Hi guys! I was wondering what date awaits LFTW on your behalf considering it's predictions have varied from person to person, so I made this poll to see how you guys think it'll go in the end?

1-2 weeks top 40 (consecutively)

4-7 weeks top 100 (consecutively)

Top 40 after 5th single

5-10 weeks top 100 (non-consecutively)

50k+ total sales

Silver certification if it's lucky

I enjoy the optimism that it will sell at least 50k and that it will sell enough to be certified. :P

 

My choices are almost the same as Joseph's, but I went with 3-4 consecutive weeks Top 100 (I think it'll do 4, with its 5th week perhaps just being outside of the Top 100).

I think 100k total with a gold!

- Weeks in Top 40? (Consecutive) : 1-2 weeks

- Weeks in Top 100? (Consecutive) : I think I voted 7-14 weeks as I think it can do 7 or 8 weeks in the top 100 (the last week being like #99 or #100). I like to believe it may quit the top 40 really quickly (in two weeks basically), but it will actually hang in to the top 100 for two months.

- It's boost after 5h Single release : I voted Top 20 only because in my head they will release Not Giving Up with promotion similar to Disco Love which would put the album briefly in the top 20 (or 30 maybe...) for a short time and it will have a huge drop after that.

- Weeks in top 100 (non-consecutive) : I voted 5-10 weeks, I think ha! 10 weeks sounds reasonable as it may gets a boost somehow sometimes.

- Total sales? 100, 000 + but that's way too much, I should have voted for 50, 000+.

- Certification? : Silver

If they don't release any more singles I'd say 40-50k. If they only release Not Giving Up I'd say 90-100k. If they release Not Giving Up and another single I'd say 120-130k. Won't do much more than that, unless both singles absolutely smash.

Edited October 21, 201311 yr by LoveKiller

Its no34 midweek. Big drop considering albums aren't selling well at the moment and it sold less than 10k in its first week. I can't see it selling 100k. I think they'll do a greatest hits next.

total sales at the end: 25.000

People need to stop with the Greatest Hits thing. Not once have they alluded to having any sort of desire to release a Greatest Hits. Besides, they recently confirmed that they'll promote LFTW, tour, and then head right back to the studio to record their next album.

As much as it would work, I agree. Not only do they not have enough singles to do it (2 singles from headlines and worsshaker? I mean, come on) but it's not necessary at this point

As much as it would work, I agree. Not only do they not have enough singles to do it (2 singles from headlines and worsshaker? I mean, come on) but it's not necessary at this point

 

Well, I mean, they do have 16 singles now. Add one more as I really believe they will try to release one more single of LFTW. And a few "new tracks" to go with the Greatest Hits and you easily have enough tracks.

 

I just don't believe it will do anything for them. If they take 1 year and half to release this Greatest Hits, release 3 singles out of it instead of just the "usual" one, and then do NO promo at all during the release week, tell me how exactly will it do better than their studio albums? :unsure: If no one knows it's out, it won't shift itself like that. MESS ONE DAY, MESS FOREVER.

 

Look, I understand that they can book off promo slots by just moving their little finger. I know we shouldn't blame the management. If there's nothing, then there's nothing. I AGREE. But people need to realise that the problem is still the promo. Yes, maybe it's not the label's fault if they can book anything else, but it's still the lack of promo that equals to this current lack of sales. And well, the messy campaign too.

 

When they will get everything right, we will have another hit album in our hands.

I just think they don't really care about sales any more. As long as they get their top ten singles and album then I think they see that as an accomplishment. They don't really seem the type of girls to say to themselves "oh guys, the album is falling fast on iTunes, should we speak to management and see if they can book us on anything else or get some signings done?" do they? They're probably blissfully unaware of how badly the album is doing and even if they know that it's down to #34 in the midweeks, they probably don't give a shit.

 

The most frustrating thing is the lack of post album singles. Not Giving Up probably wouldn't do anything for album sales (well, it might a bit) but at least it'd get them that crucial airport support and be a decent sized hit that would set them up well for their next era.

I still believe that a Greatest Hits would have far more selling power than a studio album, which clearly just isn't an appealing prospect to the buying public.

 

Even Will Young's second compilation album, which has no new tracks and has had no promo whatsoever, is higher in the midweeks. I think that says quite a lot about how The Saturdays are doing this week.

 

"When they will get everything right, we will have another hit album in our hands." - if they couldn't get it right with 'Wordshaker', 'On Your Radar' and now 'Living For The Weekend', over a period of 4 years (a significant length of time in the music industry), then I'm not sure what would change with yet another studio album. It's just wishful thinking at this stage.

I don't think it's the lack of appeal of a studio album PER SE, I mean Wordshaker was a flop, yes, but Headlines did very well in the end (200k+). It's just the fact that the music they are currently making is not the sort of stuff that's going to make people go 'oh, I want to check out the album' or 'Oh, I have to hear a full album of this'. That's the trade off they've made for more singles success. It's a good move really because the profit margins with a single are much higher and if they keep churning out semi hit after semi hit they'll survive much longer than 2/3 flop singles and a semi hit album.

 

Anyway on topic, I struggle to see this topping 30k total sales.

I don't think it's the lack of appeal of a studio album PER SE, I mean Wordshaker was a flop, yes, but Headlines did very well in the end (200k+). It's just the fact that the music they are currently making is not the sort of stuff that's going to make people go 'oh, I want to check out the album' or 'Oh, I have to hear a full album of this'. That's the trade off they've made for more singles success. It's a good move really because the profit margins with a single are much higher and if they keep churning out semi hit after semi hit they'll survive much longer than 2/3 flop singles and a semi hit album.

 

Anyway on topic, I struggle to see this topping 30k total sales.

 

They make fantastic pop/dance music, they just choose to release the most bland and weak songs as singles. What About Us was the biggest hit of their career so they follow it up with a Girls Aloud type song full of name dropping, weird lyrics and rapping and then after that they release a disco song? I will never understand it. 30 Days as a single? Forever Is Over? Missing You? If This Is Love? They're wasting their career and not meeting any of their potential by releasing stuff like that. Imagine if they swapped those singles with Not Giving Up, Get Ready Get Set, One Shot and White Lies do you really think they'd still be in this awkward position?

 

They're becoming less "cool" with every release. Straight guys and radio loved What About Us. Gentleman was made for gays and females and was so un-radio friendly, then they release the campest song of their career after that. They need to have a bit of edge and fire. They could be a huge dance girl group (the only one out there at the moment) and build up a great relationship with Capital FM and get some male fans on board, but they don't have a clue how to market themselves.

How GOOD the songs are wasn't the point John was making, it was the TYPE of music they make. Whilst it's not a bad move in terms of getting decent singles success, those songs just don't sell albums.

 

Criticising their past single releases isn't gonna help either:

 

30 Days - got them another top 10 hit, and whilst it didn't sell LOADS in the long-run, it helped keep their name out there for a bit.

Forever Is Over - got a top 2 hit for them and got Wordshaker to debut top 10, and again, it didn't stick around for ages but it sold decently enough.

Missing You - #1 airplay hit, got Headlines! to debut in the top 3 and go on to sell 200k.

If This Is Love - kickstarted their whole goddamn career :lol: Who knows, if they'd picked a different lead single, things could be VERY different now and not necessarily for the better.

 

So I don't think those were bad choices at all.

I know I'm picking at what was a minor point within your post, Shadow, but I don't think 'If This Is Love' can be faulted as a release tbh. Against their overall back catalogue it may have been long forgotten by most, but it served its purpose at the time. It set them up nicely. If they'd gone hard with 'Up' as the debut, then I think they'd have floundered when choosing a different second single.

How GOOD the songs are wasn't the point John was making, it was the TYPE of music they make. Whilst it's not a bad move in terms of getting decent singles success, those songs just don't sell albums.

 

Criticising their past single releases isn't gonna help either:

 

30 Days - got them another top 10 hit, and whilst it didn't sell LOADS in the long-run, it helped keep their name out there for a bit.

Forever Is Over - got a top 2 hit for them and got Wordshaker to debut top 10, and again, it didn't stick around for ages but it sold decently enough.

Missing You - #1 airplay hit, got Headlines! to debut in the top 3 and go on to sell 200k.

If This Is Love - kickstarted their whole goddamn career :lol: Who knows, if they'd picked a different lead single, things could be VERY different now and not necessarily for the better.

 

So I don't think those were bad choices at all.

 

 

I know I'm picking at what was a minor point within your post, Shadow, but I don't think 'If This Is Love' can be faulted as a release tbh. Against their overall back catalogue it may have been long forgotten by most, but it served its purpose at the time. It set them up nicely. If they'd gone hard with 'Up' as the debut, then I think they'd have floundered when choosing a different second single.

 

This is all very true. There's no point in especially trying to downgrade (sorry) If This Is Love when that entire campaign was pretty well thought out and well produced a Platinum album that'll reach 400,000 sales in a couple of years time. (:lol:).

 

2 votes for 2x platinum :P

And about LFTW, the main reason to its drop is lack of promotion rather than quality if sings. No album promotion or often mentioned on tv. Frankie pregnant meant that they couldn't do cd signings which could've helped a lot. It may do an ellie goulding. Halcyon dropped drastically after it's peak, but she released so many singles, re released it and promoted her butt of with burn. They could just as well do that. The only problem is that their no ellie goulding.. They don't pressure their record company to keep promoting stuff