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okay then but ask yyourself did gordon brown do any f***ing better

 

Yes - the economy rapidly accelerated towards the end of his regime, and things were on the up again, we didn't suffer as much as most EU nations, and this regime of cuts is simply hurting the nation, hurting spending, extra vat, etc. I'm unsure if you actually know any Conservative policies?

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And Kath... :heart:

 

As Darwen Josten (as Napoleon) in Assault on Precinct 13 said 'I have my moments!'

 

I just love the Ignore feature that BJ has installed (it hasn't always been here has it?) I can see when someone has responded - but I don't have to read what this particular idiot has written!

 

Kath

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"ahaha ill message you yip too scared to say something about me on this coz ill break your f***ing jaw

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and at the end of the day were all entitled to our own opinions we can hate each as much as we want because of it although no individual opinion isnt gonna change how a country is run . . . . .
TBH, I think the blame for it can ultimately be laid at the door of Gordon Brown, after all, it was his brilliant idea to merge Inland Revenue and HM Customs and Excise, doing that led to all sorts of absolute bloody chaos....

The idea behind the merger was fine. However, there's a good reason why previous governments hadn't tried it. It's very complicated.

 

Going back on topic, this latest tax scam goes beyond scandalous. The fact that Labour have been silent on the matter must mean one of three things

 

i) They're incompetent

ii) The story is misleading

iii) They agree with the change

and at the end of the day were all entitled to our own opinions we can hate each as much as we want because of it although no individual opinion isnt gonna change how a country is run . . . . .

 

But it can, that's how this country is run, by opinions put together in the form of the vote. It's pretty obvious that the Tories won't be in next term, and I think the internet and opinions in it have certainly helped Labour much more...

are you a spacker? thats why i said individual opinions you idiot and spreading opinions on a forum aint gonna help is it einstein, plus you dont have a vote in todays government doings for another 4 or 5 years yet pal!
are you a spacker? thats why i said individual opinions you idiot and spreading opinions on a forum aint gonna help is it einstein, plus you dont have a vote in todays government doings for another 4 or 5 years yet pal!

 

I'll ignore the idiocy and stupidity of this bizarre post and reply to the bolded - we call this democracy mate.

I'll ignore the idiocy and stupidity of this bizarre post and reply to the bolded - we call this democracy mate.

 

Santa - put the guy on 'ignore' ... as I have. Unfortunately I can still see the idiot's posts when people quote him but it is 'second-hand' so it isn't as offensive. Think of it as the legendary Mike Harding would 'He's got all his chairs at home ... but three of them are rockers'.

 

Kath

you downsyndrome lesbo bitch,

 

are you a spacker?

 

You can express any opinions you want here, but cut out the offensive and unacceptable terms like these, please.

Santa - put the guy on 'ignore' ... as I have. Unfortunately I can still see the idiot's posts when people quote him but it is 'second-hand' so it isn't as offensive. Think of it as the legendary Mike Harding would 'He's got all his chairs at home ... but three of them are rockers'.

 

Kath

 

He won't last long - so I'll read along until... ;)

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bull$h!t i was drawing a heart you downsyndrome lesbo bitch,

why do love labour so much anyway?

 

You're new here, so you get a bit of leeway because obviously you don't know the rules on conduct.. Keep a civil tongue in your head towards people on this forum, no personal attacks, and no bloody "txtspk", or you WILL get a raised warning level...

 

This forum is for proper debate on issues (preferably in grammatically correct English), not sound-bites, glib remarks, and certainly no personal attacks on fellow posters which border on homophobia ... You got a problem with that, go elsewhere. I can tolerate a lot, but I wont tolerate behaviour like this on a forum I moderate....

 

 

 

blah blah f***ing blah i moderate go shove your f***ing laptop/Pc up your arse your lifeless wreck

If you continue like that I will also increase your warning level. This forum is for debate not pointless drivel.

 

Feel free to argue against the majority opinion. That helps to provoke a proper debate. However, posts like this contribute nothing.

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If you continue like that I will also increase your warning level. This forum is for debate not pointless drivel.

 

Feel free to argue against the majority opinion. That helps to provoke a proper debate. However, posts like this contribute nothing.

 

I've already done it Suede... But, hey, feel free to raise it again... Also, clearing the topic of rubbish which has nothing to do with the debate....

 

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its alright suede hahaha f***ing christ almighty as if i care about a f***ing warn level

 

Maybe you'll care about a Perma-ban, Troll... Consider yourself reported to Global Mods....

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Off topic (what isn't now), but Happy Bday Grimly, have a good one! :birthday: :)

 

LOL, I should really give you a spanking for that.... :lol: :lol:

 

I'll let you off this time mate.... ;) Cheers dude... I very much intend to have a good 'un....

 

I believe that Gordon Brown was actually the best solution to the problem.

 

Sure, he and Darling bloody well created the mess [with some help from the previous tory government it must be said] but they were very quick to start clearing it up after. As unpopular as the banking sector bail-out has been it saved our economy from dying on it's arse.

 

Had HBOS and RBS been allowed to go under [we'll ignore the fact that it would wipe out Scotlands banking sector bar the Australian owned Clydesdale for a sec] all of the loans, credit cards, overdrafts and mortgages people have with them would have either had to be sold onto someone [or taken on by the government] or they'd have been recalled which would have lead to massive amounts of people going bankrupt and having their entire lives repossessed.

 

My big problem with the bail out is that the Government did it and then kinda went 'what should we do now'. They weren't quick enough to start restructuring the banks or to introduce legislation to prevent this from happening again. The reason the Australian banks didn't get affected by the world crash was because of the legislation that was put in place after their last recession to prevent the banks holding the country to ransom.

 

The VAT decrease was ridiculous, but the evidence does support it. There was little point of saving 1p on a tin of beans, but it certainly helped people like Curry's and other retailers who specialise in expensive items weather the storm. The scrapage scheme was genius [and copied around the world] it helped shore up the Motor Industry and prevent it from a complete collapse [First thing you don't do when the economy hits the $h!tter is buy a new car, the entire industry were victims of the recession and thanks to Gordon Brown and a couple of government bail outs in the US (GM, Ford etc) and France (Renault, who are part state owned anyway) it survived]

 

The measures he introduced got us through the bad bit without it being diabolical [it could have been so much worse, and will be this time] and really got us back on track. So what if we have a bit of debt, we keep paying our minimum payments and nobody is going to be downgrading us any time soon. The deficit would take a while to work off, but would have a large hole blown in it by getting the banks back up and running asap in a way that was more financially responsible.

 

As it currently stands, the banks are recovering and when we sell the Governments shares in the bank it'll take a very very very large number off the deficit total.

 

 

 

Oh, and Happy Birthday Grimly.

Back to the original story, when Cameron became Tory leader the City provided 25% of Tory funds. Now it's 50%. That says it all really.

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