joecomments, can you set up twitter accounts for Pixie Lott and The Saturdays instead? They are the ones with the inflated public opinion, I reckon Joe's public opinion is actually about right so there's no need to reveal the truth about him! He mainly gets brought up in unfavourable terms in other former X Factor contestants articles or in the week before the X Factor final, again unfavourably. If anything the poor kid could do with some good PR! I'm looking forward to seeing Pixiecomments on twitter ASAP. Dispel the myths that need dispelling!

 

It's a small world eh, I see that Joe knows Jade from Little Mix.

Edited December 15, 201113 yr by BuzzLightyear

joecomments, can you set up twitter accounts for Pixie Lott and The Saturdays instead? They are the ones with the inflated public opinion, I reckon Joe's public opinion is actually about right so there's no need to reveal the truth about him! He mainly gets brought up in unfavourable terms in other former X Factor contestants articles or in the week before the X Factor final, again unfavourably. If anything the poor kid could do with some good PR! I'm looking forward to seeing Pixiecomments on twitter ASAP. Dispel the myths that need dispelling!

 

It's a small world eh, I see that Joe knows Jade from Little Mix.

 

 

Edited December 15, 201113 yr by torresgirl

joecomments, can you set up twitter accounts for Pixie Lott and The Saturdays instead? They are the ones with the inflated public opinion, I reckon Joe's public opinion is actually about right so there's no need to reveal the truth about him! He mainly gets brought up in unfavourable terms in other former X Factor contestants articles or in the week before the X Factor final, again unfavourably. If anything the poor kid could do with some good PR! I'm looking forward to seeing Pixiecomments on twitter ASAP. Dispel the myths that need dispelling!

 

It's a small world eh, I see that Joe knows Jade from Little Mix.

 

Sounds like a good idea! Can you just remind me though: when did Pixie Lott come out as straight on the front page of the Sun, claiming to have no idea where the rumours she was gay came from? And what was the date, 7 months later, when she appeared again on the front page of the Sun, this time claiming she had only just discovered she was gay, even though she had an affair with another woman a year before? Armed with the evidence that she too is a pathological liar, I can get going on the Twitter accounts! :D

 

Sounds like a good idea! Can you just remind me though: when did Pixie Lott come out as straight on the front page of the Sun, claiming to have no idea where the rumours she was gay came from? And what was the date, 7 months later, when she appeared again on the front page of the Sun, this time claiming she had only just discovered she was gay, even though she had an affair with another woman a year before? Armed with the evidence that she too is a pathological liar, I can get going on the Twitter accounts! :D

 

The Sun is evidence to prove someone a pathological liar...

 

Ok... :blink:

 

And I wouldn't hold someone in any less regard if they DID lie about their sexuality. Seems you're chasing a moot point.

Oh god, now you're just clutching at straws to find fault with anyone and everyone. Besides, Eyes is correct - The Sun will print any old shit. Hardly any of it is actually true...

 

People are perfectly entitled not to parade sexuality around to anyone who'll listen. In fact I probably have more respect for someone who keeps it hidden for a bit tbh, it's hard.

Sounds like a good idea! Can you just remind me though: when did Pixie Lott come out as straight on the front page of the Sun, claiming to have no idea where the rumours she was gay came from? And what was the date, 7 months later, when she appeared again on the front page of the Sun, this time claiming she had only just discovered she was gay, even though she had an affair with another woman a year before? Armed with the evidence that she too is a pathological liar, I can get going on the Twitter accounts! :D

This is not acceptable. You clearly have NO IDEA of the complexities for dealing with sexuality. Do not bring your childish opinions here.

This is not acceptable. You clearly have NO IDEA of the complexities for dealing with sexuality. Do not bring your childish opinions here.

 

Well it was suggested I should set up a Twitter account for Pixie Lott: I just explained why I'm not going to. Also, please don't make presumptions about what I know or don't know about sexuality. My sexuality is my business because I didn't choose to go on the front page of the Sun to announce it (or to lie about it). And I agree someone is entitled to hide their sexuality (as I just said, it's their business): that doesn't mean they're entitled to deliberately mislead people as to their sexuality for the purpose of selling albums. We have enough liars in public life already without adding more.

Well it was suggested I should set up a Twitter account for Pixie Lott: I just explained why I'm not going to. Also, please don't make presumptions about what I know or don't know about sexuality. My sexuality is my business because I didn't choose to go on the front page of the Sun to announce it (or to lie about it). And I agree someone is entitled to hide their sexuality (as I just said, it's their business): that doesn't mean they're entitled to deliberately mislead people as to their sexuality for the purpose of selling albums. We have enough liars in public life already without adding more.

K**b.

 

 

Perhaps he lied because, despite all things, there remains mainstream homophobia. He was a young lad and it's a brave step. You seem to assume he lied just to sell albums/ singles, he was probably advised to do that by people he trusted, and being young took that advice. What do you want him to do hand back any royalties he got pre coming out? Would that assuage you?

 

Whilst you're at it get Boy George, George Michael, Liberace, and Little Richard. You are gonna be one busy boy!

Well it was suggested I should set up a Twitter account for Pixie Lott: I just explained why I'm not going to. Also, please don't make presumptions about what I know or don't know about sexuality. My sexuality is my business because I didn't choose to go on the front page of the Sun to announce it (or to lie about it). And I agree someone is entitled to hide their sexuality (as I just said, it's their business): that doesn't mean they're entitled to deliberately mislead people as to their sexuality for the purpose of selling albums. We have enough liars in public life already without adding more.

You really really miss the point.

 

I will presume actually - if you had gone though the rites of coming out not to anyone else but to just yourself the you would KNOW how difficult it is. It is not lying, it is being scared about repercussions for yourself and everyone you know.

 

Joe did not 'mislead people' to sell albums - his sexuality has made no difference to 99.9% of people. Shame you are this 0.01%, but you should get over it and move on in life.

Well it was suggested I should set up a Twitter account for Pixie Lott: I just explained why I'm not going to. Also, please don't make presumptions about what I know or don't know about sexuality. My sexuality is my business because I didn't choose to go on the front page of the Sun to announce it (or to lie about it). And I agree someone is entitled to hide their sexuality (as I just said, it's their business): that doesn't mean they're entitled to deliberately mislead people as to their sexuality for the purpose of selling albums. We have enough liars in public life already without adding more.

It's a wonderful thing called SARCASM.

You really really miss the point.

 

I will presume actually - if you had gone though the rites of coming out not to anyone else but to just yourself the you would KNOW how difficult it is. It is not lying, it is being scared about repercussions for yourself and everyone you know.

 

Joe did not 'mislead people' to sell albums - his sexuality has made no difference to 99.9% of people. Shame you are this 0.01%, but you should get over it and move on in life.

 

Your presumption is as to what rites I have gone through: you know nothing about any such things. You have no right to presume about someone else's sexuality. You also presume Joe's sexuality makes any difference to me: it doesn't. Also, I agree fully with those saying how hard it is to come out and you sometimes feel under pressure to lie. The trouble is...Joe has repeatedly DENIED being under ANY pressure, whether to confirm OR deny he ws gay. So unless you are saying he is lying about that as well, you can't use this as an argument.

 

Actually I suspect Joe IS lying about that and you might well be right about pressure and so on and I would be very sympathetic if that were true. This is the trouble with lying: once you start, people can never believe anything you say.

Your presumption is as to what rites I have gone through: you know nothing about any such things. You have no right to presume about someone else's sexuality. You also presume Joe's sexuality makes any difference to me: it doesn't. Also, I agree fully with those saying how hard it is to come out and you sometimes feel under pressure to lie. The trouble is...Joe has repeatedly DENIED being under ANY pressure, whether to confirm OR deny he ws gay. So unless you are saying he is lying about that as well, you can't use this as an argument.

 

Actually I suspect Joe IS lying about that and you might well be right about pressure and so on and I would be very sympathetic if that were true. This is the trouble with lying: once you start, people can never believe anything you say.

None of us will never know for sure but what I don't understand is why it matters so much to you if he has or not? Your argument seems to run that a he has lied about this then you can't trust a word he says.

 

If you look at george michael for instance, a man who actually dated women in the 80s (even sleeping with them) and never admitted his sexuality until more or less forced to, yet he is regarded highly now for hits openness. almost every band or artist has indulged over the years in hype, maybe not in the area of sexuality but in others.

I am bored with this argument. I started this thread and wanted it to be about Joe's new album Classic but a certain person has hijacked it with his own beef about Joe, which, I might add, he takes onto every forum he can find.

 

Please mods can you close this thread and stop people talking about irrelevant subjects.

 

By the way, have you read the "open letter" in the Mail? He says in there that he doesn't think it is anyone's business about someone else's private life.

Well it was suggested I should set up a Twitter account for Pixie Lott: I just explained why I'm not going to. Also, please don't make presumptions about what I know or don't know about sexuality. My sexuality is my business because I didn't choose to go on the front page of the Sun to announce it (or to lie about it). And I agree someone is entitled to hide their sexuality (as I just said, it's their business): that doesn't mean they're entitled to deliberately mislead people as to their sexuality for the purpose of selling albums. We have enough liars in public life already without adding more.

 

I'm not interested in their private lives. Isn't the fact that people think they sell loads of records but don't enough? This whole did Joe lie about being gay thing is impossible to prove either way, it's a very complicated matter he deseves the benefit of the doubt over. And it's not like he's gained anything from it anyway.

 

his sexuality has made no difference to 99.9% of people. Shame you are this 0.01%, but you should get over it and move on in life.

 

Bury your head in the sand if you want to but it has made a difference. I understand this is a sensitive subject to you as I take it you're gay but try and be objective. He lost his appeal to many young girls. Joe is fit/fitter than comments stopped etc. It should actually increase appeal because they're not gonna be with another woman but that's the way things are to some. I don't understand it myself, I love lesbians.

Bury your head in the sand if you want to but it has made a difference. I understand this is a sensitive subject to you as I take it you're gay but try and be objective. He lost his appeal to many young girls. Joe is fit/fitter than comments stopped etc. It should actually increase appeal because they're not gonna be with another woman but that's the way things are to some. I don't understand it myself, I love lesbians.

Again difficult to prove - I think he still had the same music buying appeal (initially) but we will never know how things would have panned out otherwise.

 

My point was towards him as a person now - 99.9% of people no longer care about his sexuality and have no problem with it. Clearly a small amount do.

This sounds like a disappointed girl to me. There, there.

Again difficult to prove - I think he still had the same music buying appeal (initially) but we will never know how things would have panned out otherwise.

 

My point was towards him as a person now - 99.9% of people no longer care about his sexuality and have no problem with it. Clearly a small amount do.

 

Was just looking on Twitter and saw a few interesting comments after the Westlife special. Here are just some of them, horrifying stuff really...

 

"I used to drag my mother to Westlife concerts until Mark came out as gay."

 

"I remember scott used to say he was like Mark from westlife then he found out he was gay and denied he ever said it hahahah"

 

"Didn't even realise mark from westlife was gay! I'm such a muppet!...i always quite liked him too! :L"

 

"why did Mark (westlife) have to be gay? Why?!"

 

"I use to love Mark from westlife and when I found out he was gay I cried hahaha"

 

I don't think some young girls have the capacity to take a thing like the popstar they fancy being gay on board tbh, which is often why gay artists sell better to older audiences. Will Young and to bring it back on topic Joe being examples of that.

Was just looking on Twitter and saw a few interesting comments after the Westlife special. Here are just some of them, horrifying stuff really...

 

"I used to drag my mother to Westlife concerts until Mark came out as gay."

 

"I remember scott used to say he was like Mark from westlife then he found out he was gay and denied he ever said it hahahah"

 

"Didn't even realise mark from westlife was gay! I'm such a muppet!...i always quite liked him too! :L"

 

"why did Mark (westlife) have to be gay? Why?!"

 

"I use to love Mark from westlife and when I found out he was gay I cried hahaha"

 

I don't think some young girls have the capacity to take a thing like the popstar they fancy being gay on board tbh, which is often why gay artists sell better to older audiences. Will Young and to bring it back on topic Joe being examples of that.

These aren't that bad in terms of comments though and none of them say they will stop liking him as a person or buying records with him on though?

 

On the face of it, you are right about the older audiences point though (in general of course) but I think times are changing.

Yeah but you can read between the lines, most people are more savvy than to come out with blatant homophobia in this day and age. One of them says she stopped going to Westife concerts, some guy stopped idolising Mark, one doesn't think she can fancy him now, and two others wish he wasn't gay. I was only looking to see if people agreed with me about Mark having a great voice and that comes up in the first two pages! I don't know if some of it is homophobia, it's more just preference in some cases. It's easier to fantasize about people with less barriers in the way. It's interesting to note that directly after Mark came out, Westlife turned from a boyband into a manband by releasing You raise me up, going for a more mature audience.

 

Do you think for instance tha Joe can aim his music at a young audience and be successful and what about Marcus, what type of demographic will he be aiming for? Perhaps Marcus can show Joe the way to make being a modern gay popstar work.

Was just looking on Twitter and saw a few interesting comments after the Westlife special. Here are just some of them, horrifying stuff really...

 

"I used to drag my mother to Westlife concerts until Mark came out as gay."

 

"I remember scott used to say he was like Mark from westlife then he found out he was gay and denied he ever said it hahahah"

 

"Didn't even realise mark from westlife was gay! I'm such a muppet!...i always quite liked him too! :L"

 

"why did Mark (westlife) have to be gay? Why?!"

 

"I use to love Mark from westlife and when I found out he was gay I cried hahaha"

 

I don't think some young girls have the capacity to take a thing like the popstar they fancy being gay on board tbh, which is often why gay artists sell better to older audiences. Will Young and to bring it back on topic Joe being examples of that.

 

I thnk you raise a good point but I think you are generalising. Certainly from my experience, my teenage son & 23rd year old daughter are much more tolerant and open minded than my own mother. I think Will's audience is older mainly because he produces in the main sophistocated adult pop. Young people only want instant catchy tunes with little substance behind them and is why Will has continued to be a long term successful album artist even though he's struggled for commercial airplay.

Edited December 19, 201113 yr by truly talented