Wasn't the week where the entire top 6 was made up of new entries in 2004 (with Just Lose It #1) an American top ten, or was that just the top 6?

Jamelia was in it. And I've no idea what nationality Michael Gray is? I imagine British.

Jamelia was in it. And I've no idea what nationality Michael Gray is? I imagine British.

 

Oh, Jamelia is British too? There goes 30/09/2006 even if you do consider Snow Patrol not British for whatever reason.

The main problem here, imo, is that the UK charts appear to have morphed into the US charts, just as the Australian charts did a few years ago.

 

In Australia, local acts used to fill up half or more of the top ten on a regular basis, now the country rejoices if there's even one homegrown act in the top ten at any given time, in fact I can only think of Havana Brown, Vanessa Amorosi and Zoe Badwi that have managed to crack it recently.

 

And I wouldn't be at all surprised if this is now happening to the UK charts - it will be different in the final quarter when the huge acts are all saving up their material to generate high sales, but during the rest of the year don't be surprised if this is the way forward from now on.

 

It's a shame because we've always had a very strong music industry and it would be nice to see people actually buying the stuff produced locally. Look at France, Italy, Spain and Sweden's charts and they're dominated not by US music (the huge hits - Bruno Mars, J.Lo still get through though) but by local acts, just like ours used to be. Now the general rule is that if it goes top five in the US, it goes top ten here. I Look back to 2000-2005's US charts and there are a good 50% or more of songs that I've never heard of - I look at them now and it's maybe 5%.

 

I blame this goddamn new fangled INTERNET thing. It needs to be stopped!

 

But in all seriousness I doubt the UK charts will come close to being as bad as Australia etc. There are still non-disastrous numbers of UK hits by UK acts that wouldn't stand a chance in the USA. I think we've just hit a particulalry quiet moment in British music, I'm sure it'll recover. British acts still hold over a third of the full top 100 (though it's slipped to 34 entries which is the lowest it's been thus far this year).

2006 was pretty eclectic, indie was becoming a bit poppier (The Feeling, The Kooks, The Automatic) but normal indie was still doing very well (Snow Patrol, Razorlight, Embrace), there were a few Euro anthems about (Cascada, Infernal), the comebacks (Take That, All Saints) and some genuine huge one off hits (Gnarls Barkley, Sandi Thom, Shakira feat Wyclef Jean, Rogue Traders) but US urban still played a massive role (BEP's, Pussycat Dolls, Rihanna) but there was also a lot of other stuff about that doesn't fit into any of these categories getting hits (Lemar, Paolo Nutini, James Morrison, Westlife, Troy & Gabriella, Fall Out Boy, Lily Allen, Orson, Corinne Bailey Rae). It was a very diverse year musically and for the charts and I absolutely LOVED it. My favourite year of the noughties overall definitely, although 2007 was my favourite for absolute highlights. To see how things have changed so much in the past four to five years is quite scary, it doesn't seem like that long ago :o

 

I agree. I loved 2006 and 2007 too. I've loved most years that I can remember tbh. This year is okay so far, but not as good as when I was younger imo.

 

It is scary how fast the public's music taste changes tbh. There's so many songs where I keep thinking "This would've sold twice as much and been all over radio if it was released 3 years ago". It's kind of crazy really! :o

 

Even late 2010, I'm sure there were weeks where like half the top 10 were slow radio-friendly pop songs, or even ballads. And travel foward 6 months and it's completely different.

I just think it is a quiet period for uk artists, with the next few weeks coming up, we've got potentially big singles from example, calvin harris and tinchy stryder so it really isn't the end of the world

 

2006 was pretty eclectic, indie was becoming a bit poppier (The Feeling, The Kooks, The Automatic) but normal indie was still doing very well (Snow Patrol, Razorlight, Embrace), there were a few Euro anthems about (Cascada, Infernal), the comebacks (Take That, All Saints) and some genuine huge one off hits (Gnarls Barkley, Sandi Thom, Shakira feat Wyclef Jean, Rogue Traders) but US urban still played a massive role (BEP's, Pussycat Dolls, Rihanna) but there was also a lot of other stuff about that doesn't fit into any of these categories getting hits (Lemar, Paolo Nutini, James Morrison, Westlife, Troy & Gabriella, Fall Out Boy, Lily Allen, Orson, Corinne Bailey Rae). It was a very diverse year musically and for the charts and I absolutely LOVED it. My favourite year of the noughties overall definitely, although 2007 was my favourite for absolute highlights. To see how things have changed so much in the past four to five years is quite scary, it doesn't seem like that long ago :o

I wouldn't call Hip's Don't Lie a one off hit considering Whenever Wherever has sold a similar amount to hit and was only held off no.1 by the biggest selling song of the decade

I blame this goddamn new fangled INTERNET thing. It needs to be stopped!

 

But in all seriousness I doubt the UK charts will come close to being as bad as Australia etc. There are still non-disastrous numbers of UK hits by UK acts that wouldn't stand a chance in the USA. I think we've just hit a particulalry quiet moment in British music, I'm sure it'll recover. British acts still hold over a third of the full top 100 (though it's slipped to 34 entries which is the lowest it's been thus far this year).

You say it's a quiet period, but people were also complaining about it during 2010, so is it a quiet time or has it been going on longer than you think? :lol:

 

http://www.buzzjack.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=123489

 

I think the main problem is that the British acts have simply started making less pop music. Looking at the list of acts I listed from 2003/2004, a large majority of them were either straight-up pop music, or doing a very poppy version of hip hop/R&B/rock music, etc. At the same time, the music coming from America was pretty much all R&B and urban music, with most of the poppy acts being dressed up with guitars like Maroon 5, and the odd straight-up pop act like Britney Spears or Kelly Clarkson. Fast forward to now and things have changed dramatically - suddenly the American acts are giving us the pop music, and the British acts have started doing dubstep, grime or are still messing about with their guitars or whatever. Either way it comes back to the point that British music has become LESS commercial than it was in 2003/2004 - which, from a music fan's perspective, is probably a good thing; but from a British chart fan's perspective it's pretty damaging.

 

I know that this is somewhat reiterating a point I and others have already made in this thread, but this seems to be THE big reason why British acts are doing worse, and American acts are doing better - to me, anyway. Nothing to do with quality, or it being a quiet time for British music IMO.

You say it's a quiet period, but people were also complaining about it during 2010, so is it a quiet time or has it been going on longer than you think? :lol:

 

http://www.buzzjack.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=123489

 

I think the main problem is that the British acts have simply started making less pop music. Looking at the list of acts I listed from 2003/2004, a large majority of them were either straight-up pop music, or doing a very poppy version of hip hop/R&B/rock music, etc. At the same time, the music coming from America was pretty much all R&B and urban music, with most of the poppy acts being dressed up with guitars like Maroon 5, and the odd straight-up pop act like Britney Spears or Kelly Clarkson. Fast forward to now and things have changed dramatically - suddenly the American acts are giving us the pop music, and the British acts have started doing dubstep, grime or are still messing about with their guitars or whatever. Either way it comes back to the point that British music has become LESS commercial than it was in 2003/2004 - which, from a music fan's perspective, is probably a good thing; but from a British chart fan's perspective it's pretty damaging.

 

I know that this is somewhat reiterating a point I and others have already made in this thread, but this seems to be THE big reason why British acts are doing worse, and American acts are doing better - to me, anyway. Nothing to do with quality, or it being a quiet time for British music IMO.

 

This is spot on imo.

Surely it goes back to the same debate that happened last year.If you turn on any UK radio station you will hear a constant stream of Rihanna, Katy Perry, Gaga,Pitbull,Bruno Mars and the BEPs.Until UK radio gets behind UK acts especially the newer ones then this situation will continue to get worse.

I just dont agree that US music is better other than Gaga, what is fresh and innovative about US music these days.J-Lo. Britney,Pitbull, the BEPSs, Bruno and sadly Beyonce and the God awful Party Rock Anthem are hardly producing great music.Noah and the Whale,Cocknbullkid, Yasmin,Diana Vickers like many UK acts struggle to get radio support across the board yet no matter how rubbish the US song everyone plays it.

I just dont agree that US music is better other than Gaga, what is fresh and innovative about US music these days.J-Lo. Britney,Pitbull, the BEPSs, Bruno and sadly Beyonce and the God awful Party Rock Anthem are hardly producing great music.Noah and the Whale,Cocknbullkid, Yasmin,Diana Vickers like many UK acts struggle to get radio support across the board yet no matter how rubbish the US song everyone plays it.

 

I think all those artists you mentioned make better music than Gaga, except perhaps Bruno. Lady Gaga is no more fresh or innovative than any of the other artists, unless you're living in the 1980's. She just releases pop songs, just like everybody else.

 

I think there was an article somewhere saying that like 30% of the music played on Capital and Radio 1 were by British artists. Now particularly Capital, considering Capital's purpose it to "play all of the hits", it's quite impressive that they're playing that many British artists when there's none having any having hits.

 

There are radio stations out there that aren't playing the usual US imports (Lady Gaga, Rihanna, BEPs, etc.), but they're not getting very many listeners obviously. If people stopped listening to Capital and Radio 1 and listened to those, either Capital and Radio 1 would have to change their ways to get their listeners back, or those small anti-US stations would get more popular to the point that they take over. Why people are choosing to listen to Radio 1 and Capital if they hate American music, I don't know.

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2006 was pretty eclectic, indie was becoming a bit poppier (The Feeling, The Kooks, The Automatic) but normal indie was still doing very well (Snow Patrol, Razorlight, Embrace), there were a few Euro anthems about (Cascada, Infernal), the comebacks (Take That, All Saints) and some genuine huge one off hits (Gnarls Barkley, Sandi Thom, Shakira feat Wyclef Jean, Rogue Traders) but US urban still played a massive role (BEP's, Pussycat Dolls, Rihanna) but there was also a lot of other stuff about that doesn't fit into any of these categories getting hits (Lemar, Paolo Nutini, James Morrison, Westlife, Troy & Gabriella, Fall Out Boy, Lily Allen, Orson, Corinne Bailey Rae). It was a very diverse year musically and for the charts and I absolutely LOVED it. My favourite year of the noughties overall definitely, although 2007 was my favourite for absolute highlights. To see how things have changed so much in the past four to five years is quite scary, it doesn't seem like that long ago :o

Oh definitely. Looking back, in terms of chart music that did well 2006 has to be my favourite year of the 00s - I prefer 2004/5 and 2009 for music overall but it didn't necessarily do spectacularly in the charts, whereas all the classics tended to be up there in 2006.

Singles are dominated from US acts, still Albums (which are 12 times more important) show a different picture.

Edited May 27, 201114 yr by 7heDreamer

I think all those artists you mentioned make better music than Gaga, except perhaps Bruno. Lady Gaga is no more fresh or innovative than any of the other artists, unless you're living in the 1980's. She just releases pop songs, just like everybody else.

 

I think there was an article somewhere saying that like 30% of the music played on Capital and Radio 1 were by British artists. Now particularly Capital, considering Capital's purpose it to "play all of the hits", it's quite impressive that they're playing that many British artists when there's none having any having hits.

 

There are radio stations out there that aren't playing the usual US imports (Lady Gaga, Rihanna, BEPs, etc.), but they're not getting very many listeners obviously. If people stopped listening to Capital and Radio 1 and listened to those, either Capital and Radio 1 would have to change their ways to get their listeners back, or those small anti-US stations would get more popular to the point that they take over. Why people are choosing to listen to Radio 1 and Capital if they hate American music, I don't know.

 

Gaga releases songs better than 50% of the music nowadays IMO

Gaga releases songs better than 50% of the music nowadays IMO

 

Yeah. I suppose it is opinion at the end of the day. She's very popular in general. Although for me the figure is more like 10%. :lol:

I hated 2006 in terms of charts to be honest. The only good thing about it was pop music, which was continuing to become very very interesting with the likes of Justin Timberlake and Nelly Furtado dipping into this dance/urban kind of style which was amazing, and Lily Allen arriving and Amy Winehouse going into the stratosphere was nice, too (although the latter was more 2007, I guess). Also have to admit I have a weakness for Paolo Nutini, and that was the year he debuted... :D

 

But dance music was awful and full of cheap 80s remakes $h!t like Sunblock and Beatfreakz, the 'indie' music doing well was about ten times worse than that of 2004 and 2005 with loads of rubbish acts being let in. The R&B music being pushed into the charts was just really REALLY bad - can't offer anything more objective than that, I'm afraid, but the likes of the Pussycat Dolls just make me wanna vomit to be honest (and I consider myself a fan of R&B music). And the only hip hop hit I liked from the entire year was probably Chamillionaire's Ridin' Dirty, as ridiculous as that might sound.

 

The only good thing I'd say about 2006 it was probably better than 2007, 2009, 2010 and 2011. But it was the first year since following the charts (1998 onwards) I'd say I really hated. I did hate 2002 somewhat, purely for the reality TV domination and some of the $h!tty pop acts like Atomic Kitten and Blazin' Squad but outside of those areas it was actually fairly good.

 

But then I'm the only person on this forum who actually thinks 2004/2005 were great years, so what do I know?! :lol:

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Don't worry. I liked 2004 and 2005 too! :D Infact, come to think of it, 2011 might be the worst year I can remember. The number of "Wow, this is absolutely amazing" chart hits of 2011 so far, I could count them on my fingers. :(

The problem with this year is that pretty much all the successful songs this year have either been this electro pop/dance whatever you want to call it and very friendly radio hits. If you look at the top 10 selling songs this year, all the songs imo opinion fit into the two categories I just mentioned, while looking back on 2010 at this point, we had already had two hits which while not being liked by everyone, were certainly popular and certainly didn't fit into the popular genres at that time. The two songs i'm talking about are Pass Out and Fireflies and when looking back on 2010, they clearly stand out as classics imo because firstly they were very successful saleswise and secondly they were very different to the typical songs from that time.

Hopefully Inna knows the target she needs to beat if she wants to become the most successful Romanian act in UK chart history!!

 

Alexandra Stan could well do so in the next few weeks.

 

But then I'm the only person on this forum who actually thinks 2004/2005 were great years, so what do I know?! :lol:

I love 2004/5! It's just unfortunate that most of the classics from those years didn't do quite so well chart-wise...stuff like Nelly Furtado - Try and unheralded pop classic Jentina - French Kisses. Even the great dance anthems like Put'em High and The Weekend didn't really stick around :(

It's shocking, I agree.

 

Hopefully we'll see Jessie J return to the top 10 next week, then we have the Saturdays, Example, Calvin Harris, DJ Fresh. I think the possibility of Tinie Tempah releasing 'Til I'm Gone' could score him another top 10 - I just hope we get some British acts appearing on BGT next week; although no one springs to mind that'll attract a new audience - potentially Adele as a guest performer?