I have tried, but I honestly can't find a tune in Run The World (Girls), just Beyonce shouting over Pon De Floor really :( - its appeal was beyond me, whereas I could see it in Swagger Jagger and Don't Wanna Go Home

Well if you're saying that 'Swagger Jagger' and 'Don't Wanna Go Home' are better than RTW(G), I don't think I can value your opinion. :P

both of those are meh to me, but RTW(G) is just noise. nothing but grating noise. if there was any song to prove that beyonce is poor, it's that.

funny that you mention SJ there because it's pretty similar with it's noisy production and using really obvious samples. :P

"Don't Wanna Go Home" is hardly THAT bad. It's quite difficult for such a generic song to be plumbing the depths of "The Millennium Prayer" and the like, it's nowhere as near as bad as rot like "Kiss The Stars" for me either. It sounds great when you're drunk, which I can't say for KTS.

I have tried, but I honestly can't find a tune in Run The World (Girls), just Beyonce shouting over Pon De Floor really :( - its appeal was beyond me, whereas I could see it in Swagger Jagger and Don't Wanna Go Home

 

The tune in Run the World is in the same place as it is in Pon de Floor. :lol:

 

I don't think Don't Wanna Go Home can appeal to anybody. Nobody likes it, in real life or on the Internet. I can't believe it got to #1. It's so embarrassing. :lol: I think people were just like "Whatcha Say was good, so his new song probably is too" tbh.

The tune in Run the World is in the same place as it is in Pon de Floor. :lol:

 

I don't think Don't Wanna Go Home can appeal to anybody. Nobody likes it, in real life or on the Internet. I can't believe it got to #1. It's so embarrassing. :lol: I think people were just like "Whatcha Say was good, so his new song probably is too" tbh.

 

UK number 1 and finishing in the top 50 of the year =/= 'Nobody likes it', I agree that its bad and a pretty embarassing number 1 - its chart run pretty much speaks for itself, but the appeal is very clearly there to those that like that sort of thing....

Edited February 12, 201213 yr by C.W

I think people go over the top with DWGH, sure it wasn't great, but I don't think there was anything particularly offensive about it. It is certainly better than Run The World and Swagger Jagger.

 

'Run the World (Girls)' was musically creative, unique, daring, experimental and a new side of Beyonce. What were DWGH and SJ? The former was a cookie-cutter generic pop song that lacked any identity while the latter was a cringeworthy attempt at appearing cool and bang on trend but instead came across as desperate and ridiculous.

 

The fact that there are fans of RTW out there proves that it isn't noise or whatever. ;)

'Run the World (Girls)' was musically creative, unique, daring, experimental and a new side of Beyonce. What were DWGH and SJ? The former was a cookie-cutter generic pop song that lacked any identity while the latter was a cringeworthy attempt at appearing cool and bang on trend but instead came across as desperate and ridiculous.

 

The fact that there are fans of RTW out there proves that it isn't noise or whatever. ;)

I wouldn't say that plastering shouty vocals over 'pon de floor' is very creative. :P

I wouldn't say that plastering shouty vocals over 'pon de floor' is very creative. :P

 

Do you not think Pon de Floor itself is creative? You can't deny how unique it is, and how much it stood out from everything those other female artists were releasing at the time.

Do you not think Pon de Floor itself is creative? You can't deny how unique it is, and how much it stood out from everything those other female artists were releasing at the time.

if you mean 'run the world (girls)' then not really. it's not unique among the songs which also used painfully obvious samples which the song relys on, like 'swagger jagger' and 'don't wanna go home'.

if you mean 'run the world (girls)' then not really. it's not unique among the songs which also used painfully obvious samples which the song relys on, like 'swagger jagger' and 'don't wanna go home'.

 

I agree that they way they sampled the song wasn't very creative, as it was essentially just Beyonce singing over the original I think, but in terms of the song as a whole, surely it is very unique? If Pon de Floor was never released, but Beyonce still got the instrumental to use for her album, so the first time we ever heard the beat was on the finished version of Run the World, you wouldn't have thought it was unique?

 

Sorry if I'm not making any sense here btw. :lol:

'Pon de Floor' is brilliant, and I quite like Beyonce's version - BUT: I can easily say how the record label tried to milk up the success of 'Single Ladies' with the help of that song release. SL and RTW are on the same vein, lyrically, instrumentally and even vocally. There is barely anything creative in 'Run the World'.

'Pon de Floor' is brilliant, and I quite like Beyonce's version - BUT: I can easily say how the record label tried to milk up the success of 'Single Ladies' with the help of that song release. SL and RTW are on the same vein, lyrically, instrumentally and even vocally. There is barely anything creative in 'Run the World'.

 

The instrumental of Run the World is very creative imo. Just because we all knew the instrumental before, it doesn't make it not creative. If we knew the instrumental of Single Ladies before Beyonce's version came out, it wouldn't have made the song not creative, because the song is the same either way. Most chart songs are made with the instrumentals coming first and the artist putting their vocals on it afterwards, just we usually don't hear the instrumentals before they get the vocals on them.

 

I agree that it's very similar to Single Ladies. Both have the very strange instrumentals with loads of weird drum sounds and clapping and weird synths and so on (which I LOVE tbh), and both have the female empowerment themes. I think since Single Ladies completely BLEW UP in such a big way, and became an instant ladies anthem, Beyonce probably wanted to do it again.

 

Single Ladies though, I think we have to bear in mind that in 2008 radio and the music-buying public were more tolerant to rhythmn-based songs without a tune, whilst now they're not (see: the public reception to Stupid Hoe, and the complete lack of any song without a strong melody in the charts now), and also, whilst I think SL is a fantastic song, it got very "lucky". The fact that it became a bit of an online sensation, getting parodied seemingly EVERYWHERE, appearing on all sorts of TV shows, everybody was talking about the song. Whilst Beyonce can re-create the song itself, she'll never be able to re-create that sort of promotion, because that was out of her control tbh.

 

I'm sure other similar-ish songs from that time period, like Boom Boom Pow, Blah Blah Blah, Carry Out, etc. would flop now aswell. People just don't seem to like a song which doesn't have continuous synths going through them anymore.

Edited February 13, 201213 yr by Eric_Blob

I don't think Don't Wanna Go Home can appeal to anybody. Nobody likes it, in real life or on the Internet. I can't believe it got to #1. It's so embarrassing. :lol: I think people were just like "Whatcha Say was good, so his new song probably is too" tbh.

 

Bit of a generalisation, isn't it? And the last section doesn't make any sense given it was a held-back release that spent nearly three months in the top 75.

The fact it was a song before is the exact reason it's not creative. It's not even a ripoff, it's exactly the same. Absolutely zero creativity involved at all. Run The Word (Girls) is an insult to Pon De Floor and I will never understand why Major Lazer let her do it.

 

The instrumental itself is creative, but the instrumental is Pon De Floor.

 

23. Wherever You Will Go - Charlene Soraia -_- God damn you DOI.

Edited February 13, 201213 yr by Bré

I'm sure other similar-ish songs from that time period, like Boom Boom Pow, Blah Blah Blah, Carry Out, etc. would flop now aswell. People just don't seem to like a song which doesn't have continuous synths going through them anymore.

 

Because "Somebody That I Used To Know" has so many synths!

Run The World is an odd one. I wouldn't really call it creative as it's really not that difficult to shout the same thing over and over on top of a sample but it was still quite different for Bey. It might have had the same "there isn't much of a melody here, is there?" thing going on that Single Ladies had but they're still quite different. It likely was Bey trying to copy that moment but whatever. It was never going to work anyway. I agree with Eric that Single Ladies got lucky. If it had Bey's usual basic videos it wouldn't have done half as well.

What is the Single Ladies video if not 'basic'? :lol:

Because "Somebody That I Used To Know" has so many synths!

 

Na, that fits into the "NuBoring" thing that is the only alternative to synthy club stuff right now. I love how extreme the public's taste is right now. It's either MASSIVE CLUB STOMPERS or female piano ballads/random male indie stuff.

'Pon de Floor' is brilliant, and I quite like Beyonce's version - BUT: I can easily say how the record label tried to milk up the success of 'Single Ladies' with the help of that song release. SL and RTW are on the same vein, lyrically, instrumentally and even vocally. There is barely anything creative in 'Run the World'.

 

What? You can't really be cynical about RTW being lyrically similar to SL. If she was ripping off SL, then she was also ripping off all her other female-empowerment anthems 'Independent Women', 'Girl', 'Irreplaceable' etc. Female-empowerment is just what Beyonce is about. There is no rehashing of past successes there.

 

Vocally, I don't see a comparison other than it being Beyonce who is singing. :lol: And instrumentally, they are clearly different. Just because they have a vague retro, military, upbeat sound it doesn't mean Beyonce was trying to recreate SL. All of her previous lead singles have that sort of sound - 'Crazy In Love', 'Deja Vu', 'Single Ladies'.

 

I honestly can't see your point. Compared with the general pop music released last year, 'Run the World' is definitely creative. There was no jumping on the bandwagon involved (whereas there was in Britney's, J.Lo's, The Saturday's and Jason DeRulo's cases) which is one of the main reasons why it is brilliant - no electro-pop in the song other than the sample (but the main song is tribal sounding) and no Adele/Birdy/Charlene Soraia style balladry.

 

What other top 20 hits last year were tribal sounding? Exactly. ^_^

Because "Somebody That I Used To Know" has so many synths!

 

And have you not seen the legions of people rejoicing about how we've FINALLY got something "different" being a chart hit? :lol:

 

Boom Boom Pow and Blah Blah Blah have more synths than Somebody That I Used to Know in, but they've got large sections of their beats which are very minimal. Like quite sparse and empty. It sounds so good, but the public just don't seem to be here for that anymore.

 

I honestly can't see your point. Compared with the general pop music released last year, 'Run the World' is definitely creative. There was no jumping on the bandwagon involved (whereas there was in Britney's, J.Lo's, The Saturday's and Jason DeRulo's cases) which is one of the main reasons why it is brilliant - no electro-pop in the song other than the sample (but the main song is tribal sounding) and no Adele/Birdy/Charlene Soraia style balladry.

 

I agree with this. Beyonce could've easily released safe songs like Sweet Dreams, Telephone, Radio, and had bigger chart hits. Run the World was so different to all the other songs imo.

Edited February 13, 201213 yr by Eric_Blob