June 24, 201114 yr ^ But by that reckoning it might have peaked higher but would have fell so much quicker. I think any effect OAOS has on sales is negligible. To me at least, it seems clear that the reason this single is under performing is the drastic change in style of the song from the usual Saturdays sound. Yep. It's just crazy. Forever Is Over and Missing You failed, yet Ego and Higher were successes, so why on earth did their label think releasing something as risky as Notorious as LEAD single was a good idea? I don't even care about this single campaign anymore. The song is already boring me (Not That Kinda Girl is so much better) and the live performances i've seen except from SYTYCD have just been dissapointing. It'll probably sell around as much as Forever Is Over in the long run. So once again i'm going to say....roll on the next single. :(
June 24, 201114 yr Friday Midday Update (Includes midday iTunes update) Tues Mids / Weds Mids / Thurs Mids / Fri Mids / [iTunes] / Artist / Track Top 20 /// - 12 - /// - /// - [12] - Aloe Black - I Need A Dollar 11 - 11 - 12 - 12 - [13] - LMFAO - Party Rock Anthem /// - 13 - 13 - 13 - [10] - Katy Perry - Last Friday Night /// - 16 - /// - 14 - [14] - Nicki Minaj - Super Bass /// - 15 - /// - /// - [17] - Bruno Mars - The Lazy Song 14 - 14 - 14 - 16 - [16] - JLo - I'm Into You 18 - 17 - 17 - 17 - [15] - California King Bed 19 - 18 - /// - /// - [22] - Chris Brown - Beautiful People 17 - 19 - 19 - 19 - [23] - The Saturdays - Notorious 21 - 21 - 20 - 20 - [27] - JLo - On The Floor Top 30 20 - 20 - 21 - 21 - [21] - Dev - Bass Down Low /// - 22 - /// - /// - [18] - The Black Eyed Peas - Don't Stop the Party /// - 23 - /// - /// - [24] - Snoop Dogg - Sweat 27 - 24 - 24 - 24 - [26] - Jessie J - Nobody's Perfect 29 - 25 - 25 - 25 - [19] - Adele - Set Fire To The Rain /// - 26 - /// - /// - [28] - Sweedish House Mafia - Save The World /// - 28 - 27 - 27 - [20] - Foster The People - Pumped Up Kicks /// - 27 - /// - /// - [25] - David Guetta - Where Them Girls At /// - 32 - 30 - 30 - [31] - Adele - Someone Like You Red indicates a fall, Green indicates an climb, Blue indicates a non-mover, /// indicates no position available, * indicates when combined.
June 24, 201114 yr ...so why on earth did their label think releasing something as risky as Notorious as LEAD single was a good idea? I don't even care about this single campaign anymore. Because there is no way they would have released it as a post-album single (and if it had of been it would not have charted well. You only have to look at it's poor chart run now to realise it). And what I mean by that is they'll release the not-as-good stuff first (to get it out the way with) then they can release the better stuff nearer the albums campaign and after it. It's what most artists do when they plan to release more than 1 pre-album single. I think any effect OAOS has on sales is negligible. To me at least, it seems clear that the reason this single is under performing is the drastic change in style of the song from the usual Saturdays sound. And throw into the mix the lack of early-on promotion, and radio not really supporting this, this is what you get. It's been marketed wrong, and they've used it as a guini-pig if you will. They'll most certainly do OA/OS again for the next single, they just need to review their plan of attack. It's poor planning. Edited June 24, 201114 yr by 2ndAdventure
June 24, 201114 yr Because there is no way they would have released it as a post-album single (and if it had of been it would not have charted well. You only have to look at it's poor chart run now to realise it). And what I mean by that is they'll release the not-as-good stuff first (to get it out the way with) then they can release the better stuff nearer the albums campaign and after it. It's what most artists do when they plan to release more than 1 pre-album single. But why does there have to be a "not-as-good" single release? Why can't they just release all their good stuff first? If you look at the Saturdays discography, their album tracks (Chasing Lights, Keep Her, Fall, Lose Control, Wordshaker, One Shot, Here Standing, Puppet) are much better than the singles, imo (Missing You, If This Is Love, Forever Is Over, Issues, Notorious). There's no excuse to be releasing sub-par singles, even if it IS just to "get it out the way".
June 24, 201114 yr But why does there have to be a "not-as-good" single release? Why can't they just release all their good stuff first? If you look at the Saturdays discography, their album tracks (Chasing Lights, Keep Her, Fall, Lose Control, Wordshaker, One Shot, Here Standing, Puppet) are much better than the singles, imo (Missing You, If This Is Love, Forever Is Over, Issues, Notorious). There's no excuse to be releasing sub-par singles, even if it IS just to "get it out the way". Because if they release all the good stuff what's gonna be left on the album? Will people invest their hard earned cash on an album they may already have most of the singles from? They wont pay £10 for some half-arsed tracks which is why balance is important. If they were releasing singles for the fans then yeah, release the good stuff, but every artist needs to release something that everyone will like, not just releasing fan favourites.
June 24, 201114 yr I do think in the past some of their singles choices have been poor, especially with lead singles, none of which have done THAT well and have all been outperformed by their 2nd singles which are all the 'sound' people expect from The Saturday's. Whatever way you cut it, the main reason Notorious isn't doing well is because it is sub par and not what people want from The Saturdays. Sure OAOS hasn't helped, nor has lack of promotion, but even if they had held it back until now I doubt it would have sold much more, perhaps had a higher peak in its first week, but then the drops thereafter would have been as they were, without any recovery.
June 24, 201114 yr Because if they release all the good stuff what's gonna be left on the album? Will people invest their hard earned cash on an album they may already have most of the singles from? They wont pay £10 for some half-arsed tracks which is why balance is important. If they were releasing singles for the fans then yeah, release the good stuff, but every artist needs to release something that everyone will like, not just releasing fan favourites. People don't usually buy an album thinking 'They've released the average stuff from it because they're keeping the good stuff for me when I do buy the album'. They buy the album based on the singles they have heard, so better singles = better sales. Obviously 'better' is a subjective term and people have different opinions, but I'm certain when we get the album Notorious will not be the best choice for lead single from it. Balance is of course important, but that isn't down to what songs are released, that's down to quality control at the point of recording.
June 24, 201114 yr Because if they release all the good stuff what's gonna be left on the album? Will people invest their hard earned cash on an album they may already have most of the singles from? They wont pay £10 for some half-arsed tracks which is why balance is important. If they were releasing singles for the fans then yeah, release the good stuff, but every artist needs to release something that everyone will like, not just releasing fan favourites. (hopefully) other good tracks? It shouldn't just be the singles that are good. Plenty of artists have had albums that have been highly praised for their unreleased album tracks (including the last Saturdays albums). I don't see why releasing the worst songs from the album helps anything.
June 24, 201114 yr People don't usually buy an album thinking 'They've released the average stuff from it because they're keeping the good stuff for me when I do buy the album'. They buy the album based on the singles they have heard, so better singles = better sales. Obviously 'better' is a subjective term and people have different opinions, but I'm certain when we get the album Notorious will not be the best choice for lead single from it. Balance is of course important, but that isn't down to what songs are released, that's down to quality control at the point of recording. I know but it's swings and roundabouts unless they actually make an album where every track is brilliant which they have yet to achieve. The better tracks should be released as singles of course I agree with that, and some of their single choices have been a bit mis-guided, but I'm not going to the point of saying the singles they chose where the wrong singles because they weren't - they've got them all right as far as the material goes. But what I'm saying is if people have already purchased the singles (which are all the good ones), what's left on the album? The not-so-good ones, which people wont want to buy - and it's albums every artists needs to sell the most, not singles. We shouldn't assume that just because the album has had a massive hit that the album will sell because that's not the case. Look at Nicole Scherzinger for example, #1 with Don't Hold Your Breath, amazing song, sold around 350k, and for the album... not that much. That 59p of Notorious is split left right and centre, it will bring next to nothing in for the girls themselves. They need the right balance. The real problem is not the material itself though (the material still needs to be better though, I'm not denying that), it's the way it's being marketed and released off the back of poor decisions at the end of the day. The whole campaign has been used as a testing ground which I don't agree with. (hopefully) other good tracks? It shouldn't just be the singles that are good. Plenty of artists have had albums that have been highly praised for their unreleased album tracks (including the last Saturdays albums). I don't see why releasing the worst songs from the album helps anything. Notorious wont be the worst track. When I said they release the not-as-good tracks first (note, I didn't say the worst track) I meant sub-par. There will be better tracks on this album for sure, but they're better off saving them for the next single rather than have a 'good single' first then a 'bad single' to follow up. Edited June 24, 201114 yr by 2ndAdventure
June 24, 201114 yr Just watching the Graham Norton Show. How could a group go from "Up" to something like that? :(
June 24, 201114 yr Wasn't impressed with the performance :/ And Una needs to stop doing the 'uuuooooooo' bit. She sounds dreadfully out of tune and feeble.
June 24, 201114 yr Why has Frankie gone back to her If This Is Love hair? I don't approve! The performance on Graham Norton was alright. I wish Una would either sing all of or preferably none of the "ooooooooh" bits, as she sounds odd over the backing track, and then when she doesn't sing over them they seam out of place.
June 24, 201114 yr That was vocally their best performance yet. So glad Rochelle took some of Vanessas lines. Mollie miming (as usual) the intro and outro, but hey-ho, it wasn't that side-splittingly obvious. The EQ between her pre-recorded vocals and the live vocals were just the same so no harm done. They've stated in interviews that Notorious will not be 'sound' of the album, so I expect this to be a one-off. All Fired Up still sounds in that vien however from that small clip.
June 24, 201114 yr For those of you (like me) who didn't see Friday Download (what?) on CBBC early here is the performance of Notorious lfC8mE_bw0Q Looking very good as usual.
June 25, 201114 yr I gotta admit, the girls are looking great - clothes wise. And the choreo is tight and their movements are quite sharp. Vocally, Vanessa's become a pure lazy disappointment. Even in the recording she sounded hoarse on the "Closer baby look in my eyes" line. So I guess her voice has been troubling her for a while. Thank God Rochelle is capable of picking up her slack. Una in Notorious = annoying lol. And I'm not really big on Frankie's pre-dated cut :(. Edited June 25, 201114 yr by Jaynote
June 25, 201114 yr That was vocally their best performance yet. So glad Rochelle took some of Vanessas lines. Mollie miming (as usual) the intro and outro, but hey-ho, it wasn't that side-splittingly obvious. The EQ between her pre-recorded vocals and the live vocals were just the same so no harm done. I think we were watching different performances then...! How can you say it was their best vocal performance when you thought Mollie was miming? Bit of a PARADOX. Besides, she wasn't miming they were just singing over the backing track. Which is one of the reasons it was so awful and sounded weird. Is Vanessa ill? Again? These girls are so sickly aren't they.
June 25, 201114 yr I think we were watching different performances then...! How can you say it was their best vocal performance when you thought Mollie was miming? Bit of a PARADOX. Besides, she wasn't miming they were just singing over the backing track. Which is one of the reasons it was so awful and sounded weird. Is Vanessa ill? Again? These girls are so sickly aren't they. Mollie wasn't singing over the backing vocals in her intro and outro. I've heard the playback version and her vocals were identical to the ones at SYTYCD, Graham Norton, Friday Download etc. Her mouth movements didn't match intonation of the track. It was their best vocal performance because they were all in tune, regardless of Mollie miming. It was a good performance!
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