But I doubt W,W,W and Endlessly would have done a whole lot better if they were released at the same time as RITD/21 and XF had been hammering, say, Rain On Your Parade.

 

Maybe not Rain On Your Parade as she was already a self parody by that point but what about if everybody had been singing Stepping Stone or Warwick Avenue in place of Make You Feel My Love? Stepping Stone could easily have become 'the chosen song' - well it was eventually when it would have been Rebecca Ferguson's debut single but it was a bit late by that point...with all of that extra attention Duffy would have done better too, but she really should have waited until January to release as well. You can't assume that you're a big enough contender for the xmas market off the back of one successful album coming off the back of major hype three years previous. That said, for me personally Endlessly was a tedious album with a dire lead single :lol:

 

My fear is that she'll follow many others down the road of urban collaboration (she's already done one, of course). If so, I'm very unlikely to buy her next album - at best I may cherry-pick her solo tracks from it.

 

She won't do that - she might carry on featuring on others records every now and then but they won't be a part of her album (maybe one max), she'd alienate too much of her fanbase...

 

Likewise Florence & The Machine won't be coming back with a rap/indie-pop hybrid album just because she did that collaboration with Dizzee Rascal at the Brits :lol:

No, it's folktronica, which is an actual genre and not a made up word.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folktronica

 

It may be an actual genre, but technically it is still a made-up word (as *all* words are). ;)

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Maybe not Rain On Your Parade as she was already a self parody by that point but what about if everybody had been singing Stepping Stone or Warwick Avenue in place of Make You Feel My Love? Stepping Stone could easily have become 'the chosen song' - well it was eventually when it would have been Rebecca Ferguson's debut single but it was a bit late by that point...with all of that extra attention Duffy would have done better too, but she really should have waited until January to release as well. You can't assume that you're a big enough contender for the xmas market off the back of one successful album coming off the back of major hype three years previous. That said, for me personally Endlessly was a tedious album with a dire lead single :lol:

Distant Dreamer, not Stepping Stone :P

It may be an actual genre, but technically it is still a made-up word (as *all* words are). ;)

 

You're being even more pedantic than me :lol: You know what I meant.

I think it also has to do with what the public expects from an artist.

 

For example, Arctic Monkeys (obviously) were incredibly succesful with their debut album but their second is just as widely acclaimed and was still extremley succesful and spawned Brianstorm a #1 single. The reason albums 3 and 4 weren't as succesful (though both still making #1 in the album charts on artist name alone) was because they changed their sound; they went to America and came back Josh Homme-ised. Now I love them for that, but many people seem to be stuck on the amazingness of the first 2 albums and want them to still write songs about being drunk tennagers in Sheffield... six years later.

I haven't heard her album described as 'folktronica' before (I don't even know what that's supposed to mean :rolleyes: ), but assuming that's how you describe her first album, I wouldn't complain if her 2nd album sounded very similar. :)

 

My fear is that she'll follow many others down the road of urban collaboration (she's already done one, of course). If so, I'm very unlikely to buy her next album - at best I may cherry-pick her solo tracks from it.

 

There's also the fact she's very cute, too. :wub:

 

I doubt she would to be honest, she said in an American interview something like 'I think with Your Song, people were starting to warm to my voice, and thats something to take into account for the next album' so i think it will be less produced. Even if they take it down to how produced the demos were tehn we have a winning formula. Thats what built up all her hype, her folk singing, and her folk combined with a bit of electronics.

Distant Dreamer, not Stepping Stone :P

 

Crap, sorry :lol: Thought something wasn't quite right in my mind about that!

 

But yeah the point still stands, if everyone was queuing up every week to sing Distant Dreamer I don't think Duffy's career would be in such the state that it is. Of course she'd also have needed to have scrapped that terrible comeback single.

I think it also has to do with what the public expects from an artist.

 

For example, Arctic Monkeys (obviously) were incredibly succesful with their debut album but their second is just as widely acclaimed and was still extremley succesful and spawned Brianstorm a #1 single. The reason albums 3 and 4 weren't as succesful (though both still making #1 in the album charts on artist name alone) was because they changed their sound; they went to America and came back Josh Homme-ised. Now I love them for that, but many people seem to be stuck on the amazingness of the first 2 albums and want them to still write songs about being drunk tennagers in Sheffield... six years later.

 

#2 single :P I can do corrections too!

 

I know what you mean though, and I don't 'get' why people don't want artists to evolve. Look at what happens when people stay the same throughout their whole career - you get a woman approaching her late 20s singing teen pop-rock that was wearing thin in 2007, let alone 2011. Also known as Avril Lavigne.

#2 single :P I can do corrections too!

 

I know what you mean though, and I don't 'get' why people don't want artists to evolve. Look at what happens when people stay the same throughout their whole career - you get a woman approaching her late 20s singing teen pop-rock that was wearing thin in 2007, let alone 2011. Also known as Avril Lavigne.

 

<cough>Status Quo<cough> :P

I think it also has to do with what the public expects from an artist.

 

For example, Arctic Monkeys (obviously) were incredibly succesful with their debut album but their second is just as widely acclaimed and was still extremley succesful and spawned Brianstorm a #1 single. The reason albums 3 and 4 weren't as succesful (though both still making #1 in the album charts on artist name alone) was because they changed their sound; they went to America and came back Josh Homme-ised. Now I love them for that, but many people seem to be stuck on the amazingness of the first 2 albums and want them to still write songs about being drunk tennagers in Sheffield... six years later.

There's that of course, but I think it is also to an extent to do with the change in music trends since the Arctic Monkeys were massive. Their second album pretty much came at the tail-end of 'indie' (well, edgy guitar pop really) being a successful genre. They'd probably be in the roughly the same position if their sound hadn't evolved so drastically, simply because I don't think anything along the lines of their first two albums would really do that well in the singles charts nowadays, let alone the more uncommercial (in singles terms) stuff that they're doing now.

You're being even more pedantic than me :lol: You know what I meant.

 

You don't want to take me on in a pedantry battle though - you would lose! :P

#2 single :P I can do corrections too!

 

I know what you mean though, and I don't 'get' why people don't want artists to evolve. Look at what happens when people stay the same throughout their whole career - you get a woman approaching her late 20s singing teen pop-rock that was wearing thin in 2007, let alone 2011. Also known as Avril Lavigne.

In fairness I think Avril's case is more her label being entirely unable to comprehend that the sound has been done to death by now for her and she's reached the bottom of her diminishing returns by releasing that type of song as single. The same thing's happening with Britney - for both artists it's a case of really bad single choices in the hope that lightning strikes five, six, seven times. Had Avril led with Wish You Were Here I'm pretty much certain it would've been far better received (even though it's effectively the sequel to When You're Gone) than the tired bratty pop-rock rehash that was What The Hell. Additionally, nobody really cares that much about Till The World Ends because it represents Britney giving us what she's been giving us almost constantly for four years now.

You don't want to take me on in a pedantry battle though - you would lose! :P

 

I wouldn't be so sure about that.

To be fair, Till the World Ends has been a very big hit in the US.

 

What the Hell didn't do dreadfully either.

 

I think another part of the problem is that, as you said, with What the Hell being same-old Avril, it also wasn't club enough for the UK. And with Till the World Ends, it didn't get as much promotion as it could've done due to Hold it Against Me underperforming (Capital and Radio 1 very rarely played Till the World Ends, for example, even though both were hammering Hold it Against Me).

Avril has also alienated her fan base a hell of a lot. Look at her from Let Go and now look at her from Goodbye Lullaby. She sold out in just two albums. She was the rock chick with the big attitude. Then she turned all punky, girly and a bit of bimbo really now. She lost a hell of a lot respect when she did The Best Damn Thing album and has failed to gain any of it back with Goodbye lullaby.

In fairness I think Avril's case is more her label being entirely unable to comprehend that the sound has been done to death by now for her and she's reached the bottom of her diminishing returns by releasing that type of song as single. The same thing's happening with Britney - for both artists it's a case of really bad single choices in the hope that lightning strikes five, six, seven times. Had Avril led with Wish You Were Here I'm pretty much certain it would've been far better received (even though it's effectively the sequel to When You're Gone) than the tired bratty pop-rock rehash that was What The Hell. Additionally, nobody really cares that much about Till The World Ends because it represents Britney giving us what she's been giving us almost constantly for four years now.

 

This sums it up perfectly whether a second era will be a success or not.It is rarely down to anything other than a great lead single.I think Echo would have been huge if it were not for Happy-Scene of the Crime or Naked would have been better.Equally Duffy picked a lead single that did not click with her fans or casual buyers it was dull and drab Well Well Well was forgettable and quickly forgotten.Kate Nash returned with Doh Waa Doh and Kiss the Gurls which were poor choices and barely did anything.Even

Beyonce and Run the World has not captured radio or the publics imagination because it is not a great tune or that appealing to a wide audience.Even though I have not liked Femme Fatale I think it is Britney sticking to what she does best dance pop and after all she has been through I was not expecting much.Adele I think was never going to fail because 21 is a far stronger album than 19 and Rolling in the Deep is a brilliant lead single with mass appeal.

I have high hopes for the 2nd albums of Tinnie Tempah, Alexandra Burke, Alexis Jordan and Diana Vickers because they seem to have worked with good people and all there lead singles from there debut albums were spot on.

Amy Winehouse should have a great era after the brilliant Back to Black but methinks it will not match it for some reason.This is just shocking why her management would still allow her to perform like this.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNAEoogXTY4...eature=youtu.be

Wow, that is shambles

 

It's a 50/50 thing regarding if she will do well regarding her long awaited third album. I mean she's had long enough to evolve, but are her fan base still around despite her public image and constant delays.

I think that the timing of the second album is cruicial to it's success. The Ting Tings have left it too late and have been basicaly forgotten. (Their 2nd albums out in June)

 

btw, The Saturdays second album may have done badly, but Ego and Missing You were big hits. Also I agree there was only 1 succesful Script single from their new ablum but the album made it to #1 and sold well as did For The First Time.

I wouldn't be so sure about that.

 

I've had 30 years more practice at it than you... :P