The Sun, DailyMail etc has an EVEN BIGGER INFLUENCE, ESPECIALLY ON THE ELDERLY!!

 

My god the right wing have decimated the world.

 

Time for them to go.

 

Because that worked so well for France in the 1790's? :rolleyes:

Because that worked so well for France in the 1790's? :rolleyes:

I mean...esoteric a point though this is, are you really saying that the WAY FORWARD for France would've been for the Revolution to not happen?!

Edited January 9, 20187 yr by Qassändra

Because that worked so well for France in the 1790's? :rolleyes:

 

'Let them eat cake!' - words to start a revolution.

 

It worked out well in the end. Far better than if it had not happened?

'Let them eat cake!' - words to start a revolution.

 

Words that Marie Antoinette is never recorded to have ever uttered.

'Let them eat cake!' - words to start a revolution.

 

It worked out well in the end. Far better than if it had not happened?

 

...I think vid's referring more to the violent reactions associated with the Reign of Terror which, well, I ASSUME you weren't suggesting guillotining the right?

 

also thanks Brett for swiftly correcting one of the more annoying historical misconceptions.

Words that Marie Antoinette is never recorded to have ever uttered.

 

Well she was French, if she had said that I'm sure they'd have found it a bit odd that she'd suddenly started speaking English. :P

...I think vid's referring more to the violent reactions associated with the Reign of Terror which, well, I ASSUME you weren't suggesting guillotining the right?

 

Quite so - since the Civil War, Britain has avoided the revolutions that have blighted many other countries, because the Establishment has, however reluctantly, accepted that democratic change is preferable to the alternative.

 

Two of the best examples are the Great Reform Act 1832, and the Parliament Act of 1912.

 

Quite so - since the Civil War, Britain has avoided the revolutions that have blighted many other countries, because the Establishment has, however reluctantly, accepted that democratic change is preferable to the alternative.

 

Two of the best examples are the Great Reform Act 1832, and the Parliament Act of 1912.

 

Yes, we prefer our wars to be uncivil and with other nations or former colonies.

 

Boxer Rebellion ended 1901

Anglo-Aro War 1901–1902

Second Boer War ended 1902

World War I 1914–1918

Easter Rising 1916

Third Anglo Marri War 1917

Third Afghan War 1919

Irish War of Independence 1919–1921

World War II 1939–1945

Normandy landings 1944

Greek civil war 1946-47

Malayan Emergency 1948–1960

Korean War 1950–1953

Mau Mau Uprising 1952–1960

Vietnam War 1955–1975

Cypriot Independence 1955–1959

Suez Crisis 1956–1957

Brunei Revolt 1962–1966

Indonesia–Malaysia confrontation 1962-1966

Dhofar Rebellion 1962–1975

Aden Emergency 1963–1967

The Troubles 1968–1998

Operation Banner 1969–2007

Falklands War 1982

Gulf War 1990–1991

Yugoslav wars 1991–2001

Bosnian War 1992–1995

Kosovo War 1998–1999

 

Now I'm not suggesting all of these weren't necessary. I am suggesting we have a habit of getting involved in war. That applies to the 21st century, and also to previous centuries. One can understand local territorial disputes, but when one insists on invading and imposing and stealing resources all across the world then one has a tendancy to get involved in even more wars, and it's a habit we can't seem to break. Brexit should be very interesting in terms of how the UK is perceived worldwide in trading terms.

 

Bankers and weapons and Ed Sheeran mostly :teresa:

Yes, we prefer our wars to be uncivil and with other nations or former colonies.

 

<snip>

 

How did we get from internal politics to external?

 

Quite so - since the Civil War, Britain has avoided the revolutions that have blighted many other countries, because the Establishment has, however reluctantly, accepted that democratic change is preferable to the alternative.

 

Two of the best examples are the Great Reform Act 1832, and the Parliament Act of 1912.

The establishment's opposition to the Parliament Act 1911 (not 1912) went beyond mere "reluctance".

The establishment's opposition to the Parliament Act 1911 (not 1912) went beyond mere "reluctance".

 

Yes, but the point is that they *did* back down, rather than have Lloyd George create hundreds of new Peers to swamp the HoL.

 

How did we get from internal politics to external?

How did we get from topical polling to historical discussions on the French Revolution and the lack thereof in Uk political history? It wasn't me......

The Sun, DailyMail etc has an EVEN BIGGER INFLUENCE, ESPECIALLY ON THE ELDERLY!!

 

My god the right wing have decimated the world.

 

Time for them to go.

 

 

How did we get from topical polling to historical discussions on the French Revolution and the lack thereof in Uk political history? It wasn't me......

 

The above had something to do with it : 'Shia LeMuffQueef' seems unable to discuss the right-wing without descending into irrational hyperbole.

Yes, we prefer our wars to be uncivil and with other nations or former colonies.

 

Boxer Rebellion ended 1901

Anglo-Aro War 1901–1902

Second Boer War ended 1902

World War I 1914–1918

Easter Rising 1916

Third Anglo Marri War 1917

Third Afghan War 1919

Irish War of Independence 1919–1921

World War II 1939–1945

Normandy landings 1944

Greek civil war 1946-47

Malayan Emergency 1948–1960

Korean War 1950–1953

Mau Mau Uprising 1952–1960

Vietnam War 1955–1975

Cypriot Independence 1955–1959

Suez Crisis 1956–1957

Brunei Revolt 1962–1966

Indonesia–Malaysia confrontation 1962-1966

Dhofar Rebellion 1962–1975

Aden Emergency 1963–1967

The Troubles 1968–1998

Operation Banner 1969–2007

Falklands War 1982

Gulf War 1990–1991

Yugoslav wars 1991–2001

Bosnian War 1992–1995

Kosovo War 1998–1999

 

Now I'm not suggesting all of these weren't necessary. I am suggesting we have a habit of getting involved in war. That applies to the 21st century, and also to previous centuries. One can understand local territorial disputes, but when one insists on invading and imposing and stealing resources all across the world then one has a tendancy to get involved in even more wars, and it's a habit we can't seem to break. Brexit should be very interesting in terms of how the UK is perceived worldwide in trading terms.

 

Bankers and weapons and Ed Sheeran mostly :teresa:

 

Don't Middle East countries not trust it and call it the 'old fox'? I think trust will hamper a lot of deals.

The above had something to do with it : 'Shia LeMuffQueef' seems unable to discuss the right-wing without descending into irrational hyperbole.

 

You say hyperbole, I say fact.

You say hyperbole, I say fact.

 

But you use them as scapegoats for *everything*, but you recognise that that is wrong when Leavers do that about the EU... :blink:

New poll from Opinium:

 

CON 40% LAB 40% LDEM 6%

 

72% also believe Donald Trump is a risk to international stability; 71% think that he's untrustworthy. As for 'stable genius' - 44% believe he's less intelligent than the average person.

 

More here.. http://opinium.co.uk/political-polling-14t...ember-2017-2-2/

Edited January 14, 20187 yr by Doctor Blind

New poll from Opinium:

 

CON 40% LAB 40% LDEM 6%

More here.. http://opinium.co.uk/political-polling-14t...ember-2017-2-2/

 

That's for that, I'd forgotten to check for new ones recently.

 

Looking at the underlying data, I see the Lab/Con crossover age is around 50.

 

I found another one : https://yougov.co.uk/news/2018/01/11/voting...bour-41-7-8-ja/

Edited January 14, 20187 yr by vidcapper

YouGov/Times - 20th January 2018 - LINK

 

CON 41% (+1)

LAB 42% (+1)

LDEM 7% (−2)

 

YouGov’s regular voting intention poll for the Times has topline figures of CON 41%(+1), LAB 42%(+1), LDEM 7%(-2). Fieldwork was Tuesday to Wednesday and changs are from early January.

The regular tracking question on “Bregret” finds 45% of respondents saying Britain was right to vote for Brexit, 44% think it was wrong. This is the first time YouGov have found more people saying right than wrong since last August, though I would caution against reading much into that. On average this question has been showing about 2% more people thinking it was the wrong decision than the right decision, but normal sample variation from poll to poll (the “margin of error”) means that with figures that close random chance alone should produce the occassional poll with “right” ahead, even if public opinion is actually unchanged. As ever, don’t get too excited over one poll, and wait to see if it is reflected in other polls.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/ja...s-poll-suggests

 

NHS crisis is main worry for Conservative voters, poll suggests

 

More than 70% of Tory supporters worry about NHS, and fewer than 40% think health secretary should keep his job

 

Kevin Rawlinson

Mon 22 Jan 2018 07.00 GMT

 

The state of the NHS is the biggest single issue vexing Conservative voters, with more than seven in 10 citing it as a serious concern, and fewer than four in 10 believing the health secretary, Jeremy Hunt, should keep his job, a poll suggests.

 

However, while they were concerned about its administration, relatively few Tory supporters said those fears would put them off voting for the party at the next election.