I am kinda different I believe in an unregulated or low regulated free market so long as companies are not abusing a monopoly or operating cartels to fix prices, both situations need to be heavily clamped down on

So you don't care at all about negative externalities on third parties?

So you don't care at all about negative externalities on third parties?

 

I care if capitalism is being abused, when capitalism is being abused then it is right that those involved face the consequences of their actions, nowhere have I ever said on here that I support the likes of Enron, Halliburton, price fixing airlines, companies like BP, they are the wrong extreme of capitalism, the ordinary free market is a good thing

I care if capitalism is being abused, when capitalism is being abused then it is right that those involved face the consequences of their actions, nowhere have I ever said on here that I support the likes of Enron, Halliburton, price fixing airlines, companies like BP, they are the wrong extreme of capitalism, the ordinary free market is a good thing

That's not what I was referring to by a negative externality (although that too is wrong) - something like pollution and time loss from congestion, a lack of environmental awareness from factories working by rivers etc. - areas where giving the market what it wants has negative consequences on third parties. Is that not at all an issue for you?

That's not what I was referring to by a negative externality (although that too is wrong) - something like pollution and time loss from congestion, a lack of environmental awareness from factories working by rivers etc. - areas where giving the market what it wants has negative consequences on third parties. Is that not at all an issue for you?

 

Congestion and car pollution is a consequence of a successful society, governments have done a lot in ensuring cars are more "green" but the Chinese way of everyone going about on bicycles is just not practical for many people, cars are an essential, a lot of hybrid cars and electric powered cars are coming out too which again is going to reduce pollution from cars so governments are doing their bit

 

I can't comment about anything other than this country but I find it highly unlikely that in this day and age planning permission would be given to factories by a river especially with waste being dumped in rivers etc, anyone who does that should go to jail

 

 

I love how when you present facts as a response to Craigs lunacy he just completely ignores your post/point and carries on as if you agreed with him or said nothing.

I love how when you present facts as a response to Craigs lunacy he just completely ignores your post/point and carries on as if you agreed with him or said nothing.

 

Am I on ignore or something ? :unsure: from where I am reading I responded to every point of Tyron's question about the effects of capitalism !

Ed Miliband speaking now. I think he's doing pretty well... but then I would think that.

A lot of the content is fairly good. The delivery isn't great but that will improve with practice.

Agreed. It's a very well-written speech, but there's room for improvement on the delivery. Speechmaking has never been his strong point anyway - he's far better at short, sharp, punchy answers in debates. But I think it's a real masterstroke that he's aiming at the REAL Middle England, with all his stuff about protecting ordinary families.

 

EDIT: Also glad he's condemning some of Labour's civil liberties policies... notice he didn't mention ID cards though.

Has he been taking communication and speech making lessons off Iain Duncan Smith ?

 

I gave up listening to whatever he had to say because he was so dull

Has he been taking communication and speech making lessons off Iain Duncan Smith ?

 

I gave up listening to whatever he had to say because he was so dull

 

Just like when you said after the first election debate that Cameron was the runaway winner, eh?

 

It really picked up in the last few minutes with his section about refuting the "Red Ed" tag and talking about how Labour were the optimists. Not sure about choosing Kings of Leon to end it though... lol.

Confirmed: Gillian Duffy approved of the speech (she was shown shaking hands with Ed).

Has he been taking communication and speech making lessons off Iain Duncan Smith ?

 

I gave up listening to whatever he had to say because he was so dull

It wasn't that bad.

 

Just like when you said after the first debate that Cameron was the runaway winner, eh?

 

It really picked up in the last few minutes with his section about refuting the "Red Ed" tag and talking about how Labour were the optimists. Not sure about choosing Kings of Leon to end it though... lol.

Yes, an American band (Vampire Weekend) for his entry music and another one at the end. Not very patriotic :lol:

It wasn't that bad.

Yes, an Amerocan band (Vampire Weekend) for his entry music and another one at the end. Not very patriotic :lol:

 

Sandie Shaw "Puppet On A String" would have been most appropriate, sums up Ed perfectly now he is dancing to the unions tune

Just like when you said after the first debate that Cameron was the runaway winner, eh?

 

It really picked up in the last few minutes with his section about refuting the "Red Ed" tag and talking about how Labour were the optimists. Not sure about choosing Kings of Leon to end it though... lol.

 

Cameron is an outstanding communicator and public speaker

Sandie Shaw "Puppet On A String" would have been most appropriate, sums up Ed perfectly now he is dancing to the unions tune

 

Evidently you listened to even less of the speech than you implied. In one section, he specifically said he wouldn't support any irresponsible strikes, and that they should only be an absolute last resort. Tony Woodley in the audience didn't look best pleased.

Sandie Shaw "Puppet On A String" would have been most appropriate, sums up Ed perfectly now he is dancing to the unions tune

:zzz:

Evidently you listened to even less of the speech than you implied. In one section, he specifically said he wouldn't support any irresponsible strikes, and that they should only be an absolute last resort. Tony Woodley in the audience didn't look best pleased.

 

Window dressing, let him publicly condemn the BA strikers and condemn the underground strikers, until then.......

:zzz:

 

Actually changed my mind, Karma Chameleon by Culture Club would be better

 

Ed seems to be trying to be all things to all men, no conviction whatsoever

 

In the election campaign he was singing the praises of the New Labour experiment now he disowns it, before he became leader he was in love with the unions and going to attend a rally in their honour now he disowns them, he has undergone other u turns too

 

Another convictionless politician who will say anything to be elected :manson:

Actually changed my mind, Karma Chameleon by Culture Club would be better

 

Ed seems to be trying to be all things to all men, no conviction whatsoever

 

In the election campaign he was singing the praises of the New Labour experiment now he disowns it, before he became leader he was in love with the unions and going to attend a rally in their honour now he disowns them, he has undergone other u turns too

 

Another convictionless politician who will say anything to be elected :manson:

Unlike a certain David Cameron who wrote the 2005 Tory manifesto before dumping most of it as soon as he became leader later that year. The same Cameron who campaigned strongly in favour of keeping Section 28 before later saying it was wrong.