that is predominently made up of Christians they just so happened to have a copy of the Koran at hand to dispose of. Either that or they went out of their way to (try and find an Islamic bookshop - or a shop that would stock the Koran) to buy one. I wouldn't be surprised if this whole thing is just made up and the guy has been offered a huge sum for his church (his own wallet) to make up a non-story for the media with the specific intention of 'outraging' people. We'll probably find out that the 'pastor' is an old out of work character actor who can make more money out of hate than cameo appearances. Kath
September 10, 201014 yr Why? It's NOT A MOSQUE, fool.... It's an Islamic community centre with a Prayer room (I mean, jeez, I thought we'd actually managed to knock that fallacy propogated by the likes of Sarah Stalin, oh, sorry, PALIN, on the head, at least on this forum)... And besides, no such promise has even been given. The folks in New York dont know sh"t about it... This stupid little Pastor has minsinterpreted (probably deliberately so) an offer from an Imam in Florida to travel up to New York to TALK to the people planning the Islamic centre..... Since when does talking and discussion become a promise to move..? It doesn't, there never was a promise to move the centre, Pastor Jones has chosen to interpret it in this way... Proving that he's an even bigger fool than I gave him credit for.... The Community Centre (not a Mosque) is several blocks away and is about a 10 minute walk from "Ground Zero".... I really dont see what the big deal is.... Community centres do have a reputation for being breeding grounds for extremists though, it would not be at all unlikely if the next 9/11 was planned within view of the last one. Community centres like this do tend to attract radicals and extremists A mosque would probably be safer
September 10, 201014 yr O dear. What a disappoint to visit this forum and notice once again the posting of propaganda along with a discussion that doesn't even recognise it. It's no wonder ThisIsPop left. GRIMLY FIENDISH I must ask what happened to you, years ago you used to have an insight into the world - a grasp of what was politically going on, now you don't see an elephant standing in front of you. The media coverage of this situation is politically created, whipped up and exploited by the pro-war, anti-liberty campaigners to shift focus away from its own position which increasingly is looking like they don't care for the troops and then point the finger elsewhere - across to the anti-war politicians. Of course the truth is having troops fighting and constant(daily?) deathly abroad is suppose to be nothing like an in-sighting as burning a religion book. Kinda clever manipulation, you have to hand it to the political manipulators, yet it's so blinding obvious, but apparently no one on this forum can see it for what it is. This forum occasionally talk about how dumb America voters are yet here you fall into the same pit. Well I don't intent to engage in further discussion here, there just is no point anymore, this forum may as well be renamed propaganda corner. Wow. That's quite the conspiracy theory. If the authorities HAVE created this situation, it's backfiring on them, given we're now already seeing protests and further violence in Afghanistan over this. And if they WERE engineering this situation for propaganda purposes, they certainly wouldn't have the pastor running about claiming that they'd agreed to give in and move the Moslem centre!
September 10, 201014 yr Author Community centres do have a reputation for being breeding grounds for extremists though, it would not be at all unlikely if the next 9/11 was planned within view of the last one. Community centres like this do tend to attract radicals and extremists A mosque would probably be safer WTF are you on about Craig...? 9/11 was planned by SAUDIS, not native New Yorkers, and there's been no such "plans" of a similar terrorist plot originating in New York since then, so it's all media sensationalism and deliberate misinformation..... The Community Centre is actually there for all New Yorkers, not just for Muslims... Pure ignorance of the facts.... Did you even bother to read Charlie Brooker's article...? So, if a Mosque is "safer" in your view, then what's your problem with an actual Mosque in the general area...? I could perhaps see your point if they were actually planning the thing where the Twin Towers were, but they're not, it's 10 minutes away from the site....... I mean, it really takes the biscuit that you're so opposed to this, but have no problems whatsoever with fukkin' Isrealis stealing land off of Palestinians.... Hypocrite..... -_-
September 10, 201014 yr Author Direct quote from the article... "Cordoba House, as it's known, is a proposed Islamic cultural centre, which, in addition to a prayer room, will include a basketball court, restaurant, and swimming pool. Its aim is to improve inter-faith relations" Yes, these Islamic devils, how dare they..... -_-
September 10, 201014 yr He's a complete idiot for this, but the media need to share responsibility for the massive $h!tstorm it's turned into. This was a small congregation of 50 nutters who are not representative of, well, anyone but themselves basically. The press shouldn't be giving these people the time of day - it's irresponsible reporting as far as I'm concerned, because if he HAD have went ahead with this, it could have seen worldwide violence and backlash. Heck there's protests and violence in Afghanistan today anyway, even though it didn't happen! That's the downside of living in a media saturated world - word travels quickly, even if it shouldn't.
September 10, 201014 yr Author He's a complete idiot for this, but the media need to share responsibility for the massive $h!tstorm it's turned into. This was a small congregation of 50 nutters who are not representative of, well, anyone but themselves basically. The press shouldn't be giving these people the time of day - it's irresponsible reporting as far as I'm concerned, because if he HAD have went ahead with this, it could have seen worldwide violence and backlash. Heck there's protests and violence in Afghanistan today anyway, even though it didn't happen! That's the downside of living in a media saturated world - word travels quickly, even if it shouldn't. Yeah, I really love how now all of a sudden whether he does it or not is all dependent on whether or not plans for an Islamic centre in the same sort of general neighbourhood as the Twin Towers are scrapped or not... I cant even see most of his "flock" even being capable of seeing a bigger picture.... :lol: I guess if things really do kick off in Afghanistan big time over this, it's gonna slightly kibosh the plans to start withdrawing troops there from 2011 onwards.... I suppose this could be the "conspiracy" to which Ricky was inferring....
September 10, 201014 yr What's inappropriate about it..? Surely burning books, ANY books, for some ridiculous reason as Pastor Jones has, is a supreme act of idiocy.... Yes I do agree with that respect. But as a moderator of this forum and making a thread like this you should take into account the type of name you would call a story like this. Edited September 10, 201014 yr by Kieran.
September 11, 201014 yr The people behind the community centre (not a mosque) are denying that they have agreed to move it. I hope they're telling the truth. I would've loved if the iman had called the bigoted pastor's bluff and said "OK, we won't build a mosque there" and gone ahead and built the CULTURAL CENTRE (which is further away from Ground Zero than a porn store) there.
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