It's called having a sense of humour.

 

 

Where was the humour in that?

 

 

Rob got it.

 

 

:lol:

 

 

No, it was just gratuitous abuse.

 

Can we all just give it a rest now without going off topic, thanks...

 

Easily Madonna but Rihanna has been insanely successful over the past few years and although I don't doubt she'll continue she doesn't really have the artistry of Madonna and hasn't had a cultural impact on Madge's level.

 

I agree Rihanna hasn't and won't ever have the artistic credibility that Madonna has (though then again, Madonna herself doesn't have the artistic credibility of many acts that have sold much less than her), but I still maintain it's possible that, commercially, Rihanna will overtake her. Longevity is obviously Madonna's biggest trump card, but even in saying that, realistically, she stopped being a top-tier sales juggernaut back in 2005/06, 20 years on from the start of her career - Rihanna is already nearly half the way to that, and I don't think it's totally impossible that she's got another 10 years left in her.

Yes play nicely folks!

 

It was more a question over formats and if we really can compare given the large contribution through collaborations that Rihanna has. Of course COULD have collaborated more and neither act could have predicted the sales environment they would be releasing singles in/ they would be the most successful in. So to what extent are "sales" the deciding factor, are the only non subjective standard to use?

Anyway Britney's the real queen!

Couldn't agree more!

I think people underestimate Rihanna's cultural impact. during her Loud era every other girl had red hair, I swear it got a little ridiculous in the end. Not to mention if you ever say the word umbrella to someone under 30 you'll get 'ella, ella, ella' back.

 

I also think Rihanna has a lot of credibility within the industry, the likes of Eminem and Coldplay were/are never going to work with the likes of Britney no matter how popular she was. I don't think there is an artist out there that wouldn't work with Rihanna on a record.

 

Also it is not like Madonna has had the last how ever many years to take advantage of download sales as well. Rihanna actually started her career when sales were dire and her 10 week #1 hasn't even passed 900k, so she hasn't always released in the high sales period.

I actually think there's a chance Rihanna might eventually be regarded as bigger in the UK. It's not even just singles sales, I think Rihanna's two biggest albums have sold about as much as Madonna's two biggest studio albums (although she hasn't had an album that's sold anywhere near as much as The Immaculate Collection, granted).

 

Rihanna hasn't had an album sell as much as "True Blue", so no.

Rihanna hasn't had an album sell as much as "True Blue", so no.

 

Loud is very close to 2 million (I think it should pass 2 million this year) that isn't far off True Blue.

Not a fan of Madonna lately but considering she's been consistently successful over so many decades, I don't think Rihanna can be compared to her.

 

There is no denying Rihanna has been leading the race for the last 10 years though, Madonna could nevaaa. :lol:

I think people underestimate Rihanna's cultural impact. during her Loud era every other girl had red hair, I swear it got a little ridiculous in the end.

 

That's because BOTH Rihanna and Cheryl went for red hair at the same time (Only girl/Promise this) :kink:

 

if you ever say the word umbrella to someone under 30 you'll get 'ella, ella, ella' back.

No you won't.

 

I also think Rihanna has a lot of credibility within the industry, the likes of Eminem and Coldplay were/are never going to work with the likes of Britney no matter how popular she was. I don't think there is an artist out there that wouldn't work with Rihanna on a record.

Being cool does not equate to being credible as an artist.

 

Also it is not like Madonna has had the last how ever many years to take advantage of download sales as well. Rihanna actually started her career when sales were dire and her 10 week #1 hasn't even passed 900k, so she hasn't always released in the high sales period.

Madonna went into the download era when she was dwindling. Rihanna is at her peak in the download era. You cannot fairly compare that.

I think people underestimate Rihanna's cultural impact. during her Loud era every other girl had red hair

 

Some girls in my college dyed their hair red at that time, but I think it could have also been because of Hayley Williams too.

 

As for downloads, Madonna's only really massive hit in the download era was 4 Minutes in 2008. I think songs like Like a Prayer probably trickle sell well today, but it's hard to say how Madonna's songs would have sold if they could do that at the time. For example in 2010 Love the Way You Lie and Only Girl sold much less than their totals today. They each got hundreds of thousands of sales in the years afterwards.

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The only thing Rihanna doesn't have yet is longevity. She has the single and album sales, the sold out stadium/arena tours, the high profile collabs with credible artists, cultural impact and to demean those things Rihanna has achieved is petty.

 

Of course it will take her time to be put into the same light as Madonna (mainly because of longevity) but she is obviously well on her way and for the most part eclipsing Madonna along the way. That is not to take anything away from Madonna her place in music history is set.

 

No female artist in their career has been where Rihanna is in every aspect 'only' 8 or 9 years into it.

 

The most consecutive years having a #1 by a female artist, the most million selling singles by a female artist, the most singles sold by a female artist. Once you add longevity to these sorts of stats it will be hard to deny Rihanna as the biggest female artist the UK has seen.

It's simple.

 

Will Madonna songs be remembered? - Yes

Will Rihanna songs be remembered? - No

 

If it's any consolation for Rihanna to even be the SECOND most successful female ever in the UK is an astonishing achievement considering how long she's been around for.

It's simple.

 

Will Madonna songs be remembered? - Yes

Will Rihanna songs be remembered? - No

 

I think it's slightly deluded to say Rihanna songs won't be remembered.

This calls for a Sporcle!

A what?

While not a Madonna fan there is no denying her impact and her career, Rihanna does not come close, Rihanna churns out record after record and seems to have very little input creativity wise, Madonna takes her time with releases and with the exception of her last album comes fresh and different. I would still rate Kylie above both.

Sophie Ellis-bextor. Sophie's achieved so much more in her career than rihanna has and that is a matter of fact. Rihanna is very basic.

 

 

Could explain both of your assertions, please?

 

While I would say that Madona is well ahead I can't see how SEB has achieved as much as even half what Rihanna has done.

While not a Madonna fan there is no denying her impact and her career, Rihanna does not come close, Rihanna churns out record after record and seems to have very little input creativity wise, Madonna takes her time with releases and with the exception of her last album comes fresh and different. I would still rate Kylie above both.

 

I would say Hard Candy was the height of unoriginality and stale.