you gotta admit it...

 

osamas lot really executed their mission perfectly, with deadly accuracy...

 

im certainly not condoning what they did, it was pure evil, but as a 'yank' killing operation it was devestating.

Absolutely, I am convinced that it was an inside job or at least there was some inside info given to Osama but it was carried out with precision

 

I know this is going to cost me a few votes in the Rate but I think that America had it coming, if they didn't meddle in the affairs of the middle east then they would not have got attacked, plain and simple

 

The death of 3000 innocents is a tragedy but the Americans have directly or indirectly killed 10 times that number in the last decade or so in the middle east

 

 

The 9/11 documentary was on Channel 4 just now, where the two French men filmed it all. This has to be one of the most powerful pieces of television ever.

you gotta admit it...

 

osamas lot really executed their mission perfectly, with deadly accuracy...

 

im certainly not condoning what they did, it was pure evil, but as a 'yank' killing operation it was devestating.

 

Problem magnified many many times over by the US response.

However, if the USA and UK left Iraq and Afganistan now,today, do we honestly believe all terrorism from islam fundamentalists would cease immediately. I would like to think so,but something tells me even if the USA stopped meddling in world affairs from now on, I don't believe we would all live in a more peacefull world.

However, if the USA and UK left Iraq and Afganistan now,today, do we honestly believe all terrorism from islam fundamentalists would cease immediately. I would like to think so,but something tells me even if the USA stopped meddling in world affairs from now on, I don't believe we would all live in a more peacefull world.

 

If the US stop meddling the world would become less war like immediately, would still take maybe 10+ years for fundamentalists to cease. Certain wouldn't stop immediately, but would over time.

3000+ people died on 9/11, 3000+ people died as a result of the Troubles in Northern Ireland that many Americans contributed to through raising funds for the IRA through Noraid..... Funny how those numbers seem to almost tally up innit....?

 

I'm with Ozzy, the US had it coming - Central/South America, Korea, Vietnam, The Middle East.... The list of America's crimes since the end of WW2 is almost endless....

There is a film coming out this month with Nicolas Cage based on the events of this, I've seen the trailer, I found it very moving, a powerful drama that will shock some viewers.

However, if the USA and UK left Iraq and Afganistan now,today, do we honestly believe all terrorism from islam fundamentalists would cease immediately. I would like to think so,but something tells me even if the USA stopped meddling in world affairs from now on, I don't believe we would all live in a more peacefull world.

 

 

you are right..

 

the notion that terrorism is worse now because of usa and us in iraq afghanistan etc is flawed... them minority nutters were out for trouble wether or not we are or arnt involved in the middle east.

 

9/11 was a direct act of war at a time where 'western' involvement in the middle east was low. now its more..

 

osamas lot knew what the response would be, and the support from muslim countries osamas lot would get by american retaliation.

 

tbh, america/the west were in a no win situation.

 

and maybe if there werent so many jews in us/uk politics then 'our' involvement in the middle east would be far less.

 

 

the notion that terrorism is worse now because of usa and us in iraq afghanistan etc is flawed... them minority nutters were out for trouble wether or not we are or arnt involved in the middle east.

 

9/11 was a direct act of war at a time where 'western' involvement in the middle east was low. now its more..

 

 

Not strictly true mate, the facts are Al Qaeda were formed as a direct consequence of the first US war against Iraq in 1991, when the US set up permanent bases in Islamic countries, as well as the encroachment of Western Multinationals and the oil companies. Bin Laden and others saw this as an insult, especially when US set up a base in Saudi Arabia - which is where Mecca is, the most holy site of the Islamic faith. So, really, what you term a 'low western involvement' really isn't, it may not have been 'invasion' as such, but it was seen as a subtle form of colonisation and Imperialism.. I mean, Christ, Bin Laden and the US were bloody allies, the CIA trained Bin Laden in Guerilla warfare and terrorist tactics to use against the Soviets in Afghanistan, people seem to forget this fact. So what turns an ally into an enemy..?

 

But of course the invasion of Iraq has just totally exacerbated matters now to the point where we have a situation similar to Northern Ireland after the Bloody Sunday incident where many young Irish Catholics who were not politicized became radicalised IRA members; only, this situation is a hell of a lot worse... And frankly, we really have no one to blame but ourselves, and of course Blair...

The USA had it coming but the wrong people were killed :( my cousin was killed in the Twin Tower

Not strictly true mate, the facts are Al Qaeda were formed as a direct consequence of the first US war against Iraq in 1991, when the US set up permanent bases in Islamic countries, as well as the encroachment of Western Multinationals and the oil companies. Bin Laden and others saw this as an insult, especially when US set up a base in Saudi Arabia - which is where Mecca is, the most holy site of the Islamic faith. So, really, what you term a 'low western involvement' really isn't, it may not have been 'invasion' as such, but it was seen as a subtle form of colonisation and Imperialism.. I mean, Christ, Bin Laden and the US were bloody allies, the CIA trained Bin Laden in Guerilla warfare and terrorist tactics to use against the Soviets in Afghanistan, people seem to forget this fact. So what turns an ally into an enemy..?

 

But of course the invasion of Iraq has just totally exacerbated matters now to the point where we have a situation similar to Northern Ireland after the Bloody Sunday incident where many young Irish Catholics who were not politicized became radicalised IRA members; only, this situation is a hell of a lot worse... And frankly, we really have no one to blame but ourselves, and of course Blair...

 

 

i think it was only a matter of time, either way, that a fundamentalist islamic group would start a war with the west.. and although im not a big fan of us foreign policy, not everything they have done has been wrong!!

 

if america hadnt invaded iraq, then it would be seen as a green light for more terrorist attacks, tbh, although the invasion was flawed, it was needed..... pity they didnt get un backing in full first.. and tbh, i dont realy blame them.

 

the problem here is that there is a massive clash of cultures, both fueled by their religion. and this is nothing new.... the 'west' has been fighting the 'east' since the 11th centuary... crusades anyone? it was bound to continue in some form and is inevitable to do so in the future...

 

you know, back in the 70's i never thought of russia as the 'enemy'... i was never convinced that they were a threat to world peace.... i always thought that the next big world war would come from either fuel (oil) or religion..

if america hadnt invaded iraq, then it would be seen as a green light for more terrorist attacks, tbh, although the invasion was flawed, it was needed..... pity they didnt get un backing in full first.. and tbh, i dont realy blame them.

 

If America hadn't invaded AFGHANISTAN it would have been a green light for more terrorists, because the Taliban there was admittedly protecting Al Qaeda members.

 

We invaded Iraq because Bush and Rumsfeld wanted more strategic land in the Middle East, better access to oil, and a more stable government that would support the War on Terror. But most of all, because they thought it'd be a walk in the goddamn park like the first Iraq war.

 

Three and a half years later Iraq is TEEMING with terrorists, the government is corrupt and incompetent, the citizens are in worst shape than ever before, the price of oil has skyrocketed, and the US has created yet another "cause" to inspire people to blow up our skyscrapers.

Edited September 3, 200618 yr by Consie

If America hadn't invaded AFGHANISTAN it would have been a green light for more terrorists, because the Taliban there was admittedly protecting Al Qaeda members.

 

We invaded Iraq because Bush and Rumsfeld wanted more strategic land in the Middle East, better access to oil, and a more stable government that would support the War on Terror. But most of all, because they thought it'd be a walk in the goddamn park like the first Iraq war.

 

Three and a half years later Iraq is TEEMING with terrorists, the government is corrupt and incompetent, the citizens are in worst shape than ever before, the price of oil has skyrocketed, and the US has created yet another "cause" to inspire people to blow up our skyscrapers.

 

Exactly, what the hell does Iraq have to do with Al Qaeda...? Nothing. Saddam was as much an enemy of Bin Laden's as anyone else was and he dealth with religious extremists in Iraq in an incredibly brutal manner (I mean, HELLO, the whole Iran/Iraq war in the 80s was that Saddam wanted to STOP the spread of the Iranian "Islamic Revolution" and he did so with US/UK's blessings...). Saddam was a secular, military ruler, rather like Pakistan's Musharraf, his power came from Military Authority, unlike the Clerics of Iran, which is a Religious authority...

 

It was NOT necessary to invade Iraq, in fact, quite the opposite, we fukked up ROYALLY and let in every two-bit nutter with a grudge when we removed Saddam...

i think it was only a matter of time, either way, that a fundamentalist islamic group would start a war with the west.. and although im not a big fan of us foreign policy, not everything they have done has been wrong!!

 

 

Well, name me one thing they actually did right then mate... Afghanistan was a fukk up, Iraq was a fukk up, the US/CIA has been involved with assassination plots against several heads of State, including Hugo Chavez of Venezuela who has FUKK ALL to do with Al Qaeda. The US dont like him because he's a Socialist and his country has a fukk-load of Oil (surprise, surprise..). Oh, and let's not forget about our 'new relations' with Libya.. Well, what's blowing up a passenger jet over a small Scottish village and killing hundreds of innocent people, as well as us and the US going on an illegal bombing raid over Tripoli in '86, between new friends, eh....? <_<

 

If we have enemies in that region now, it's because we made them...

 

 

 

If we have enemies in that region now, it's because we made them...

 

 

nahhh as long as we dont share religious beliefs there will allways be extremists who are doing 'gods' or 'allahs' work <_<

 

there was/is never going to be lasting peace between christianity and islam.

 

ok, peraps not militarily, but america to their credit are often the first in with aid after natural disasters, and help to re-build afterwards.

 

im not exactly pro-america, i just dont subscribe to the notion that everything america does is bad.

 

 

im not exactly pro-america, i just dont subscribe to the notion that everything america does is bad.

 

America does a hell of a lot more bad than good though mate, and I dont think that occasional disaster relief work and foreign aid (which the US Govt has been cutting back on since the 1980s...) can really make up for all the blood the US has on its hands directly through military interventions or indirectly through arms sales to oppressive regimes....

 

...Or indeed through its tacit refusal to cut carbons emissions which is a causal factor in many of these natural disasters in the first place...

 

Sorry mate, I really do believe that America is the "Great Satan" our Muslim friends believe them to be and the sooner the UK and the rest of Europe cuts off all military and diplomatic ties with these idiots in Washington and goes its own path, the better....

 

The British used to be respected by the Arabs in the Middle East, but now we're just seen as the puppets of George Bush. Even the French generate more respect these days, after all, it was them who were instrumental in the ceasefire agreement between Hezbollah and Israel... 20 or 30 years ago, it would've been us in there doing the deal, not now, not with Tony fukkin' B-Liar, Dubya's fukkin' POODLE in charge of the country, he has NO credibility, NO respect and commands NO authority whatsoever....

America does a hell of a lot more bad than good though mate, and I dont think that occasional disaster relief work and foreign aid (which the US Govt has been cutting back on since the 1980s...) can really make up for all the blood the US has on its hands directly through military interventions or indirectly through arms sales to oppressive regimes....

 

you know you can buy a book thats an indepth report to why all the world f*cked up, mostly being America's fault in the first place for funding a lot of these regimes. my mate had it, but can remember what its called.

We talked about this in History and I must say that my views changed completly about what happened. You really have to think about what happened BEFORE 9/11

We talked about this in History and I must say that my views changed completly about what happened. You really have to think about what happened BEFORE 9/11

 

I did history gcse, I'm doing it for a-level too. It's quite hard, but really interesting. ^_^