Um...okay! :blink:

You seem to think that singing quickly means that she's rapping. That's not rapping. If that was the case, you could call Destiny's Child rappers for singing quickly on songs like "Bug A Boo". Ke$ha isn't even close to being rapper.

:wub: I voted for them like 6 times every week, I swear I was the only one :lol:

 

I voted. :D

 

I loved their 'All The Man That I Need' performance best! Well joint with 'That's Life'. ^_^ I don't get the criticism they got from Simon after performing ATMTIN. :mellow:

Just saying, the only reason everyone here's hating on Swagger Jagger is out of jealousy that Cher Lloyd's more talented than Adele ~

I disliked PF at first but have always seen the appeal of it. The lyrics, for example, are brilliant and the innuendos are brilliant. That can't be said about SJ which mainly consists of naming social networking sites, saying "get on the floor" (I'd rather obey J.Lo than Cher), talking about "haters", mentioning "swagger". It's just trying to be too current and cool - but then any song that references Twitter, steals lyrics from recent hits and uses modern "cool" language is guilty of that.

 

Kanye West, T.I., B.o.B, Eminem, Soulja Boy, Chris Brown, Keri Hilson, Rihanna, infact, the vast majority of urban artists, have done songs adressing their haters. Why isn't Cher allowed to do it?

 

And the irony is, Cher is probably hated more than all those artists! :lol:

 

You seem to think that singing quickly means that she's rapping. That's not rapping. If that was the case, you could call Destiny's Child rappers for singing quickly on songs like "Bug A Boo". Ke$ha isn't even close to being rapper.

 

She is rapping. Seriously, do a Google search.

 

Hmmm. Who shall I believe. Professional music critics who say Ke$ha raps in her songs, or random guys on Buzzjack who say she doesn't? Yeah, I'll go with the professional music critics (and my ears).

Edited July 31, 201113 yr by Eric_Blob

Also LOVING that someone's seriously attempting to claim vidcapper isn't narrow-minded!

She is rapping. Seriously, do a Google search.

I physically don't understand how you can think that's rapping. She's singing quickly, even I can keep up and I cannot rap to save my life. Beyoncé sounds more like she's rapping, on "Run the World (Girls)". It's embarrassing to think that people are actually believing that Ke$ha is a rapper.

You are probably right but your argument is stupid if you think that makes me closed-minded.

 

I will most probably hate every song LMFAO release in the future but that's because they are not to my taste (or actually because I have taste). It's like vidcapper hating every Eminem song. He just doesn't like Rap/Hip-Hop, he can't warm to that style of music. It doesn't make him narrow-minded.

 

Thank you - I wish I could convince others here of that, though. ;)

 

I physically don't understand how you can think that's rapping. She's singing quickly, even I can keep up and I cannot rap to save my life. Beyoncé sounds more like she's rapping, on "Run the World (Girls)". It's embarrassing to think that people are actually believing that Ke$ha is a rapper.

 

It's quite common knowledge tha Ke$ha raps on Tik Tok, etc! Did nobody wonder why people kept comparing her to Fergie when it came out? :lol:

 

I've referred to her rapping so many times on here aswell, and only now there's a massive debate about it! :lol:

 

http://www.billboard.com/#/news/ke-ha-the-...004069106.story

Ke$ha's "rapping" gives the songs a semi-modern twist, though her version recalls one that dates back to the '80s, in cuts like the Flying Lizards' take on "Money" or The Waitresses' "Christmas Wrapping." Like the singers in those groups, Ke$ha is all cheek and bluster. In "Take It Off," she gleefully advocates nudity on the dance floor, while "Blah Blah Blah" could become the "whatever" anthem of the season.

 

In fact, Ke$ha raps far less often than she sings. If somewhere amid the overheated production there lies an engaging voice, it's often vocoded or multitracked into what sounds like a choir of electrified chipmunks.

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/27/arts/music/27rappers.html

A burgeoning pop star who is primarily a singer, Ke$ha is nevertheless a pioneer. “TiK ToK” and the handful of other rap-influenced songs on her debut album, “Animal” (Kemosabe/RCA), to be released Jan. 5, are the product of a world in which hip-hop is such lingua franca, so embedded in the pop slipstream that it’s possible to make songs that are primarily rapped but are not widely considered to be rap songs.

 

It’s all part of the continuing deracination of the act of rapping, which used to be inscribed as a specifically black act, but which has been appropriated so frequently and with such ease that it’s been, in some cases, re-racinated. The very existence of the casually rapping white girl reflects decreasingly stringent ideas about race and gender.

 

This has happened before. In the same way that, at the turn of the last decade, rap-metal provided a space for white men to rap without being explicitly compared to their black peers, club-oriented electro-rap has, in recent years, become a haven for white women.

 

At least for a couple of them.

 

This has been a banner year for white-girl rap, as these things go. There was the debut album by the Philadelphia rapper Amanda Blank, the relentless and suffocating “I Love You” (Downtown). On “Boom Boom Pow,” the pummeling Black Eyed Peas hit, the surprise twist was a rapped interlude by the group’s singer, Fergie. Even the country-pop singer Jessie James tried it out on “Blue Jeans,” a song that practically owes a publishing check to Dem Franchize Boyz for appropriating the cadence and concept of their 2004 song “White Tee.”

http://www.slate.com/content/slate/blogs/b..._pitchfork.html

Late last month, I wrote an essay about Miley Cyrus's "Party in the USA," a song produced and co-written by Lukasz Gottwald. Gottwald, who also goes by Dr. Luke, has had his Swedish fingerprints all over pop radio for several years, and around the same time the Cyrus piece ran, the video for another of his creations hit the Web: a single called " TiK ToK ," performed by the 22-year-old rapper-singer Ke$ha. The song sets up shop on the fault line between charmingly daft and deeply irritating. The rapped verses are sub-Fergie-grade, proudly stuffed with groaners and to-hell-with-the-expiration-date slang ("Errbody getting crunk/ Boys tryina touch my junk"). The plotline plays like a sequel to Lady Gaga's "Just Dance": girl wakes up drunk, stays drunk, finds a dance floor and (spoiler alert) gets even drunker. (There are several YouTube videos of girls who look to be seventh graders goofily acting out the words.)

 

No offense, but I'm more inclined to agree with the professional music reviewers who work for Billboard and the BBC than you. :lol:

Edited July 31, 201113 yr by Eric_Blob

cher and Nicki minaj in the top 10, talk about bad news! :(

The first article you just posted highlighted that it's not actually true rapping that she does. Her "rapping" is her singing quickly to a beat. There's actually melody in what she's doing, as opposed to rapping which is basically very fast talking. She's physically singing it. I can't rap along to Eminem, Jay-Z, Nicki Minaj etc. but I can "rap" along to Ke$ha because she's singing her "rapping".

I'd say Ke$ha's 'rapping' is more half-rapped, half-sung lyrics. Rapping at a speed even the least hip-hop of us can keep up with doesn't mean you're not rapping (Mike Shinoda or Snoop Dogg, for instance), but there's something about Ke$ha's efforts that don't seem to fit quite right when I describe it as rapping - don't ask me why :lol:

Contemporary music critics aren't exactly musically intelligent themselves. You just have to look at some of their closed-minded reviews. Anything that is less than 120bpm is normally rated lower than the club bangers (see DigitalSpy as prime example).

 

The problem with Cher is that she tries to be Urban but when you work with predominantly Pop producers like Autumn Rowe (she's a writer but oh well) and RedOne, you get a Pop-that-is-trying-to-be-Urban sound.

I forgot to say that Magic have created a video for Adele - Set Fire To The Rain, seen it last night!

The first article you just posted highlighted that it's not actually true rapping that she does. Her "rapping" is her singing quickly to a beat. There's actually melody in what she's doing, as opposed to rapping which is basically very fast talking. She's physically singing it. I can't rap along to Eminem, Jay-Z, Nicki Minaj etc. but I can "rap" along to Ke$ha because she's singing her "rapping".

 

But loads of other people who are considered rappers have melodies in their raps. What about Drake's verse in What's My Name?, for example. Or T-Pain who's known for autotuning his raps.

 

The thing is, literally every review of Ke$ha's album and Tik Tok comments on this rap-talking thing that she does in the verses. So I was just quite shocked at the reaction to me saying she raps! :o This was the hot debate everybody was having late 2009. :lol:

 

But yes, I can understand why people wouldn't consider Ke$ha a rapper. I wouldn't really either, even though I think she raps in some of her songs (in the same way that B.o.B, Nicki Minaj, Eminem, etc. sing in a lot of their songs, but I don't really consider them singers).

Edited July 31, 201113 yr by Eric_Blob

But loads of other people who are considered rappers have melodies in their raps. What about Drake's verse in What's My Name?, for example. Or T-Pain who's known for autotuning his raps.

She's singing it. It's not like it sounds like there's a tune, she's actually singing what she's saying, as opposed to speaking it. I'm finishing this conversation now. You believe that she's a rapper, I don't. Let's just agree to disagree. :P

Just looking through some of the comments on here and I couldn't help but laugh, Ke$ha raps really?? :lol:

 

No offense to anyone but I would of thought, knowing the difference to what's rap, from what's not would be obvious.

 

As for Cher referring to haters in SJ, I had this discussion with someone they said, as she's new on the scene singing about haters in your debut song, Is not the best route to go as it will only make people dislike you more, if your established and had a couple of single release's fair enough, you might want to address your haters in your music, like many other artist have done but not with your first song.

 

I think that's a valid point, yeah fair enough she was disliked on X Factor by many but you only get more hate/dislike by rubbing it in your debut song to the non fans, which she did with the lyrics, so why bother?

Edited July 31, 201113 yr by yeahyeah

I forgot to say that Magic have created a video for Adele - Set Fire To The Rain, seen it last night!

 

What is it like?

 

It's good that they at least have something to play. Just that it gets slots on MTV should help, even if the actual video might not be very professional or whatnot.

 

Just looking through some of the comments on here and I couldn't help but laugh, Ke$ha raps really?? :lol:

 

No offence to anyone but I would of thought, knowing the difference to what's rap, from what's not would be obvious.

 

As for Cher referring to haters in SJ, I had this discussion with someone they said, as she's new on the scene singing about haters in your debut song, Is not the best route to go as it will only make people dislike you more, if your established and had a couple of single release's fair enough, you might want to address your haters in your music, like many other artist have done but not with your first song.

 

I think that's a valid point, yeah fair enough she was disliked on X Factor by many but you only get more hate/dislike by rubbing it in your debut song to the non fans, which she did with the lyrics, so why bother?

 

I'll ignore you mocking me about Ke$ha...

 

I agree with the haters thing. It's probably not a good idea for Cher to have done it on her first single. Although I do think she's entirely justified (since as I pointed out earlier, who hasn't done a song about that), her doing a song about her haters is really just enticing them, so to speak. I think she would've been better off not doing that in her first single tbh.

Edited July 31, 201113 yr by Eric_Blob

The problem with Cher is that she tries to be Urban but when you work with predominantly Pop producers like Autumn Rowe (she's a writer but oh well) and RedOne, you get a Pop-that-is-trying-to-be-Urban sound.

 

That's very true, I think RedOne spread himself(?) far too thinly after his initial success with GaGa and is basically saving his best productions (or at least the ones he puts most effort into) for her - for instance, the huge drum breakdown at the end of "Hair" is more interesting musically than the whole of "She Makes Me Wanna" and "On The Floor" would be a lot less memorable were it not for its sample.

That's very true, I think RedOne spread himself(?) far too thinly after his initial success with GaGa and is basically saving his best productions (or at least the ones he puts most effort into) for her - for instance, the huge drum breakdown at the end of "Hair" is more interesting musically than the whole of "She Makes Me Wanna" and "On The Floor" would be a lot less memorable were it not for its sample.

 

Don't forget Start Without You aswell. :drama: Although it's actually one of my favourites tbh, even though most people hate it.

 

Although, ironically, I think some of his Gaga songs are his worst. Alejandro and Love Game are his best I've heard of hers. Just Dance was not too dreadful either, but I think Akon co-produced it. Poker Face, Bad Romance, Monster, Judas and Scheisse: ABYSMAL imo.

 

He also re-uses beats so much. His remixes of Dirty Dance and More sound the same as She Makes Me Wanna. And he uses some of the exact same sound effects in Just Dance, Poker Face and Judas, and also for other artists. I've heard some Kat DeLuna songs with those sound effects in too.

 

And he sometimes seems to take percussion from other songs too (when his songs even have any in the first place).

 

Oh, and I also hate Papi. I'm dreading that getting into the chart. :puke: It sounds good for like the first 20 seconds (and the section in the music video to I'm Into You sounds good aswell), but it's just so generic. It just sounds like a mixture of Tik Tok and Alejandro tbh. Heard it all before.

Edited July 31, 201113 yr by Eric_Blob

Wonder how long it's will take for cher to overtake JLS...