February 5, 201114 yr So if an otherwise 100% original song sampled one second of another song it's suddenly unoriginal? :rolleyes: How about excluding any wth *recognisable* samples then - assuming that a mere 1 second one wouldn't be...
February 5, 201114 yr :rolleyes: How about excluding any wth *recognisable* samples then - assuming that a mere 1 second one wouldn't be... That's exactly what I've done. Any further requests?
February 5, 201114 yr :rolleyes: How about excluding any wth *recognisable* samples then - assuming that a mere 1 second one wouldn't be... If you're referring to JLS and Chris Brown, they're not actually samples. They're just almost exactly the same. :lol: But if you listen, a couple of a notes are slightly different in each one, which is why he didn't take them out, I guess.
February 5, 201114 yr Well then there's only 1... :P one official re-entry, but one climbing from outside the top 40 into the top 40- so I count that as a re-entry, as its in top 40 terms anyways, its not the official top 40 anyway :lol: Edited February 5, 201114 yr by chart wizard
February 5, 201114 yr But i like collabs :snif: Yeah, many of my favourite songs seem to be collabs. Plus, there's probably no songs in the chart that aren't collabs. It's just that most of the people that work on a track don't get credited. But in exactly the same way that David Guetta produced Commander for Kelly Rowland, Paul Epworth produced Rolling in the Deep, Stargate produced Only Girl, etc. A credit is, just a credit. But it's interesting to see a non-collab chart, nonetheless, even though it doesn't mean a whole lot, since nearly all the songs are written, produced, etc. my many different people. :lol:
February 6, 201114 yr Author But i like collabs :snif: I have no problem with collabs, just interested to see what the chart would be like without them, I'm kind of a chart freak, love to see charts in a different way, making new ones up, like the artist chart, I did that for a while but because of the lack of interest I stopped doing it.
February 6, 201114 yr But i like collabs :snif: There's two points of view as I see it... 1. They double the chance of containing an artist you like. 2. They also double the chance of containing an artist you don't like. :rolleyes:
February 6, 201114 yr Yeah, many of my favourite songs seem to be collabs. This has led me to try & think of past T10 hits where a significant contibution wasn't credited. One I saw on Sky yesterday for example - Meatloaf - Dead Ringer For Love (ft Cher). Also : Mike Oldfield - Moonlight Shadow (ft Maggie Reilly). In fact, if you didn't know, you'd wonder why he had been credited at all, since the singing is *all* her.
February 6, 201114 yr I think the new Kanye West song, All of the Lights, features people like Fergie and Rihanna, but they're not credited either. Also Labrinth produced and sings the hook on Pass Out, and he's not credited. Akon wrote and sings in Just Dance by Lady Gaga, and he's not credited.
February 6, 201114 yr Akon wrote and sings in Just Dance by Lady Gaga, and he's not credited. I thought that was Colby O'Donis?
February 6, 201114 yr I thought that was Colby O'Donis? Both. Colby O'Donnis sings one of the bridges (the first one), and is credited. Akon wrote the song, and provides backing vocals, and is not credited. Edited February 6, 201114 yr by Eric_Blob
February 6, 201114 yr Also : Mike Oldfield - Moonlight Shadow (ft Maggie Reilly). In fact, if you didn't know, you'd wonder why he had been credited at all, since the singing is *all* her. I have to admit the first time I heard that song I thought 'WTF' when they said it was by Mike Oldfield. But to be fair it was his song and he probably asked Maggie to do the vocals and not the other way around, so it was his choice whether or not to credit her and he chose not to. I tried to explain this to my dad once when 'When Love Takes Over' came on the TV and he wondered why David Guetta was given the main credit instead of Kelly Rowland because she 'sings the whole thing' (because singing isn't the only element of music?)
February 7, 201114 yr BTW, at what point did colaborations become commonplace - I mean in terms of featured artists actually being credited, rather than remaining anonymous? My own records aren't much help with this, as I find it tedious typing in long lists of names. Usually I only list the lead artist, and possibly one other.
February 7, 201114 yr This has led me to try & think of past T10 hits where a significant contibution wasn't credited. One I saw on Sky yesterday for example - Meatloaf - Dead Ringer For Love (ft Cher). Also : Mike Oldfield - Moonlight Shadow (ft Maggie Reilly). In fact, if you didn't know, you'd wonder why he had been credited at all, since the singing is *all* her. Well that's pretty common for dance tracks :P Sharon Woolf sung everything on Shanks & Bigfoot - Sweet Like Chocolate, for example, but wasn't credited. It was the same for their follow-up Sing-A-Long, except this time Terri Walker remained uncredited. But yeah, some dance songs do credit the featured vocalist and others don't. I'm not sure really why - maybe they didn't want to be credited? I know that Justin Timberlake/his label didn't want to be credited on Where Is The Love (Black Eyed Peas) for example, so clearly they have some choice. Although it's understandable in JT's case, but why would an up-and-coming/unestablished artist not want to be credited? Who knows. And I'm getting tired of saying the word "credited" quite frankly. I'm just going to blame record labels and their silly money-grabbing politics and be done with this shizz. Edited February 7, 201114 yr by superbossanova
February 7, 201114 yr BTW, at what point did colaborations become commonplace - I mean in terms of featured artists actually being credited, rather than remaining anonymous? My own records aren't much help with this, as I find it tedious typing in long lists of names. Usually I only list the lead artist, and possibly one other. I'm not sure that there was a sort of big bang moment when it became commonplace. It just seems to have been getting steadily more common. If anyone has a database built along the lines suggested in the chartstats wiki page, it should be possible to produce some figures from that. http://wiki.chartarchive.org/wiki/Database_design
February 7, 201114 yr This has led me to try & think of past T10 hits where a significant contibution wasn't credited. Madonna - Lika a Prayer [no mention of Prince] The Simpsons - Do The Bartman [no mention of Michael Jackson] Come on You Reds - Manchester United FC [no mention of Status Quo] Baby Come Back - Pato Banton [no mention of UB40] And further down the chart... David Bowie - Hallo Spaceboy [no mention of Pet Shop Boys] And how about technicalities such as... Goody Two Shoes - Adam Ant [no mention of the Ants] Careless Whisper - George Michael [no mention of Andrew Ridgely]
February 7, 201114 yr Number of collaborations to chart per year compared to total number of songs since 2006 (Top 100 from 2008 to 2010, top 75 only from 2006, about half and half from 2007 as determined from the point Chartstats.com started using a top 100) 2010 190/818 = 23.23% 2009 123/740 = 16.62% 2008 123/764 = 16.1% 2007 122/844 = 14.45% 2006 139/790 = 17.59% So there was a massive increase last year, but before that it'd been very stable from 2007-2009 (although the total entries were falling so it was still proportionally increasing) after a bit of a dropoff from 2006 to 2007. [/uselessgeekery] 2011 so far is 54/183 = 29.51% (!) Edited February 7, 201114 yr by ★BlindFaithBray★
February 7, 201114 yr I'm pretty sure Patrick Stump wasn't credited on either of the Gym Class Heroes' top 10 hits Edited February 7, 201114 yr by chart wizard
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