I can't believe that last post wasn't attempting to be funny.

 

Not at all

 

She accepts that tough action needs to be taken against long term unemployed people to get them working and not wasting their life on the dole, some of the things she says go beyond what IDS thinks, i have respect for her

What has Rachel Reeves said that goes beyond IDS?

What has Rachel Reeves said that goes beyond IDS?

 

I read a while back that she was going to time limit out of work benefits to 2 years, after that the claimant will be forced into work via a job guarantee, i firmly believe in time limiting out of work benefits, not even IDS has suggested a 2 year cap

I've not seen loads of Rachel Reeves, but from what I have seen, she seems to have all the politicians' bad habits, always sounding like she's reading off a script and just spouts meaningless "professional-speak" and cliches. Chuka Umunna is the same, even though he might be more "charismatic" on a surface level he has no authenticity -- I watched him Question Time a while ago, and he didn't make a single comment that came across as spontaneous or off-the-cuff. The fact those two are being tipped as future leaders is very worrying, because it suggests the people "in the know" at the top of the party are still blissfully unaware of what the biggest turnoffs from Labour are.

Edited January 30, 201411 yr by Danny

It doesn't tend to be people 'in the know' who are tipping Rachel Reeves as a future leader anymore (DWP has to be the biggest poisoned chalice for a Labour politician ever, as the only way of pleasing supporters effectively involves declaring war on anybody to the left of the Guardian. Which, regardless of the merits of doing that - I'd be all up for the action, if not the reaction - is probably never going to happen). Given she's got the charisma of a damp towel I'd probably put her down for potential first female Chancellor far more than future leader.

 

In fact, future leader speculation's pretty much died off totally in the last few months. The last time I saw anybody get speculation was Tristram Hunt for about a week after he was promoted to Shadow Education.

I've not seen loads of Rachel Reeves, but from what I have seen, she seems to have all the politicians' bad habits, always sounding like she's reading off a script and just spouts meaningless "professional-speak" and cliches. Chuka Umunna is the same, even though he might be more "charismatic" on a surface level he has no authenticity -- I watched him Question Time a while ago, and he didn't make a single comment that came across as spontaneous or off-the-cuff. The fact those two are being tipped as future leaders is very worrying, because it suggests the people "in the know" at the top of the party are still blissfully unaware of what the biggest turnoffs from Labour are.

 

You have just summed up 99% of MP's from all the parties really tbf

 

But Reeves does have her finger on the pulse when it comes to welfare and realises the culture of dependency has to end, for the sake of the nation, and of the claimants themselves

 

Reading up on her she doesn't want anyone to be out of work over 2 years, she doesn't want any able bodied person under 25 getting benefits, both of those are common sense things

I don't think anybody wants those things. We're in a position where we still have roughly five times as many people unemployed as we have vacancies in the UK. Having people in that position becomes kind of inevitable when that's the situation - especially as most competitive employers aren't exactly queueing up to hire people who've been out of work for two years.

 

And no, before you fire off your standard '2 million people on JSA should all simultaneously become eBay traders/start their own business!' suggestion, it'd be lovely if that kind of thing would work but it almost certainly wouldn't for the vast majority of them, even if they did have the resources.

I still can't believe anyone is dim enough to want to scrap benefits for under 25s.

Under 25s only get JSA UNLESS they have a dependant.

 

 

TRUST, I am 24 and can't even get Tax Credits until I turn 25 despite being eligible financially speaking.

Under 25s definitely are eligible for JSA - I had it for a few weeks last summer. Are you thinking of something else?

I don't think anybody wants those things. We're in a position where we still have roughly five times as many people unemployed as we have vacancies in the UK. Having people in that position becomes kind of inevitable when that's the situation - especially as most competitive employers aren't exactly queueing up to hire people who've been out of work for two years.

 

And no, before you fire off your standard '2 million people on JSA should all simultaneously become eBay traders/start their own business!' suggestion, it'd be lovely if that kind of thing would work but it almost certainly wouldn't for the vast majority of them, even if they did have the resources.

 

There are nearly 1m under 25s on benefits long term, fit and healthy young men and women, that is utterly unacceptable in a civilised nation, the culture of dependency in this country has to end, someone from Poland comes here and gets a job very quickly in most cases and they do it through knocking on doors of every shop, cafe, factory etc until they get a job, yet our homegrown young benefit claimants cant get a job, if they cant get one they are either

 

1) Not educated, in which case they should be sent for mandatory training in numeracy / literacy until they are

2) Not managing expectations, think that shop/cafe/ work is beneath them so wont apply

3) Not looking, prepared to spend their life sucking on the teat of welfare

4) Not looking hard enough

 

Under 25s if they know they have a safety net of £50-70 a week pocket money / beer money they wont bust a gut to get a job like the poles etc that arrive here, withdrawing benefits for all under 25s will send a rocket up their bums to do what the poles do and knock on every door asking for a job

Edited January 30, 201411 yr by Sandro Raniere

I still can't believe anyone is dim enough to want to scrap benefits for under 25s.

 

If a dog misbehaves their mindset can be changed by training them and they become decent well behaved dogs, their mindset can be changed completely, so there is no reason why a young person can not have their mindset changed completely and a work ethic drilled into them, this is hard to do when they are getting free money

Under 25s definitely are eligible for JSA - I had it for a few weeks last summer. Are you thinking of something else?

I meant that JSA is the only benefit that under 25's are able to get unless they have a dependent.

 

I spent 7 months of the last 15 on JSA.

Latest YouGov / The Sun results 30th January - Con 32%, Lab 42%, LD 8%, UKIP 12%; APP -21

 

Probably an outlier but no more so than the 1/2% leads earlier in the week were.

Edited January 31, 201411 yr by RabbitFurCoat

Latest YouGov / The Sun results 30th January - Con 32%, Lab 42%, LD 8%, UKIP 12%; APP -21

 

Probably an outlier but no more so than the 1/2% leads earlier in the week were.

 

Definitely a rogue poll, the last few days have consistently shown the labour lead at 1-3% and nothing has happened politically in last couple of days that would explain such a large labour lead

Hell, even Yvette Cooper would be a marginal improvement over Balls - even though (presumably) she'd still have much the same toxic New Labour politics, and she is very robotic, she atleast isn't so excruciatingly annoying that you want to throw something at the TV whenever she's on. Balls just encapsulates all the qualities people detest in politicians - refusing to give straight answers to questions, smugness and arrogance, constantly giving the impression he wants to score points for his "team" and for himself rather than actually being concerned about people.

 

 

I think Yvette would make a good Shadow Chancellor and possibly first female Chancellor. :)

Edited January 31, 201411 yr by Common Sense

Latest YouGov / The Sun results 30th January - Con 32%, Lab 42%, LD 8%, UKIP 12%; APP -21

 

Probably an outlier but no more so than the 1/2% leads earlier in the week were.

 

 

Definitely a rogue poll, the last few days have consistently shown the labour lead at 1-3% and nothing has happened politically in last couple of days that would explain such a large labour lead

Or equally, all four polls fall within the margin of error for a situation of LAB 39, CON 34, UKIP 12, LD 9 - and the whole point of the margin of error is that 95% of the time polls fall within them, so it's entirely normal that you would once in a while get a few days of what looked like a consistent narrowing. Rogues are very rarely so rogue as to suddenly leap to 10 points from 3, and the overall situation not really changing makes more sense than a popular policy suddenly leading to Labour support plunging. It could be a rogue, but we have to wait a few days before we can tell.

 

And they haven't 'consistently' shown the Labour lead at 1-3%. Populus had one showing a 7 point lead the same day as the ComRes/YouGov leads.

There are nearly 1m under 25s on benefits long term, fit and healthy young men and women, that is utterly unacceptable in a civilised nation, the culture of dependency in this country has to end, someone from Poland comes here and gets a job very quickly in most cases and they do it through knocking on doors of every shop, cafe, factory etc until they get a job, yet our homegrown young benefit claimants cant get a job, if they cant get one they are either

 

1) Not educated, in which case they should be sent for mandatory training in numeracy / literacy until they are

2) Not managing expectations, think that shop/cafe/ work is beneath them so wont apply

3) Not looking, prepared to spend their life sucking on the teat of welfare

4) Not looking hard enough

 

Under 25s if they know they have a safety net of £50-70 a week pocket money / beer money they wont bust a gut to get a job like the poles etc that arrive here, withdrawing benefits for all under 25s will send a rocket up their bums to do what the poles do and knock on every door asking for a job

I notice you completely ignored the point I made once again that we have FIVE TIMES AS MANY UNEMPLOYED AS VACANCIES. What part of your brain cannot comprehend the logic that clearly not everybody will be able to get a job in that situation? Especially as a lot of those vacancies will require specific qualifications and won't all be unskilled jobs anybody could just walk into. (And no, most who come over from Eastern Europe aren't able to walk into a job the next day. Hence so few coming over from Romania and Bulgaria.)

 

And dear christ Craig, you try living on £50 a week. It isn't bloody pocket money when you have NOTHING ELSE.

If a dog misbehaves their mindset can be changed by training them and they become decent well behaved dogs, their mindset can be changed completely, so there is no reason why a young person can not have their mindset changed completely and a work ethic drilled into them, this is hard to do when they are getting free money

Craig, I really don't know why I'm bothering to make this point when you're actually using the language of the pure sociopath, but a person is not a dog. Please, get help.

I notice you completely ignored the point I made once again that we have FIVE TIMES AS MANY UNEMPLOYED AS VACANCIES. What part of your brain cannot comprehend the logic that clearly not everybody will be able to get a job in that situation? Especially as a lot of those vacancies will require specific qualifications and won't all be unskilled jobs anybody could just walk into. (And no, most who come over from Eastern Europe aren't able to walk into a job the next day. Hence so few coming over from Romania and Bulgaria.)

 

And dear christ Craig, you try living on £50 a week. It isn't bloody pocket money when you have NOTHING ELSE.

 

Many of the 2.5m will be people in their 50s or early 60s who will probably never work again as they are too old for most employers, there will always be a permanent pool of people in a holding pattern for retirement

 

My post was about the 1m YOUNG unemployed, there is no real excuse, unless they are living in a deeply depressed area work wise such as an old mining area or something, for a young person to be out of work for more than a year in this day and age, those 4 things i listed were all applying to under 25s only