Posted September 11, 201014 yr ..No, seriously, this is a question that I want answered... We have this date (I'm not gonna call it "9/11", sorry) stamped into our brains and into our collective psyches as if it was the most important thing to happen since World War 2... Sorry, but it just plain ISN'T.... It might be the most important thing to happen to America since Pearl Harbour, but as for the rest of the world, why should we be expected to give a damn...? Should the Vietnamese care..? Should the Iraqis care...? Should the Hondurans, El Salvadorans or Panamanians care....? Should the Palestinians care....? I would seriously dispute that..... In fact, should WE care, after all, plenty of "Irish Americans" in New York were quite happy to raise funds for the IRA through Noraid which got them plenty of Armalites and Semtex one would imagine, final death count during the Troubles was 3000+, coincidentally, more or less the same death count at the Twin Towers.... Karma...? The fact is, the Media and the Politicians want us to wring our hands and "reflect" about this day more than any other... Why would that be you suppose...? You dont exactly see them make a big deal about the dates of the beginning of the Afghan or (illegal) war in Iraq do you...? We're not exactly invited to reflect too much upon either of those days... Becaus, well, that would be like the politicians and the media admitting they did something wrong and having to apologise for it, wouldn't it...? So, we get another Sept 11 "tribute" instead, you know, to take our minds off the really, really bad sh"t America has done since the end of WW2, I mean, after all, if we actually thought about Vietnam, US involvement in Central America, the fact that they gave Israel illegal nukes and looked the other way as the Zionists stole land off the Palestinians and murdered them, then we might actually conclude, well, the US kinda had it coming, and this is before we even get onto Iraq or Afghanistan and our own complicity in that..... Also, another element has to be the Western-centrism of the media - Yeah, let's make a big deal about 3000 dead stockbrokers in New York and not really give a sh"t about one million dead Rwandans or 500,000 dead Iraqis.... Or the hundreds of thousands of dead Sudanese either come to think of it.... Where's THEIR day of commemoration and media hand-wringing....? In fact, Bosnia/Ethnic Cleansing doesn't seem to merit too much of a mention these days either does it, and that happened in Europe's own "backyard" so to speak.... Sorry if this offends anyone, but I am really, really sick of hearing about "9/11" now, more important things have happened, simple as, and the title of this Forum is "Perspectives", so I think it's time to put Sept 11th into some kind of perspective, and look at the US's actions before and after this date.....
September 11, 201014 yr It's still a highly significant date. Most of the worst of Blair can be traced directly back to that date. Not just the invasion of Iraq but the worst of Labour's anti civil liberties legislation were a direct response to the events of September 11 2001.
September 11, 201014 yr plus i think it's even more significant because we watched it unfold in front of our very eyes live on the news so a lot of people have a lot of emotional attachments to the whole thing because of that.
September 11, 201014 yr Author plus i think it's even more significant because we watched it unfold in front of our very eyes live on the news so a lot of people have a lot of emotional attachments to the whole thing because of that. Same goes for "shock and awe" though.....
September 11, 201014 yr Why should we care? Because it was the worst terrorist attack in the world ever and a lot of British people died too. Have you forgotten those? One mother was on the BBC news this morning saying her grief is as raw as ever. :( I find the fact that you start a thread asking why should we care on this day very offensive Scott but it doesn't surprise me really. Doubt you'd be starting it if you'd lost someone that day. :rolleyes: They weren't all stockbrokers either. Restaurant workers, clerical workers, secretaries, the plane passengers, several hundred firemen and police officers. Honestly you disgust me Scott starting such a thread today. Edited September 11, 201014 yr by Common Sense
September 11, 201014 yr Exactly. It might not be right that the other events GRIMLY mentions are now mostly forgotten, but the effects of 9/11 are still very much being felt on a global scale, in a way Vietnam or Bosnia simply isn't.
September 11, 201014 yr Author It's still a highly significant date. Most of the worst of Blair can be traced directly back to that date. Not just the invasion of Iraq but the worst of Labour's anti civil liberties legislation were a direct response to the events of September 11 2001. True, but that's hardly a commemoration is it...? Which is how the Media wants us to react to it....
September 11, 201014 yr Author but the effects of 9/11 are still very much being felt on a global scale, in a way Vietnam or Bosnia simply isn't. Yes, but why....? I view it as the Western-centric media only caring about its own backyard and nothing else.... Which is disgusting IMO....
September 11, 201014 yr Author Why should we care? Because it was the worst terrorist attack in the world ever and a lot of British people died too. One mother was on the BBC news this morning saying her grief is as raw as ever. :( I find the fact that you start a thread asking why should we care on this day very offensive Scott but it doesn't surprise me really. Doubt you'd be starting it if you'd lost someone that day. :rolleyes: They weren't all stockbrokers either. Restaurant workers, clerical workers, secretaries, the plane passengers. Honestly you disgust me Scott starting such a thread today. I've contextualised it Chris... But, hey, way to go for missing the point of the question.... As usual... I'm offended that I'm expected to care and expected to spend this day hand-wringing and fretting over it.... I simply dont see why I should be expected to do that... And I dont see why the average Iraqi or Afghan should be expected to care either..... Worst terrorist attack...? Bollocks... That would be "shock and awe" mate.... The murder of 26,000 Iraqi civilians in two days.... A war crime.... Why is it not called "terrorism" when the state does it, but when a group of individuals do it... Fukk off with that sh"t.... Blair and Bush are just as bad a pair of terrorists as Bin Laden or Zarkawi..... <_<
September 11, 201014 yr I've contextualised it Chris... But, hey, way to go for missing the point of the question.... As usual... I'm offended that I'm expected to care and expected to spend this day hand-wringing and fretting over it.... I simply dont see why I should be expected to do that... And I dont see why the average Iraqi or Afghan should be expected to care either..... Who says you're expected to care and fret today Scott? Nobody is forcing you to give it a second thought. I'm going to watch the New York commemoration at Ground Zero live online soon. Wonder if Sky News will carry it live too. No-one's forcing anyone to do so though and it's not on terrestrial TV here. I'd imagine it'll be more prominant next year on the 10th Anniversary. Edited September 11, 201014 yr by Common Sense
September 11, 201014 yr 9/11 will always be remembered, they probably commemorate 10 years next year.
September 11, 201014 yr Worst terrorist attack...? Bollocks... That would be "shock and awe" mate.... The murder of 26,000 Iraqi civilians in two days.... A war crime.... Why is it not called "terrorism" when the state does it, but when a group of individuals do it... Fukk off with that sh"t.... Blair and Bush are just as bad a pair of terrorists as Bin Laden or Zarkawi..... <_< That is classed as an Act of War Scott and not terrorism and rightly so in my opinion.
September 11, 201014 yr Author Who says you're expected to care and fret today Scott? Nobody is forcing you to give it a second thought. I'm going to watch the New York commemoration at Ground Zero live online soon. Wonder if Sky News will carry it live too. No-one's forcing anyone to do so though and it's not on terrestrial TV here. I'd imagine it'll be more prominant next year on the 10th Anniversary. This is exactly what I'm talking about you idiot.... A commemoration for bloody "9/11", but you just wait til next March when there's precisely NOTHING to commemorate the innocent kids who were killed in Iraq by American and British bombs.... Fukk if you dont even understand the point I'm actually making, then you really are pretty dimwitted......
September 11, 201014 yr Author That is classed as an Act of War Scott and not terrorism and rightly so in my opinion. No second UN resolution = Illegal war = terrorism = war crimes.... -_-
September 11, 201014 yr This is exactly what I'm talking about you idiot.... A commemoration for bloody "9/11", but you just wait til next March when there's precisely NOTHING to commemorate the innocent kids who were killed in Iraq by American and British bombs.... Fukk if you dont even understand the point I'm actually making, then you really are pretty dimwitted...... I am not dimwitted at all. I do get your point. Course I do but this is an iconic date in US and World history Scott. Millions watched live as those towers fell and it was a huge news story. The date when the Iraq war started isn't. How many people can even name that date cos I can't. I think it was March 2003. Just think you're wrong on this one and your thread today is just another excuse to rant and rave at the Iraq war, Bush and Blair. Still think it's very insensitive. Edited September 11, 201014 yr by Common Sense
September 11, 201014 yr Author 9/11 will always be remembered, they probably commemorate 10 years next year. Yeah, and I expect is gonna be one BIG "Boo-Hoo-Hoo", self-pity fest..... "Oh, why did they do this to us, these terrible terrorist....?" Well, maybe because YOUR GOVERNMENTS were fukkin around where they shouldn't have been in the first place... People DO seem to forget that Al Qaeda came about as a response to the FIRST Gulf Oil War in 1991..... :rolleyes:
September 11, 201014 yr No second UN resolution = Illegal war = terrorism = war crimes.... -_- Strange that only you and a few deluded others think that Scott. I don't see Blair or Bush up in a court in the Hague do you?
September 11, 201014 yr Author I am not dimwitted at all. I do get your point. Course I do buy but this is an iconic date in US and World history Scott. The date when the Iraq war started isn't. How many people can even mame that date cos I can't. Oh give me fukkin strength.... THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT YOU ARSEWIT........ :rolleyes: It's an iconic date in US history, NOT in ours...
September 11, 201014 yr Author I don't see Blair or Bush up in a court in the Hague do you? Yeah funny that eh, seeing as how they killed MORE people than Slobodan Milosevic and Radovan Karadzic put together.... Makes you wonder dunnit....? Well, probably not you because you're just a snivelling little Blair/Bush arselicker.....
September 11, 201014 yr Oh give me fukkin strength.... THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT YOU ARSEWIT........ :rolleyes: It's an iconic date in US history, NOT in ours... WORLD HISTORY. What about the British people who died that day? :rolleyes: About 200 I believe.
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