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Opening odds from RontBet!

15/1 Singerpurear ▓ Ariana & The Rose 'In Your Bed'

 

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Opening odds from RontBet!

 

75/1 Tartford ▓ White Lies 'First Time Caller'

 

This makes me sad :(

 

In fact, most of my faves are near the bottom of the odds :lol:

a bit light on these this time! anymore? x

I will try and finish listening to semi 1 and get some odds up before this closes hopefully. We need some 'cray' odds.

I'll try and get semi 2 listened to too and get some together for Monday.

i would prefer this contest to be odds free as i believe it subliminally influences people's decisions and mindsets.

 

also all betting is banned in farc and therefore my co-host faces a lengthy spell working in the munitions

i would prefer this contest to be odds free as i believe it subliminally influences people's decisions and mindsets.

This. I honestly believe this and listening to each other's potentials really affects the outcomes of these things.

This. I honestly believe this and listening to each other's potentials really affects the outcomes of these things.

I kind of agree too as listening to the potentials means that the entry has an advantage of at least one additional listen. Also, if the entry is the potential that you wanted the poster to pick, then it's already got some support from you.

 

I also agree about the odds as if there are certain entries that are predicted to be big winners, people might be persuaded to listen to them a few more times to understand the hype than ones that are lower down. Also, people might think they're wasting points on any songs that are at the bottom of every set of odds. I honestly don't think that people may do this purposively, it just may be subconsciously affecting people. I know that a couple of times before, I listened a lot more to a couple of the bigger entries that I really didn't get the hype for leading to me giving points to them as after a number of listens, I 'got' them. If I'd given the other songs more of a chance as well, I might not have voted for the 'bigger' ones.

I understand exactly what y'all are saying and I do agree with it to some extent.

 

Odds don't influence myself when voting - a lot of songs that are usually predicted to do well usually flop (poor Lune, Tiesto and Iida) :(

I also agree about the odds as if there are certain entries that are predicted to be big winners, people might be persuaded to listen to them a few more times to understand the hype than ones that are lower down. Also, people might think they're wasting points on any songs that are at the bottom of every set of odds. I honestly don't think that people may do this purposively, it just may be subconsciously affecting people. I know that a couple of times before, I listened a lot more to a couple of the bigger entries that I really didn't get the hype for leading to me giving points to them as after a number of listens, I 'got' them. If I'd given the other songs more of a chance as well, I might not have voted for the 'bigger' ones.

I'm going to stick my hand up and say I've done this :lol: I didn't get the 'Station' hype so listened to it a few more times, gave some points in the semi. Didn't give it any points in the final though.

I kind of agree too as listening to the potentials means that the entry has an advantage of at least one additional listen. Also, if the entry is the potential that you wanted the poster to pick, then it's already got some support from you.

 

I also agree about the odds as if there are certain entries that are predicted to be big winners, people might be persuaded to listen to them a few more times to understand the hype than ones that are lower down. Also, people might think they're wasting points on any songs that are at the bottom of every set of odds. I honestly don't think that people may do this purposively, it just may be subconsciously affecting people. I know that a couple of times before, I listened a lot more to a couple of the bigger entries that I really didn't get the hype for leading to me giving points to them as after a number of listens, I 'got' them. If I'd given the other songs more of a chance as well, I might not have voted for the 'bigger' ones.

 

I don't think not posting odds would prevent any of that though. People are still gonna discuss what they think is gonna do well and certain songs are still going to get more hype than others which may or may not influence people's voting. IMO if a song is seen as good enough to get good odds then it surely deserves any help it gets from that? People don't just pick songs to hype out of thin air.

 

(Also at the end of the day does it really matter that much? Odds are just a bit of harmless fun to make BJSC a bit more involved than just listening to some songs, so what if it affects the results a bit (which I don't think it does to any great extent anyway)).

It works both ways though. There's always roughly the same proportion of songs that are predicted to flop but shock through and are predicted to be hits but struggle come the final tally (like, for instance, the poor underappreciated 'I'm Not Your Hero').

I know that it's a (small) problem that can't really be resolved, I was just putting my point across as I know that, regrettably, I've been interested in seeing the hype on the odd occasion.

I understand exactly what y'all are saying and I do agree with it to some extent.

 

Odds don't influence myself when voting - a lot of songs that are usually predicted to do well usually flop (poor Lune, Tiesto and Iida) :(

Bitch, cry me a river. Both technically hits.

I've been a victim of being over-predicted by the odds many times and I don't really care at all, it is fun to predict what may do well and for every song which I give an extra chance because of its high odds there's another whose hype I rail against (because I don't like it), for every song at the bottom of the odds which is going to go ignored there's one which deserves far more than it's getting but is clearly going to fail.

 

Everyone has different opinions on what they think will do well and if everyone goes with their heart rather than just basing their odds off others you get a more complete picture with different songs hyped (when there isn't something obviously going to storm the contest).

 

Whoring out your potentials is another matter entirely for me, as that's pretty much giving a song an advantage when the rest of the field hasn't been revealed and it's something I always try and limit for my own entries.

Odds don't really influence my opinion much, if I don't like/get a song at the top of the odds, I won't vote for it, and I give it as much time as every song. I would hope that's the same for everyone, admittedly I do tend to support the songs that I really like that are getting really low odds but that's just another form of 'HYPE' per se.

 

I don't have a problem with odds, maybe because I've not been a victim of being overhyped :lol: (except poor Flyway). It would be kinda nice to have a contest without them just so things aren't so clear come final time. It's one of the reasons why I like Unknown Pleasures, I'm never clear who's gonna win.

Edited March 30, 201411 yr by Chez Wombat

Odds don't really influence my opinion at all, if I don't like/get a song at the top of the odds, I won't vote for it, and I give it as much time as every song. I would hope that's the same for everyone, admittedly I do tend to support the songs that I really like that are getting really low odds but that's just another form of 'HYPE' per se.

 

I don't have a problem with odds, maybe because I've not been a victim of being overhyped :lol: (except poor Flyway). It would be kinda nice to have a contest without them just so things aren't so clear come final time. It's one of the reasons why I like Unknown Pleasures, I'm never clear who's gonna win.

I think UP just hasn't really been running long enough, plus the member base constantly changes. And you never know how much changes in those ~3 months since the last UP so it makes it harder to predict the results as well.

i think it would be silly to say odds affect success in any MAJOR way, because i personally haven't seen any patterns stick out at all over the 20 contests that i've been in. i've seen hype build for songs but that isn't in correlation with odds (and that's by people who LOVE the songs, so they'd already made up their mind beforehand). it will give people expectations of a song, but very often that expectation is shattered (even if just by several places). it's only guesswork. most people also base odds off of internet hype for a song / buzzjack hype / previous form because that's all they have to go on - how are you gonna make 50 spot on decisions from just listening to it when taste is subjective? it makes it even MORE skewed because a few times that's been shown to actually not be true. the votes don't chase the odds, the odds more than often chase the votes instead when hype seems to build. i actually find them to be secondary most times :o

i think it would be silly to say odds affect success in any MAJOR way, because i personally haven't seen any patterns stick out at all over the 20 contests that i've been in. i've seen hype build for songs (but that's by people who LOVE the songs, so they'd already made up their mind beforehand). it will give people expectations of a song, but very often that expectation is shattered (even if just by several places). it's only guesswork. most people also base odds off of internet hype for a song / buzzjack hype / previous form because that's all they have to go on - how are you gonna make 50 spot on decisions from just listening to it when taste is subjective? it makes it even MORE skewed because a few times that's been shown to actually not be true. the votes don't chase the odds, the odds more than often chase the votes instead when hype seems to build. i actually find them to be secondary most times :o

INDEED.

 

And if we accept that odds don't directly affect the actual results (admittedly still arguably), you could simply just not come into the thread if you don't like the speculation!