March 4, 201411 yr zIbGpSvtuGY Must be lovely being there, with guns and grenade launchers pointed at an unarmed you. U WANT PEACE IN UKRAINE, PUTIN? REALLY?!
March 6, 201411 yr Referendum is on 16th. No doubt everyone will vote / be pressured to vote for Crimea to be part of Russia (or, as always, since Russia is involved, the vote will be rigged~ official results 5 billion people vote YES and 5k NO~~). And what next?! OH MAH GAHD WE'RE NOW RUSSIA AND WE [ETHNIC RUSSIANS] AREN'T BE DISCRIMINATED AGAINST ANYMO!!1 But what about UKRANIANS who live there? What about ways to mainland Russia? What about WHOLE DAMN LIFE there? OH WAIT it CAN be done overnight okay i was just worried for a second they won't be able to fix all this shit Putin has done before 2020. So f***ed up BEYOND BELIEF
March 6, 201411 yr :D The circus continues it seems, yes. I wish again that there would be no blood, that's the most important issue. Let's wait for 16th and see what is going to happen then. I don't really know what's in Putin's mind right now.
March 6, 201411 yr I still think that, if Crimea chooses to join Russia in a FAIR referendum (and I admit, it's going to be much easier said than done to make sure it's fair), then that's absolutely justified. Like I said earlier in the thread, I do personally find it strange anyone would choose to live in Putin's Russia, but who am I to tell people they're not allowed to do it? The grey area is if Russia tries to invade other eastern parts of Ukraine, because there, even though there's apparently still significant Russian populations, by all accounts it's not quite the universal consensus like it is in Crimea. Only if Russia invades the western part of Ukraine, where it seems beyond doubt that the majority support the new government (despite the fact that new government has neo-Nazis and anti-Semites at the heart of it, something the Western media has barely been reporting), would I think the Russian government has definitively 100% crossed the line. Personally, I wouldn't want to live under either government.
March 6, 201411 yr I still think that, if Crimea chooses to join Russia in a FAIR referendum (and I admit, it's going to be much easier said than done to make sure it's fair), then that's absolutely justified. Like I said earlier in the thread, I do personally find it strange anyone would choose to live in Putin's Russia, but who am I to tell people they're not allowed to do it? The grey area is if Russia tries to invade other eastern parts of Ukraine, because there, even though there's apparently still significant Russian populations, by all accounts it's not quite the universal consensus like it is in Crimea. Only if Russia invades the western part of Ukraine, where it seems beyond doubt that the majority support the new government (despite the fact that new government has neo-Nazis and anti-Semites at the heart of it, something the Western media has barely been reporting), would I think the Russian government has definitively 100% crossed the line. Personally, I wouldn't want to live under either government. Let me guess, you've been watching/reading RT a bit too much? :D
March 6, 201411 yr Let me guess, you've been watching/reading RT a bit too much? :D Nope, this Channel 4 News article: In the new Ukrainian government politicians linked to the far-right have taken posts from deputy prime minister to head of defence. We profile the nationalists filling the power vacuum. The man facing down Putin's aggression as secretary of the Ukrainian National Security and Defence Council is Andriy Parubiy. He oversees national security for the nation having previously served as security commandant during the anti-government protests in Kiev. Parubiy was the founder of the Social National Party of Ukraine, a fascist party styled on Hitler's Nazis, with membership restricted to ethnic Ukrainians. The Social National Party would go on to become Svoboda, the far-right nationalist party whose leader Oleh Tyahnybok was one of the three most high profile leaders of the Euromaidan protests - negotiating directly with the Yanukovych regime. Overseeing the armed forces alongside Parubiy as the Deputy Secretary of National Security is Dmytro Yarosh, the leader of the Right Sector - a group of hardline nationalist streetfighters, who previously boasted they were ready for armed struggle to free Ukraine. Inside Right Sector was an alliance of hardline nationalist groups including Patriot of Ukraine and the paramilitary group UNA-UNSO, who have fought against Russian troops in Chechnya and Moldova. Their members paraded in balaclavas and wore uniforms bearing far-right insignia, including the wolfsangel. In 1989 he joined the moderate nationalist group People's Movement of Ukraine but from there went on to join the right wing Trizub organisation in 1994 and has been its leader since 2005, preaching and preparing for a Ukrainian "national revolution". He told Time magazine in a recent interview: "Russia has pursued a systematic, targeted policy of subjugation toward Ukraine...So of course we will prepare for a conflict with them". The new Deputy Prime Minister Oleksandr Sych is a member of the far-right Svoboda party, which the World Jewish Congress called on the EU to consider banning last year along with Greece's Golden Dawn. The party, which has long called for a "national revolution" in Ukraine, has endured a long march from relative obscurity in the early 90s. Their declaration that Ukraine is controlled by a "Muscovite-Jewish mafia" has raised fears for the safety of the country's Jewish population. Svoboda now controls the ecology and agricultural ministry with Andriy Mokhnyk, the deputy head of Svoboda, running ecology and Ihor Shvaika as agriculture minister. Associate professor at Lund University Pers Anders Rudling, an expert on Ukrainian extremists, told Channel 4 News that there are other ministers who are also closely in the orbit of Svoboda. "Two weeks ago I could never have predicted this. A neo-fascist party like Svoboda getting the deputy prime minister position is news in its own right. "There are seven ministers with links to the extreme right now. It began with Svoboda getting 10 per cent of the vote in the last election, it is certainly a concern in the long run." Mr Rudling warned that Europe should pay greater attention to the politics of the new regime, while warning that this in no way endorsed the actions of Russia. "It doesn't help Ukraine to be selective and ignore this problem. Russia is using this to legitimise their unjustified aggression, I am not backing up that aggression by speaking about the rise of Svoboda." The most important office seized by Svoboda is that of deputy prime minister, now occupied by Oleksandr Sych, whose position on abortion rights and comments about rape provoked an international outcry. He has been criticised for declaring: "Women should lead the kind of lifestyle to avoid the risk of rape, including one from drinking alcohol and being in controversial company". Svoboda member Oleh Makhnitsky is now acting prosecutor general. The initial actions of the interim government have included forcing making Ukrainian the only official language of the nation and making moves to remove a law which forbids "excusing the crimes of fascism". The anti-Russian far-right in Ukraine strongly associate themselves with the legacy of Stepan Bandera and the Ukrainian Insurgent Army. In 2010 Viktor Yushchenko made Bandera a “hero of Ukraine”, despite charges of Nazi collaboration and ethnic cleansing by the controversial figure. The massive gains by Svoboda come ahead of the European elections that are expected to see Hungary's Jobbik and the French National Front make large advances. However, Svoboda have been given the cold shoulder by their former European comrades with Jobbik calling for autonomy for the Hungarian minority regions in Ukraine and the BNP's Nick Griffin backing Putin. Smaller far-right groups from Scandanavia have confirmed they have been travelling to the region to offer support and learn from the "national revolution". http://www.channel4.com/news/svoboda-minis...nment-far-right Edited March 6, 201411 yr by Danny
March 6, 201411 yr So a few far-right or left or whatever dumbasses in the government... so basically you replaced one kind of inoperable tumor with another. Doubt they will do anything drastic now that the world's eyes is on them so there won't be any Hitler 2.0 any time soon (unless Putin wants the role~)
March 6, 201411 yr I'm not going to claim Ukraine's new powers too, they are almost as bad as Yanukovich from what I'm gathering. Not to say that there was an agreement between Ukraine and EU that Yanukovich was going to be the President until December - and the next day they shut him down from there with an illegal procedure of impeachment. And it's quite hypocrite to arrest the people who attack government in Eastern Ukraine when they did ALL THE SAME in Western part just two weeks ago and no those people are "heroes". I'm obviously happy that Yanukovich, typical Russian-type thief-in-law, has been fired - but don't get too optimistic about the new powers. Ukraine had so many hopes about Youschenko. I don't think the new Ukranian powers will lead the country to something good and shiny, but I would be happy to be proved wrong in, say, a year. And ANYONE who would rule the Ukraine would have hard times, as the country is bankrupt now. Edited March 6, 201411 yr by Arrs
March 12, 201411 yr Not about Ukraine but it's closely related. The Chief Editor of the biggest independent online news source - lenta.ru - is fired This is a statement where basically all the lenta.ru team is going too: http://lenta.ru/info/posts/statement/ The end is quite near. I'm going to Helsinki for the weekend and I don't think I want to go back.
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