I think for official purposes #4 on Bubbling Under is the same as being '#104 on the Hot 100' (for example for some songs that peak on Bubbling Under, their peak is listed as that plus 100 on Wikipedia, not that that's an official source of course). You could similarly say that the #100 is not really #100 because recurrents below the top 50 are excluded.

It's why Nikki Williams (which you guys talk about a lot :lol: ) is never going to enter the Hot 100, because there are songs ahead of her on points which ultimately re-enter the lower echelons of the Hot 100 - eg, Taylor Swift's "Red" (RE at #100), Lana Del Ray "Young & Beautiful" (RE at #95)

 

That is why IMO #1 on bubbling under is not #101 on Hot 100.

 

Recurrents can only re-enter the Top 50, but that's rare (usually a death).

 

 

 

Nikki Williams is slumping down now on airplay and on iTunes, so yeah she'll never make it...

99 OUT Ciara featuring Nicki Minaj - I'm Out

How fitting :P

I don't understand why "My Songs Know What You Did In The Dark" and "Wagon Wheel" have dropped out. They're still in iTunes' Top 50.

^They both went recurrent this week

 

Hot 100 Recurrents

 

1 1 18 Gangnam Style PSY

2 New 1 My Songs Know What You Did In The Dark (Light Em Up) Fall Out Boy

3 New 1 Wagon Wheel Darius Rucker

^They both went recurrent this week

What does mean recurrent ?

 

What does mean recurrent ?

I think they have a rule that says when you spent 25+ weeks on the chart and you fall out of the top 50, you leave the chart

Hope that makes any sense

(Not sure if that's what Jahg meant though)

Edited August 19, 201311 yr by *Tim

You're right, Tim, except it's 20 weeks ^_^

Not falling out the top 50 but that the song is not gaining in points. If the song drops 49-51 but is gaining, it'll chart.

 

This rule is meant to prevent songs that are slowly fading for hovering around for ages (which GS would do) because Hot 100 is primarily a hit chart.

Edited August 20, 201311 yr by SKOB

You're right, Tim, except it's 20 weeks ^_^

I already thought 25 was too few :P

 

So it's a combination of it falling out of the top 59 with 20+ weeks and it declining in points?

 

And :o at Passenger charting. Possibly coming for a Gotye type of hit?

Edited August 20, 201311 yr by *Tim

So it's a combination of it falling out of the top 50 with 20+ weeks and it declining in points?

 

Yes, I think that's correct. Then, a song can re-enter if it gets enough points to chart in top 50. Awolnation's Sail and Muse's Madness are latest examples of that.

Edited August 20, 201311 yr by SKOB

Sail actually re-entered the Hot 100 outside the top 50. Billboard made a special exception for it.

Edited August 20, 201311 yr by Eric_Blob

Sail actually re-entered the Hot 100 outside the top 50. Billboard made a special exception for it.

What was this exception?

 

Thanks guys for expleining the recurrents. I wasn't really aware of that either :)

The U.S chart is compiled so stupidly. I STILL don't understand why the date a number one is revealed is like 2 and a half weeks into the future?:S

Sail actually re-entered the Hot 100 outside the top 50. Billboard made a special exception for it.

What was this exception?

No exception was made for AWOLNATION, as their initial chart run in 2011/2012 was outside the Top 50.

 

Recurrent rule only comes into play when a song enters the Top 50.

 

 

 

The U.S chart is compiled so stupidly. I STILL don't understand why the date a number one is revealed is like 2 and a half weeks into the future?:S

I'll explain to the best of my ability :magic:

That date is associated with the issue of Billboard magazine that it's #1 in, because Billboard was primarily a magazine when they started doing the charts, and it took time to print/publish the issue and send it across the country etc. etc. Now magazines are outdated etc. and the charts are online well before they make it to newsstands, so they could modify the date but it would cause some overlap.

Just ignore the dates they give you and use your own calendar...that's what I do :P

Edited August 21, 201311 yr by JordanFM

In the UK as well the chart revealed this coming Sunday is NEXT week's chart, if I'm not mistaken?

In the UK as well the chart revealed this coming Sunday is NEXT week's chart, if I'm not mistaken?

 

The date of the chart in the UK is the last day that the chart is relevant (i.e. the day before the next chart is announced). Hence being a week 'ending' date.

No exception was made for AWOLNATION, as their initial chart run in 2011/2012 was outside the Top 50.

 

Recurrent rule only comes into play when a song enters the Top 50.

 

No, it spent 20 weeks in the chart in 2011/2012 outside the top 50, so went recurrent. Then re-entered in 2013 outside the top 50. Billboard said in one of their articles that they made an exception for the song, letting it re-enter even though it wasn't back in the top 50. I'll try and find the article if I can.

 

If songs that never peaked in the top 50 don't have to follow the "20 weeks" rule, then Sail itself wouldn't have gone recurrent in the first place.

Edited August 21, 201311 yr by Eric_Blob

I think Billboard made the exception for AWOLNATION because their airplay was only just starting to pick up then (might be wrong about that).

 

I appreciate the existence of the recurrent rule as a chart observer as it means at least the lower half of the chart has some movement and some new songs in it but needless to say I'm against the principle of disqualifying songs from a popularity chart for being too old :P