Now on this week's chart we've got that Valerie x 2 thing. I say they should be together, coz its the same damn song i.e. Adele was listed together recently, as are many others....Lulu in 1986. What's your preference?

 

JOKE OF THE WEEK: What did the Cowboy say, when he went to the Car Showroom???? "Audi!"

 

Top Physicals

01 JLS

02 Wanted

03 Six D

 

Top 75

Living Color

 

Top 70

Dr Dre

Amy W - WYSLMT

Nicole Scherzinger - DHYB

Birdy - SL

U2

Jay Z/Kanye West

Benny Benassi/Gary Go

Coldplay - FY

Bad Meets Evil

Robyn

 

Top 60

Tinchy Stryder/Dappy

Dev/Cataracs

Black Eyed Peas

Swedish House Mafia

Snow Patrol

Magnetic Man

Jessie J - PT 13)

Wynter Gordon

Chase & Status - Hitz

J.Lo/Lil Wayne

 

Top 50

50 LMFAO/Natalia Kills

49 Adele - In The Deep 12

48 Amy & Ronson

47 Snoop Dogg

46 Jessie J 11)

45 Mann

44 Eminem

43 Amy - Valerie

42 Nicole Scherzinger

41 Amy - You Know I'm

 

40 Christina Perri

39 Saturdays 10)

38 Vato Gillespie

37 SFG

36 Adele - SLY

35 Rihanna

34 Enrique & Co

33 Foster The People

32 Six D 9)

31 Amy - Love Is A

 

30 Bruno Mars 8)

29 Wiz/Tinie

28 Amy - Tears Dry On

27 Amy - Rehab

26 Coldplay 7)

25 J.Lo/Pitbull

24 GaGa

23 Chris & Benny Hill

22 Chris & Justin

21 Rizzle Kicks

 

20 LMFAO

19 David Guetta - WTGA

18 Alex Stan

17 David Guetta - LBG

16 Example

15 Aloe Blacc

14 Jason Derulo 6)

13 Maverick Sabre

12 Adele

11 Calvin Harris/Kelis 5)

 

10 Nicki Minaj

09 Katy Perry

08 Amy - BTB

07 Pitbull

06 Loick Essien

05 Beyonce

04 Ed Sheeran 4)

03 DJ Fresh 3)

02 Wanted 2)

01 JLS/Dev 1)

 

) Position without downloads alone

 

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Oh I hope Christina Perri can sneak in, currently top 40 on iTunes, don't want her just missing out again & again, like last week :(

Now on this week's chart we've got that Valerie x 2 thing. I say they should be together, coz its the same damn song i.e. Adele was listed together recently, as are many others....Lulu in 1986. What's your preference?

 

I agree. I would've had them combined aswell, but ultimately, it's up to their record labels I guess, and they chose not to combine them, for whatever reason.

As per a few of my posts in the last week I agree with separating the two versions of Valerie.

Amy is only the featured artist on the Mark Ronson version. Combining them would be like combining the two versions of Empire State Of Mind.

Amy is only the featured artist on the Mark Ronson version. Combining them would be like combining the two versions of Empire State Of Mind.

 

Well, the order of the crediting doesn't matter. The two versions of Empire State of Mind could've been combined aswell, if their record label chose to do so. Currently in the chart, for example, Dirty Dancer by Usher ft. Enrique Iglesias is being combined with Dirty Dancer by Enrique Iglesias ft. Usher and Lil Wayne.

 

It might be weird, but they could've done it.

 

Not that it matters really. Whatever they decide, they have their reasons, and I'm happy to go along with it, even if I can't understand the motives behind them. :lol:

Well, the order of the crediting doesn't matter. The two versions of Empire State of Mind could've been combined aswell, if their record label chose to do so. Currently in the chart, for example, Dirty Dancer by Usher ft. Enrique Iglesias is being combined with Dirty Dancer by Enrique Iglesias ft. Usher and Lil Wayne.

 

It might be weird, but they could've done it.

 

I'm sure we've had this discussion before? It's only listed as 'Usher feat. Enrique Iglesias' on Usher's album because it's Usher's album. It's still the same song. 'Valerie' by Amy Winehouse is a different song to 'Valerie' by Mark Ronson feat. Amy Winehouse.

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I badly want Katy Perry to get above #9, this week may be her only chance. I hope it can!

I'm sure we've had this discussion before? It's only listed as 'Usher feat. Enrique Iglesias' on Usher's album because it's Usher's album. It's still the same song. 'Valerie' by Amy Winehouse is a different song to 'Valerie' by Mark Ronson feat. Amy Winehouse.

*Puts on pedant's hat*

 

Different from

 

*Returns pedant's hat to cupboard*

*Puts on pedant's hat*

 

Different from

 

*Returns pedant's hat to cupboard*

 

'Different to' and 'different than' are both generally acceptable as well (although 'different from' is 'more' correct in that things differ from other things I suppose).

Edited July 29, 201113 yr by Bré

I'm sure we've had this discussion before? It's only listed as 'Usher feat. Enrique Iglesias' on Usher's album because it's Usher's album. It's still the same song. 'Valerie' by Amy Winehouse is a different song to 'Valerie' by Mark Ronson feat. Amy Winehouse.

 

No, it's the same SONG, just a slightly different VERSION

I'm sure we've had this discussion before? It's only listed as 'Usher feat. Enrique Iglesias' on Usher's album because it's Usher's album. It's still the same song. 'Valerie' by Amy Winehouse is a different song to 'Valerie' by Mark Ronson feat. Amy Winehouse.

 

No. The instrumentals are very different (check it out on Youtube or something), and it doesn't have a rap verse from Lil Wayne. Those two versions of Dirty Dancer are probably more different to each other than those two versions of Valerie.

 

Even songs with different titles have been combined before. Gettin' Over by David Guetta ft. Chris Willis gets combined to Gettin' Over You by David Guetta & Chris Willis ft. Fergie & LMFAO. And the OCC even changed the title of the song after they announced the remix.

Urgh, that awful Jar of hearts is creeping it's way to the UK. Heart fm have been overplaying it lately.

No, it's the same SONG, just a slightly different VERSION

 

Should The Zutons' original be thrown in as well then? That's the same song, just a different version.

No. The instrumentals are very different (check it out on Youtube or something), and it doesn't have a rap verse from Lil Wayne. Those two versions of Dirty Dancer are probably more different to each other than those two versions of Valerie.

 

Even songs with different titles have been combined before. Gettin' Over by David Guetta ft. Chris Willis gets combined to Gettin' Over You by David Guetta & Chris Willis ft. Fergie & LMFAO. And the OCC even changed the title of the song after they announced the remix.

 

Well if it is a different instrumental then it's just a remix. The Lil Wayne version is also a remix. And Gettin' Over You is also a remix of Gettin' Over. The Mark version of Valerie is not a remix of the Amy version, or vice versa. Amy recorded the vocals once as a featured artist on Mark Ronson's song and then again as her own song. Combining them makes as much sense as combining the two versions of Empire State Of Mind.

 

You can't take two songs by completely different lead artists and say they're the same song. No one complained when Greg Street's Turn My Swag On which featured Soulja Boy Tell 'Em and Soulja Boy Tell 'Em's own Turn My Swag On charted separately. I don't see how Valerie is any different.

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Well if it is a different instrumental then it's just a remix. The Lil Wayne version is also a remix. And Gettin' Over You is also a remix of Gettin' Over. The Mark version of Valerie is not a remix of the Amy version, or vice versa. Amy recorded the vocals once as a featured artist on Mark Ronson's song and then again as her own song. Combining them makes as much sense as combining the two versions of Empire State Of Mind.

 

You can't take two songs by completely different lead artists and say they're the same song. No one complained when Greg Street's Turn My Swag On which featured Soulja Boy Tell 'Em and Soulja Boy Tell 'Em's own Turn My Swag On charted separately. I don't see how Valerie is any different.

 

Seriously, that's not how it works. The managers decide whether they want to combine certain tracks or not. It's nothing more than that. There's no rules like if an artist re-records the vocals they have to be counted seperately. There's nothing like that. The record labels just decided not to have the tracks combined (or were too lazy to get them combined).

 

The Empire State of Minds could've been combined, and the Gettin' Over (You)s could've charted seperately. There's no rules saying they couldn't. Not to mention, the OCC can be asked to use different credits to what you see on iTunes.

Seriously, that's not how it works. The managers decide whether they want to combine certain tracks or not. It's nothing more than that. There's no rules like if an artist re-records the vocals they have to be counted seperately. There's nothing like that. The record labels just decided not to have the tracks combined (or were too lazy to get them combined).

 

The Empire State of Minds could've been combined, and the Gettin' Over (You)s could've charted seperately. There's no rules saying they couldn't. Not to mention, the OCC can be asked to use different credits to what you see on iTunes.

 

And 'Don't Wanna Go Home' could be combined with 'Sex On Fire' if the respective record labels agreed to that. That's beside the point. We're arguing whether they *should* be combined, not whether they *can* (of course they can).

The strongest arguement for combining both versions of Valerie, imo, is that they both are using the same vocalist (Amy), with the same lyrics, just Ronson's version has some added production. At least, I think. I haven't heard Amy's solo version, so correct me on that if I'm wrong.

 

Empire State of Mind is completely different because in Part 2, Alicia has taken the chorus and added different lyrics to the vocals.

And 'Don't Wanna Go Home' could be combined with 'Sex On Fire' if the respective record labels agreed to that. That's beside the point. We're arguing whether they *should* be combined, not whether they *can* (of course they can).

 

Yeah. That's true. I think, if it was up to me, I would've combined them. I understand your arguements though.

Well, the order of the crediting doesn't matter. The two versions of Empire State of Mind could've been combined aswell, if their record label chose to do so. Currently in the chart, for example, Dirty Dancer by Usher ft. Enrique Iglesias is being combined with Dirty Dancer by Enrique Iglesias ft. Usher and Lil Wayne.

 

How do you know they are? The Usher version hasn't sold anywhere near enough to come close to charting in the top 200 on its own