The only other point to explain Kylie's low placing is that it is too expensive, cheapest is £11.99 on Amazon, upto £19.99 in HMV. Can't have helped and massive discounting will be too late to save it as most retailers won't bother to stock it, plusany hype has evaporated.

to be fair, The Saturdays are doing relatively well in sales and the album will probably sell 80-100k, something which would've been considered as semi-successful if it had been released earlier and got a top ten peak.

Edited December 5, 201114 yr by SKOB

Chart descrepencies:

 

Some people refer to the singles chart as Top 40 some to Top 75 and some to top 100

Just the stupid BBC uses Top 40 (god knows why)

 

The OCC official chart published is Top 100 and it's been that way since downloads were included.

 

The chart is actually Top 200 but positions 101-200 are not published officially.

Positions 101-200 are only published as last week positions so as to give the correct number of weeks on chart.

 

It means that if a single makes the Top 100 it is classed as a hit no matter how minor.

"The OCC official chart published is Top 100 and it's been that way since downloads were included."

 

has this ever been confirmed?

"The OCC official chart published is Top 100 and it's been that way since downloads were included."

 

has this ever been confirmed?

 

Well, it's on the Official Charts Company's website. I don't see why the Official Charts Company would post charts that aren't 'official' :P

Edited December 5, 201114 yr by Bré

The established official chart is a top 75. This is what MW publish, what is still used for the purpose of chart books/records and all that is allowed to be reproduced without prosecution.

 

While the OCC list the top 100 on their own website as has already been mentioned a top200 exists which is also not freely available but while based on official sales and derived from the OCC neither are considered official in established chart terms.

 

It's a slightly odd situation since the OCC started the publishing the full top100 on their website but that's the way it is. Maybe it'll change some day

101-200 are obviously an 'extension' to the chart but if a company called the Official Charts Company posts a chart on its website then it IS official. It even says 'Official UK Singles/Albums Top 100' at the top of the page. Why would they freely tell us the positions 76-100 and then prosecute people who repost it? That makes no sense at all.

 

I don't see the argument 'Music Week only uses the top 75 so only the top 75 is official'. Is Music Week suddenly a higher power than the OCC in what's considered official?

Edited December 5, 201114 yr by Bré

'Christmas classic' positions at this point last year (and change to this year):

 

22 Mariah Carey - All I Want For Christmas Is You (-5)

27 The Pogues feat. Kirsty MacColl - Fairytale Of New York (+4)

52 Wizzard - I Wish It Could Be Christmas Everyday (-6)

57 Wham! - Last Christmas (+2)

59 Slade - Merry Xmas Everybody (-4)

62 Band Aid - Do They Know It's Christmas? (=)

74 Shakin' Stevens - Merry Christmas Everyone (+2)

 

Pretty level overall then, with three of them actually higher this year (Driving Home For Christmas was also not top 100 at this point last year so that's registering a year-on-year gain too, but that's being helped by appearing in an ad).

101-200 are obviously an 'extension' to the chart but if a company called the Official Charts Company posts a chart on its website then it IS official. It even says 'Official UK Singles/Albums Top 100' at the top of the page. Why would they freely tell us the positions 76-100 and then prosecute people who repost it? That makes no sense at all.

 

I don't see the argument 'Music Week only uses the top 75 so only the top 75 is official'. Is Music Week suddenly a higher power than the OCC in what's considered official?

The top 200 is also official Bre. And the beyond top 75 rule is created by the OCC (and their predecessors) not Music Week. It hasn't been changed and since widespread convention still only includes top75 (e.g. websites such as polyhex, acharts, official chart books which are OCC branded and sanctioned) the top75 is still the officially considered chart. Anything beyond that is as you say an "extension", but of course sales positions are all official to the number "x". You seem to be missing the point. The "officialness" is not up for debate here, only the validity (regarding chart records etc.)

The top 200 is also official Bre. And the beyond top 75 rule is created by the OCC (and their predecessors) not Music Week. It hasn't been changed and since widespread convention still only includes top75 (e.g. websites such as polyhex, acharts, official chart books which are OCC branded and sanctioned) the top75 is still the officially considered chart. Anything beyond that is as you say an "extension", but of course sales positions are all official to the number "x". You seem to be missing the point. The "officialness" is not up for debate here, only the validity (regarding chart records etc.)

 

Why are the OCC posting 'invalid' charts on their website then?

Edited December 6, 201114 yr by Bré

The top 200 is also official Bre. And the beyond top 75 rule is created by the OCC (and their predecessors) not Music Week. It hasn't been changed and since widespread convention still only includes top75 (e.g. websites such as polyhex, acharts, official chart books which are OCC branded and sanctioned) the top75 is still the officially considered chart. Anything beyond that is as you say an "extension", but of course sales positions are all official to the number "x". You seem to be missing the point. The "officialness" is not up for debate here, only the validity (regarding chart records etc.)

I've only popped into the thread now and not read most of this discussion, but I agree with this post - because it's the truth and to not agree with it would be baffling. Everyone knows the OCC compiles and publishes a full Top 200 chart but for the purposes of chart records and chart placings in general, everyone also knows to use the Top 75. I don't see the point of anyone arguing against that because it's been that way for years.

Context -

 

N-Dubz is a Greatest Hits album (apparently, even though they've only had five hit singles - Number 1, I Need You, Playing With Fire, We Dance On, Best Behaviour) without a single promoting it or any buzz at all.

 

Number 1 was actually a Tinchy Stryder track they guested on