The Script are Irish.

Plus 'Nothing' actually got decent airplay... not as good as 'For The First Time' but still decent.

 

Re:Marina - I think she said it herself in that she doesn't really fit as much into the current music scene, and she just hasn't had that lucky break. Her brand of pop is a bit too "high-brow" (for want of a better word), she's too quirky, a lot of people seem to hate her voice. A few years she could have been perhaps really successful with that but in 2010? Nah... people just want meaningless stuff to dance to at the moment, and as I said the American acts are much better than supplying people with that right now. I think she's done pretty okay considering she's not the conventional pop act right now.

Edited January 8, 201114 yr by superbossanova

Marina has certainly suffered from the fact that Commercial radio do not play her music.Her first single did well and the follow up singles have been good and ignored by most radio stations other than R1 much like Little Boots,Alesha and Diana.American acts like Kesha can release great first singles and rely on continued support from UK radio no matter how poor the material that follows but that is not the case for UK acts.

Loved this comment posted on PJ who are also having the same debate.http://www.popjustice.com/forum/index.php?topic=26839.0

 

I am American and I actually believe that most good music comes from the UK and Europe in general. There is a very basic reason for this. Our American media has basically spent time breeding an entire generation of so-called "artists" that aspire for stardom - not artistry. Their focus is solely on the end goal of stardom as opposed to the pathway of artistry that eventually leads to stardom. Americans have always had great marketing clout - of a sort that is unparalleled by any other country. They can market $h!t and create a market for $h!t too - in a way that no other country can. Their ability to push their products to every corner of the world, while commendable, needs to be examined closely every now and then. Not everything they push is of a high quality. I personally find the new crop of American musicians quite dreadful. I think Brit acts are still about the music and not solely about stardom. With that aspiration in mind, they are better wired to churn out good quality music and it is a damned shame if UK radio cannot appreciate that and cherish it.

 

 

Plus 'Nothing' actually got decent airplay... not as good as 'For The First Time' but still decent.

 

Re:Marina - I think she said it herself in that she doesn't really fit as much into the current music scene, and she just hasn't had that lucky break. Her brand of pop is a bit too "high-brow" (for want of a better word), she's too quirky, a lot of people seem to hate her voice. A few years she could have been perhaps really successful with that but in 2010? Nah... people just want meaningless stuff to dance to at the moment, and as I said the American acts are much better than supplying people with that right now. I think she's done pretty okay considering she's not the conventional pop act right now.

 

I've heard 'Nothing' a few times, but For The First Time is played literally EVERY time I listen to the radio!

 

I agree about the Marina situation, she's done very well to get 3 top 40 hits, and have a top 5 album, considering she's a debut artist and her style of music :)

I've heard 'Nothing' a few times, but For The First Time is played literally EVERY time I listen to the radio!

 

I agree about the Marina situation, she's done very well to get 3 top 40 hits, and have a top 5 album, considering she's a debut artist and her style of music :)

 

Same with me. For The First Time is on the radio all the time, even now. :( Same with The Flood by Take That, Forget You by Cee-Lo Green and Your Song by Ellie Goulding. :( It's so frustrating tbh, how it seems to be the most boring songs (in my opinion) that get the most airplay.

 

Also, people don't want meaningless dance songs, like Marina was saying. Marina seemed to be suggesting that people didn't buy he songs because they were too meaningful. I'm not going to lie, I love Marina's songs, but I hate it when artists do that. They say "Oh, the only reason my songs aren't selling well is because the lyrics are too good, and the public are too stupid to want that". That type of attitude really, really frustrates me.

 

The reality of it is, if you put some of Marina's lyrics over the instrumental of a song like Dynamite by Taio Cruz, for example, it still would've sold bucket-loads (if it had the same promotion). The public won't refuse to buy a song with good lyrics, it's just that a lot of mainstream pop artists realize that some people don't care about the lyrics, and they want their artists to focus on a good beat first. Good lyrics are fine, but they're like an added bonus, and a lot of people don't want to see an artist waste time on writing really deep lyrics at the expense of a good beat. At the end of the day, you can have a song where the lyrics are only "Ba ba Americano" or "Oooooooooooh! Barbra Streisand!", and they'll still sell well, because they've got phenomenal instrumentals.

Edited January 8, 201114 yr by Eric_Blob

Same with me. For The First Time is on the radio all the time, even now. :( Same with The Flood by Take That, Forget You by Cee-Lo Green and Your Song by Ellie Goulding. :( It's so frustrating tbh, how it seems to be the most boring songs (in my opinion) that get the most airplay.

 

I haven't heard 'The Flood' too much recently and I've never heard 'Your Song' on the radio, but 'Forget You' is always played! :drama: Out of the iTunes top 10 atm, I've only heard When We Collide, Like A G6 & Firework on the radio before!

Marina has certainly suffered from the fact that Commercial radio do not play her music.Her first single did well and the follow up singles have been good and ignored by most radio stations other than R1 much like Little Boots,Alesha and Diana.American acts like Kesha can release great first singles and rely on continued support from UK radio no matter how poor the material that follows but that is not the case for UK acts.

But commercial radio almost entirely follows the charts. I think a lot of people are forgetting this when going on about how they should be "breaking through new artists" or whatever. A station like Capital FM follows the trends of the time - hence why now they're whoring out more urban and dance-influenced music, compared to ten years ago when they were playing stuff that's completely different. I suppose it's a vicious circle really, but the British artists who do follow the trends are duly rewarded with masses amount of support from stations like Capital (Katy B, Tinie Tempah, Jay Sean etc).

 

You're right though that British acts do struggle with songs released post-album... I'm not really sure why this is. There does tend to be diminished support from radio as time goes on but then there's also the fact that quite a few British acts (Plan B, Eliza Doolittle, Take That, Florence etc) tend to be more album-orientated at the moment, bar the kind I mentioned above.

 

I've heard 'Nothing' a few times, but For The First Time is played literally EVERY time I listen to the radio!

 

I agree about the Marina situation, she's done very well to get 3 top 40 hits, and have a top 5 album, considering she's a debut artist and her style of music :)

To be honest, I've never heard 'Nothing' on the radio. I was just going by the airplay charts posted on this site where 'Nothing' peaked in the top 20. So that's certainly not a bad level of airplay...

I am American and I actually believe that most good music comes from the UK and Europe in general. There is a very basic reason for this. Our American media has basically spent time breeding an entire generation of so-called "artists" that aspire for stardom - not artistry. Their focus is solely on the end goal of stardom as opposed to the pathway of artistry that eventually leads to stardom. Americans have always had great marketing clout - of a sort that is unparalleled by any other country. They can market $h!t and create a market for $h!t too - in a way that no other country can. Their ability to push their products to every corner of the world, while commendable, needs to be examined closely every now and then. Not everything they push is of a high quality. I personally find the new crop of American musicians quite dreadful. I think Brit acts are still about the music and not solely about stardom. With that aspiration in mind, they are better wired to churn out good quality music and it is a damned shame if UK radio cannot appreciate that and cherish it.

Well said, marrb! This phrase captures the music industry of US, at the moment! US has huge power to a lot of places worldwide! So media from other countries give a lot of attention to worldwide "huge" names (Eminem, Lady GaGa, Beyonce, Katy Perry, Rihanna, Justin Bieber, Kesha). That is huge promo for those acts. Exactly, what you said. US creates stars and not artists, but know very well how to sell them and that's why they keep going with success!

 

About Marina's interview. I think that she's extremely honest! She says what she believes and is not about whether she hates this and this, but explaining why nowadays it's so difficult to establish as an artist when you are not in mainstream/popular genres.

Eric_Blob why she must not be critical about something! We judge whether we like a song or not, why not her?

Eric_Blob why she must not be critical about something! We judge whether we like a song or not, why not her?

 

I'm not saying she souldn't not be critical about things, but in the interview she's basically saying that the people who like good dance beats are stupid. She could've said "I don't like songs you can dance to", which would be fine. That's her opinion, but she's strongly suggesting that the people who like dance-pop songs (she cited Lady Gaga as an example) are stupid not to like her music. Some artists, when they have a less succcessful, or less critically acclaimed album, they say "Yeah, looking back, it wasn't actually very good, I'll try and do better next time" (e.g. Eminem said this about Relapse in Not Afraid), and then you get others who are like "My album was amazing. Why don't you people like it? The music in the charts is so pathetic. My music is so much better." That attitude really annoys me. I bet if they were at the top of the charts, they wouldn't be criticizing the public's taste in music.

 

I haven't heard 'The Flood' too much recently and I've never heard 'Your Song' on the radio, but 'Forget You' is always played! :drama: Out of the iTunes top 10 atm, I've only heard When We Collide, Like A G6 & Firework on the radio before!

 

Really?! :o I guess I listen to the radio a lot more than you, and I listen to lots of different stations, but the only songs in the entire top 40 on iTunes that I haven't heard (yet) are It's Ok by Cee-Lo Green, Hello by Matin Solveig, S&M by Rihanna and Turn My Swag On by Alexa Goddard (well, I heard Turn My Swag On on the chart show, but I've not heard it outside of that).

Edited January 8, 201114 yr by Eric_Blob

More US acts, Most UK music is just not 'music' at all. The Radio these days just play the same old chavvy dubstep & irrelevant old songs.

Edited January 8, 201114 yr by Britney♥

More US acts, Most UK music is just not 'music' at all. The Radio these days just play the same old chavvy dubstep & irrelevant old songs.

 

I wouldn't say it's "not music", and a lot of the "irrelevant old songs" they play all the time are US songs, although I agree it's extremely frustrating how there's like 2 songs from each of the past 40 years which I seem to hear everyday. All it does is makes me wonder if there's any other good songs from those years, or if it really was the best they had at the time. I'm inclined to think they weren't, because those "2 songs" from 2009 which they're playing all the time definitely aren't the best of 2009 by a long shot, either, although they're not dreadful, but I bet kids in 20 years time will be thinking the same "Is I Gotta Feeling really the best they had in 2009?". But anyway, I'm digressing. :lol:

I'm not saying she souldn't not be critical about things, but in the interview she's basically saying that the people who like good dance beats are stupid. She could've said "I don't like songs you can dance to", which would be fine. That's her opinion, but she's strongly suggesting that the people who like dance-pop songs (she cited Lady Gaga as an example) are stupid not to like her music. Some artists, when they have a less succcessful, or less critically acclaimed album, they say "Yeah, looking back, it wasn't actually very good, I'll try and do better next time" (e.g. Eminem said this about Relapse in Not Afraid), and then you get others who are like "My album was amazing. Why don't you people like it? The music in the charts is so pathetic. My music is so much better." That attitude really annoys me. I bet if they were at the top of the charts, they wouldn't be criticizing the public's taste in music.

I think it wasn't the point to say that people are stupid, but she can't understand the sudden love to dance music and she finds it weird! Basically i love just how much she likes her effort and can't believe that she don't get as recognition as she deserves!

Plus she tweeted: "Oh, I am terribly sorry for saying what I really feel in an interview. How obnoxious of me.. I’ll just lie & grin & nod like others to coax you into believing I am a “nice” person." :heart:

I dont think where you're from should determine if you are played on UK radio or TV or not, if the artist is talented, and making good music they should be played, regardless of where they originate from. -_-

That said i do like loyalty to artists from the UK, its nice to support artists who are from here and represent us worldwide. Only if people on this forum shared that kind of respect and loyalty to British artists who represent us WW.

Edited January 8, 201114 yr by Karma

More US acts, Most UK music is just not 'music' at all. The Radio these days just play the same old chavvy dubstep & irrelevant old songs.

:lol: It's always lovely to see people who care so much about their country's own talent!

I think it wasn't the point to say that people are stupid, but she can't understand the sudden love to dance music and she finds it weird! Basically i love just how much she likes her effort and can't believe that she don't get as recognition as she deserves!

Plus she tweeted: "Oh, I am terribly sorry for saying what I really feel in an interview. How obnoxious of me.. I’ll just lie & grin & nod like others to coax you into believing I am a “nice” person." :heart:

 

Well, fair enough I guess. I was reading into what she was saying a little bit, so it is possible she didn't mean what I was interpreting it at.

 

However, this statement: "I’ll just lie & grin & nod like others to coax you into believing I am a “nice” person."

 

It's that "I'm better than all the other artists" mentality again. :( I mean, judging by her music, she IS better than a lot of the other artists in the chart, in my opinion, but firstly, that's just an opinion, and secondly, even if she is the best artist in the world, she shouldn't claim that "the others" are pretending to be "nice" by "grinning and nodding". Maybe some of them actually are nice! :o :lol:

Well, fair enough I guess. I was reading into what she was saying a little bit, so it is possible she didn't mean what I was interpreting it at.

 

However, this statement: "I’ll just lie & grin & nod like others to coax you into believing I am a “nice” person."

 

It's that "I'm better than all the other artists" mentality again. :( I mean, judging by her music, she IS better than a lot of the other artists in the chart, in my opinion, but firstly, that's just an opinion, and secondly, even if she is the best artist in the world, she shouldn't claim that "the others" are pretending to be "nice" by "grinning and nodding". Maybe some of them actually are nice! :o :lol:

Hey Eric is between me and you! Do you actually believe that all those artists are believing what they are saying! Well the answer is not (at least most of them).You know it, we know it! They try to build a bigger fanbase by giving the right attitude! Well, i just like the way she expresses her feelings! Not afraid to say her opinion, although i hope she will keep doing it after she becomes famous (hope so)!

Hey Eric is between me and you! Do you actually believe that all those artists are believing what they are saying! Well the answer is not (at least most of them).You know it, we know it! They try to build a bigger fanbase by giving the right attitude! Well, i just like the way she expresses her feelings! Not afraid to say her opinion, although i hope she will keep doing it after she becomes famous (hope so)!

 

I don't find many personalities and views of the artists in the charts unbelievable to be honest. I mean some, like Lady Gaga, likely fake their personality a bit, but I know loads of really nice people in real life, so whilst there are people like Taio Cruz who seem like the most uncontroversial person ever, I could believe he's for real. I know lots of people who, if they became famous, would be just as uncontroversial and chilled out as he is. Plus, there's lots of artists in the charts who've said things in interviews before, which could be deemed critical of other artists. Even the likes of Rihanna.

 

Also, an artist can say they don't like another genre of music, or a current musical trend, without doing it in such a manner as to elevate themselves above all other artists.

 

Using Eminem as an example again, he was asked what he thought about Justin Bieber in an interview, and he said something along the lines of "I think he's a very talented person, but his music is not for me". That's fine. He's expressing his opinion, but he's not suggesting people who like Justin Bieber are stupid and he's not suggesting that he's better than Justin Bieber.

 

So, to sum up, yes, I genuinely do believe that a lot of popular artists don't think they're the best, and that they rarely have any major issues with the musical tastes of the general music-buying public at any given time.

 

Edited January 8, 201114 yr by Eric_Blob

Anyway, back on topic: is there REALLY anything wrong with the support system in place for British artists? Tinie Tempah, Ellie Goulding, Plan B etc all came up through that support system, and succeeded. You can't say something is wrong with it when Marina & The Diamonds doesn't do as well as expected when, as far as I can tell, she got the same kind of support system as the other British breakthroughs this year (at first, of course later radio responded accordingly to the poorer interest in her). The problems seem to lie in the fact that either A) the British public consciously made the decision not to support Marina because they simply didn't like her music for whatever reason; or B) the record label didn't market her well enough to get the most of her...

 

The fact that this year has been so prominent for British artists breaking through really suggests that the support system isn't "damaged" or whatever. I really don't think things are as bad as this thread is making out...

Anyway, back on topic: is there REALLY anything wrong with the support system in place for British artists? Tinie Tempah, Ellie Goulding, Plan B etc all came up through that support system, and succeeded. You can't say something is wrong with it when Marina & The Diamonds doesn't do as well as expected when, as far as I can tell, she got the same kind of support system as the other British breakthroughs this year (at first, of course later radio responded accordingly to the poorer interest in her). The problems seem to lie in the fact that either A) the British public consciously made the decision not to support Marina because they simply didn't like her music for whatever reason; or B) the record label didn't market her well enough to get the most of her...

 

The fact that this year has been so prominent for British artists breaking through really suggests that the support system isn't "damaged" or whatever. I really don't think things are as bad as this thread is making out...

No offense but where do you live? Just take one magazine like NME or Q, or go to myspace etc.! You will find hundreds of unknown acts, most of them without any future in the music industry, despite the fact that they release material (some of them great work)! And is not only about getting recognized by the public! Hundreds of UK established acts keep recording music (thank God) but their sales are a joke!

For once again, i'm not against foreign music. I'm just sick of watching great acts flop for the likes of US superstars!

No offense but where do you live? Just take one magazine like NME or Q, or go to myspace etc.! You will find hundreds of unknown acts, most of them without any future in the music industry, despite the fact that they release material (some of them great work)! And is not only about getting recognized by the public! Hundreds of UK established acts keep recording music (thank God) but their sales are a joke!

For once again, i'm not against foreign music. I'm just sick of watching great acts flop for the likes of US superstars!

:wacko: What on earth does that have to do with my post?

 

I suggest you go back and re-read, and then come back with a more coherent thought, because I seriously have no idea where this random bile came from.

 

Is this thread about the supposed lack of support for British music artists in the mainstream, or for you to post about your apparent hatred for America? :mellow:

:wacko: What on earth does that have to do with my post?

 

I suggest you go back and re-read, and then come back with a more coherent thought, because I seriously have no idea where this random bile came from.

 

Is this thread about the supposed lack of support for British music artists in the mainstream, or for you to post about your apparent hatred for America? :mellow:

It's clearly about UK radio! And i don't understand why my reply has nothing to do with your answer. Didn't you mention that radio support UK acts (Tinie, Ellie etc.)? Didn't you said "I really don't think things are as bad as this thread is making out..."? And i've also said no offense!